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jars wrote:A_dub06 wrote:jars wrote:How many rookies who play reasonably high minutes are great shooters in their first year on decent volume? The average NBA 3pt% was 36.6% this year. Only Brandon Miller (37.3% on 6.7 attempts), Chet (37.0% on 4.3 attempts), Podziemski (38.5 on 3.2 attempts), Sasser (37.5 on 3.4 attempts) and Wallace (41.9 on 2.9 attempts) were higher than the league average as rotation guys.
I get this feeling that people on our board think a rookie is going to come in and fix the shooting problems next year which impacts who they want to draft. We need to be projecting for 3-4 years down the line.
In this draft, all players have question marks, but Buzelis has good form on the shot and wasn't just standing in the corner waiting to shoot most of the time. His ignite percentages are somewhat worrisome, especially considering he was less than 70% from the free throw line. He looked comfortable with the ball in his hands and attacked the rim at the right time. He was an active defender at times and his length and size are good, if a bit skinny right now. Overall, he gives me Franz Wagner vibes in that I think he is going to be a solid all around guy who is comfortable doing most things, but is going to be a bit streaky with his shooting. I actually think he might be an ideal match offensively with Cade as he is a decent ball handler and passer if his shooting comes on.
Not looking for him to be a “saviour” like you claim, but if he’s not already shooting league average what’s he actually projecting as? His biggest strength is supposed to be shooting and I’ll admit his stroke looks really clean but looking at it whilst considering his free throw percentage is worrying. It’s the same thing With Zac, supposed to be able to shoot 3’s but shoots free throws poorly. I can’t think of a good 3pt shooter who’s bad at the line
I think my point wasn't clear. I'm not claiming that people think our pick needs to be our saviour, nor do I think Buzelis is going to be a knockdown shooter. I'm saying that I think our need for good shooters is clouding the perception of players and how they fit with our team long term. I'm just out on drafting a guy for need (shooting in our case) in the top 10 unless they are pretty close to BPA, especially when 3pt shooting is not something that traditionally translates well in the NBA over their first few years.
Yes, the player we take needs to project as an above average shooter regardless of roster because thats how the NBA works now. I think Buzelis can be a slightly above average 3pt shooter, but I doubt he becomes a knockdown shooter. I think his actual strength isn't shooting, its his all around game and versatility. Most years I wouldn't want to draft him at 5 either, but I don't see more than 5 guys in this draft that I like more than him right now. I hope that changes...
A_dub06 wrote:MotownMadness wrote:Starting to like Buzelis the more i watch
His strength is supposed to be shooting but he can’t shoot. Seen this playbook too many times before
A_dub06 wrote:MotownMadness wrote:Starting to like Buzelis the more i watch
His strength is supposed to be shooting but he can’t shoot. Seen this playbook too many times before
A_dub06 wrote:jars wrote:A_dub06 wrote:
Not looking for him to be a “saviour” like you claim, but if he’s not already shooting league average what’s he actually projecting as? His biggest strength is supposed to be shooting and I’ll admit his stroke looks really clean but looking at it whilst considering his free throw percentage is worrying. It’s the same thing With Zac, supposed to be able to shoot 3’s but shoots free throws poorly. I can’t think of a good 3pt shooter who’s bad at the line
I think my point wasn't clear. I'm not claiming that people think our pick needs to be our saviour, nor do I think Buzelis is going to be a knockdown shooter. I'm saying that I think our need for good shooters is clouding the perception of players and how they fit with our team long term. I'm just out on drafting a guy for need (shooting in our case) in the top 10 unless they are pretty close to BPA, especially when 3pt shooting is not something that traditionally translates well in the NBA over their first few years.
Yes, the player we take needs to project as an above average shooter regardless of roster because thats how the NBA works now. I think Buzelis can be a slightly above average 3pt shooter, but I doubt he becomes a knockdown shooter. I think his actual strength isn't shooting, its his all around game and versatility. Most years I wouldn't want to draft him at 5 either, but I don't see more than 5 guys in this draft that I like more than him right now. I hope that changes...
Yeah I know but you were eluding to him eventually being a knock down shooter by making the statement that rookies don’t generally come in as good shooters, which is what would make me really nervous because good shooters on college or G-league usually translate to at least being good shooters in the league. Not necessary snipers but decent shooters and if Matas doesn’t become a good shooter I think his entire appeal falls apart.
