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Post#521 » by bstein14 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:38 pm

Green feels like a multiple time all-star in this league for sure. He is going to be really really solid. Not sure yet who he best compares to but feels a bit like a young Latrell Spreewell type player. Spree was an athletic 6'5" guard who game into the league really strong before kind of going sideways. Early Spreewell was a 3 time all-star in his first 5 seasons and was a athletic 20/5/5 type player with good defense and solid three point shooting as well.
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Post#522 » by mattao313 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:40 pm

whitehops wrote:does anyone else get zach lavine vibes from jalen green?

Yup Lavine Beal type player imo, prolly can be better on defense than them
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Post#523 » by whitehops » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:54 pm

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whitehops wrote:does anyone else get zach lavine vibes from jalen green?

Yup Lavine Beal type player imo, prolly can be better on defense than them


agreed, he's obviously a great talent but hopefully he shows that he can be more of a playmaker. i think that's the big difference between guys like beal/lavine and the elite players.
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Post#524 » by MotownMadness » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:11 pm

That Oklahoma vs Oklahoma ST rematch on monday should be good
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Post#525 » by DetroitSho » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:55 pm

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ducler wrote:I still question his length to become a superstar. I think he will be good thought.

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I've seen this a couple times and don't fully understand the sentiment. Bradley Beal is just over 6'3 with a 6'8 wingspan. Does Green have even less length than that?

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I think hes 6'6 with like a 6'7 or 6'8 wingspan.
So he's taller and just as long as Beal with more athleticism. Not sure why he's being discounted for that.

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Post#526 » by zeebneeb » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:36 pm

whitehops wrote:does anyone else get zach lavine vibes from jalen green?
Green gives me the "pure 2 guard" vibe, so yes. Every few years there is a rookie who has that elite feel, but very, very few truly become that monster 2 gaurd.

It's more likely he becomes that 2nd teir so many become(Lavine, Beal, e.t.c)instead of the ones everyone hopes for(Bryant, Jordan).

Not to say you can't win with a Beal, or Lavine type as they are excellent all-star players, It's just I am really hoping the Pistons land at least the #3 pick so they have a great choice.

I honestly believe Cade and Green will be 1 and 2(not sure who goes first)so landing the #1 overall pick this year would be amazing, or the #2, but that seems unlikely.

A damn good 2 gaurd would be awesome next to Bey, and Grant. That would be 3 sure fire, top tier starters. A great damn start! (Assuming of course Grant is really what he has shown this year, and Bey really is this damn good)The wildcard is Hayes. Now if he pans out, well, damn.

We shall see though.
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Post#527 » by BJK1 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:04 pm

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Post#528 » by MotownMadness » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:12 pm

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Schmitz is a bit off, Green is actually shooting 3's at a 42% clip now
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Post#529 » by vic » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:32 pm

Jalen Green is definitely looking better and better.

It’s just difficult for me to put him over the top tier guys because guys like Jamal Crawford, Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal haven’t sniffed a championship yet.


Cade/Mobley/Kuminga all fit the mold and talent level of players that bring championships to a franchise. This draft is really that good.

Keep in mind, this is Kumingas senior year in high school. He’s not even a college freshman.

All in all, Green is is an exciting player, future all star for sure. This is just a great draft to have a high pick.

If we drafted 4 I’d take Jalen Green in a heartbeat
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Post#530 » by mattao313 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 1:52 am

vic wrote:Jalen Green is definitely looking better and better.

It’s just difficult for me to put him over the top tier guys because guys like Jamal Crawford, Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal haven’t sniffed a championship yet.


Cade/Mobley/Kuminga all fit the mold and talent level of players that bring championships to a franchise. This draft is really that good.

Keep in mind, this is Kumingas senior year in high school. He’s not even a college freshman.

All in all, Green is is an exciting player, future all star for sure. This is just a great draft to have a high pick.

If we drafted 4 I’d take Jalen Green in a heartbeat

I think green is better than Kuminga he kinda reminds me of Jeff Green. I respect you opinion tho cause a lot of the stuff you say about the draft seems to come true but I do question Mobley on the offensive end and will he be aggressive enough.

Cade is great but I still question his athleticism at the next level
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Post#531 » by Pharaoh » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:10 am

Would be concerned playing Hayes & Cade together for long stretches due to their lack of athleticism.

Hayes did look pretty sound defensively though so maybe he takes the tougher assignment until Cunningham works it out

With a guy like Green athleticism is not a issue at all! Question is if he ends up being nothing more than a scorer or if he can develop other aspects of his game

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Post#532 » by Pharaoh » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:44 am

Was anyone else aware that OKC gets the TWO best first round picks from their own, HOU & MIA.

Houston get the worst of those 3 but can swap it with Brooklyn lol

IF the Rockets land in the top 4 they keep their pick though.

So Minnesota & Houston have a load of incentive to tank like you couldn't imagine

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Post#533 » by vic » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:13 am

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vic wrote:Jalen Green is definitely looking better and better.

It’s just difficult for me to put him over the top tier guys because guys like Jamal Crawford, Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal haven’t sniffed a championship yet.


Cade/Mobley/Kuminga all fit the mold and talent level of players that bring championships to a franchise. This draft is really that good.

Keep in mind, this is Kumingas senior year in high school. He’s not even a college freshman.

All in all, Green is is an exciting player, future all star for sure. This is just a great draft to have a high pick.

If we drafted 4 I’d take Jalen Green in a heartbeat

I think green is better than Kuminga he kinda reminds me of Jeff Green. I respect you opinion tho cause a lot of the stuff you say about the draft seems to come true but I do question Mobley on the offensive end and will he be aggressive enough.

Cade is great but I still question his athleticism at the next level


Mobley definitely turns the O on & off but the Defense is always on so that's what you really need to build a winner.

The high level talents all do better in the NBA than expected. Some of The college coaches and team playing styles actually make players look worse.

Jaden Springer is another guy that could be better or just as good as Green
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Post#534 » by Piston Pete » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:43 pm

As good as Green has been on O over the last week or two.....has he shown any defensive ability?

Or is he going to just be another asset on only one half of the court type of player?

Cade is decent on D. Not great, but decent.

Suggs is good on the defensive side too. I still worry about him as far as level of competition. He’s only played a handful of games vs legit Div 1 competition.

Mobley is great on D and has shown potential on O
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Post#535 » by NYPiston » Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:17 pm

Piston Pete wrote:As good as Green has been on O over the last week or two.....has he shown any defensive ability?

Or is he going to just be another asset on only one half of the court type of player?

Cade is decent on D. Not great, but decent.

Suggs is good on the defensive side too. I still worry about him as far as level of competition. He’s only played a handful of games vs legit Div 1 competition.

Mobley is great on D and has shown potential on O


It's extremely rare to find a prospect with no weaknesses. Even Lebron had questions about his ability to hit an outside jumper consistently but I'll give my opinion on what each has to work on.

Id' say that Cunningham's biggest weakness is his lack of high end athleticism and ability to blow by defenders. His handle could be a little sloppy at times too. The rest of his game is very polished though, he's pretty much a lock to be a good starter at the very least because of his very high basketball IQ and ability to score in different ways.

Mobley's biggest weakness is his lack of assertiveness, this one concerns me the most because you either have that ability naturally or you don't.

Suggs outside shooting needs a lot of work but I love everything else about his game. He'd be #1 in this draft for me if he could shoot the 3 at a higher level, form is pretty good though.

Green's defense which could be troublesome at the next level because he will likely line up against opponents with more length but he does put the effort in from what I've seen in the G League. Offensive game has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft, he's more efficient than Anthony Edwards for example.

Kuminga's decision making. He has all the physical tools you'd want in an NBA wing, probably the best physical traits of any player in the draft, and has a great skillset but man does he make a lot of poor decisions with the ball. It's hard to tell if it's a lack of Basketball IQ or him simply being a rookie adjusting to the pro game and trying to do too much too fast.

I don't know if I see any top 5 player in the league level talents in this draft but all have franchise level talent. I'm really interested to see how the college kids do in the tournament, not that it would sway my opinion of any of them but it'll be fun to watch.
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Post#536 » by BJK1 » Tue Mar 2, 2021 1:33 am

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If the Pistons somehow fall out of the top 5, then is there a more Troy Weaver type of player than Scottie Barnes? He certainly needs to continue to develop as a scorer, but the kid is willing and able to defend pretty much any position on the floor. He was HS teammates with Cade Cunningham, so he played off the ball there, but Leonard Hamilton likes him as a playmaker, so he’s essentially playing PG at FSU. High character kid by all accounts, but he’s got the physical measurables at 6’9” and 225 lbs. with a 7’2” wingspan.
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Post#537 » by MotownMadness » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:43 am

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If the Pistons somehow fall out of the top 5, then is there a more Troy Weaver type of player than Scottie Barnes? He certainly needs to continue to develop as a scorer, but the kid is willing and able to defend pretty much any position on the floor. He was HS teammates with Cade Cunningham, so he played off the ball there, but Leonard Hamilton likes him as a playmaker, so he’s essentially playing PG at FSU. High character kid by all accounts, but he’s got the physical measurables at 6’9” and 225 lbs. with a 7’2” wingspan.

Draymond type potential?
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Post#538 » by BJK1 » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:17 am

I see more Ben Simmons like.
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Post#539 » by Piston Pete » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:22 am

Uh, let’s reign it in a little bit.

Simmons at LSU - 19 points, 12 Rebs, 5 Assists
Barnes - 10 points, 4 Rebs, 4 assists
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Post#540 » by BJK1 » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:31 am

Piston Pete wrote:Uh, let’s reign it in a little bit.

Simmons at LSU - 19 points, 12 Rebs, 5 Assists
Barnes - 10 points, 4 Rebs, 4 assists

Relax. Not saying they’re the same guy. Comparing style of play. And remember that Hamilton keeps minutes down at FSU.

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