For the record, I wouldn’t be pissed if we took him I’d just consider it riskier. At this point I’d prefer to package Duren with our pick or Ivey to try and trade up to #2 if Sarr is available and get him. Sarr shot a slightly better % but was also from the Fiba line so would need to take with a grain of salt. Realistically, we will probably be picking 5th since the 5th won’t hold much value and matas is the most likely available player at the spot.
How about trading for Houstons pick, while keeping the 5th?theBigLip wrote:A_dub06 wrote:jars wrote:I think my point wasn't clear. I'm not claiming that people think our pick needs to be our saviour, nor do I think Buzelis is going to be a knockdown shooter. I'm saying that I think our need for good shooters is clouding the perception of players and how they fit with our team long term. I'm just out on drafting a guy for need (shooting in our case) in the top 10 unless they are pretty close to BPA, especially when 3pt shooting is not something that traditionally translates well in the NBA over their first few years.
Yes, the player we take needs to project as an above average shooter regardless of roster because thats how the NBA works now. I think Buzelis can be a slightly above average 3pt shooter, but I doubt he becomes a knockdown shooter. I think his actual strength isn't shooting, its his all around game and versatility. Most years I wouldn't want to draft him at 5 either, but I don't see more than 5 guys in this draft that I like more than him right now. I hope that changes...
Yeah I know but you were eluding to him eventually being a knock down shooter by making the statement that rookies don’t generally come in as good shooters, which is what would make me really nervous because good shooters on college or G-league usually translate to at least being good shooters in the league. Not necessary snipers but decent shooters and if Matas doesn’t become a good shooter I think his entire appeal falls apart.
For the record, I wouldn’t be pissed if we took him I’d just consider it riskier. At this point I’d prefer to package Duren with our pick or Ivey to try and trade up to #2 if Sarr is available and get him. Sarr shot a slightly better % but was also from the Fiba line so would need to take with a grain of salt. Realistically, we will probably be picking 5th since the 5th won’t hold much value and matas is the most likely available player at the spot.
Ivey or Duren would be drafted ahead of, or very close behind Sarrs in this draft. Trading one of them plus our pick to get Sarrs would be a serious overpay.
ComboGuardCity wrote:A pipe dream is if we move our pick, Ivey and Stewart for Dejounte and Ingram.
I think the hawks are about to trade all their pieces.
bstein14 wrote:Here's 5 completely made up draft day trades... which ones do you say yes to?
#1.> Rockets trade #3 pick to Detroit for Ausar Thompson + Marcus Sasser
#2.> Hawks trade Trae Young to Detroit for #5, Jaden Ivey, and Isiah Stewart
#3.> OKC trades #12 + Josh Giddey to Detroit for #5
#4.> Chicago trades #11 and Caruso to Detroit for #5 and Ivey
#5.> Portland trades #14 + Jerami Grant to Detroit for #5 and Marcus Sasser
bstein14 wrote:Here's 5 completely made up draft day trades... which ones do you say yes to?
#1.> Rockets trade #3 pick to Detroit for Ausar Thompson + Marcus Sasser
#2.> Hawks trade Trae Young to Detroit for #5, Jaden Ivey, and Isiah Stewart
#3.> OKC trades #12 + Josh Giddey to Detroit for #5
#4.> Chicago trades #11 and Caruso to Detroit for #5 and Ivey
#5.> Portland trades #14 + Jerami Grant to Detroit for #5 and Marcus Sasser
bstein14 wrote:Here's 5 completely made up draft day trades... which ones do you say yes to?
#1.> Rockets trade #3 pick to Detroit for Ausar Thompson + Marcus Sasser
#2.> Hawks trade Trae Young to Detroit for #5, Jaden Ivey, and Isiah Stewart
#3.> OKC trades #12 + Josh Giddey to Detroit for #5
#4.> Chicago trades #11 and Caruso to Detroit for #5 and Ivey
#5.> Portland trades #14 + Jerami Grant to Detroit for #5 and Marcus Sasser
bstein14 wrote:Here's 5 completely made up draft day trades... which ones do you say yes to?
#1.> Rockets trade #3 pick to Detroit for Ausar Thompson + Marcus Sasser
#2.> Hawks trade Trae Young to Detroit for #5, Jaden Ivey, and Isiah Stewart
#3.> OKC trades #12 + Josh Giddey to Detroit for #5
#4.> Chicago trades #11 and Caruso to Detroit for #5 and Ivey
#5.> Portland trades #14 + Jerami Grant to Detroit for #5 and Marcus Sasser