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[Snakebites]

Just as a reminder to fellow Pistons fans to be wary of the general board, in an absolutely absurd event, I was recently suspended from the general board by a moderator who didn't quite understand what "you could have at least opened another Web page and done a quick fact check before you stuck a size 13 into your gaping maw" meant (it says in fancy language "you put your foot in your mouth") and it's made even worse because even after I explained it it was upheld (just absurd) the fact that I didn't even directly respond to the poster in question but to another poster who called him "mister Michigan"(great line) and I was called a "douche" by the poster and even though my sentence that contained nothing inappropriate was deleted his comment calling me a douche remains.

Be wary of the general board and it's horrible moderators Piston fans.

Also, appreciate the mods we have here, as they are the best, most relaxed, and least itchy trigger fingers on RealGM.

hey zeeb

I would suggest perusal of the latest 'mass dispatch' section on calling out mods on the forums. I would also strongly suggest you edit the follow up post you made on the GB.

Your best bet if an issue arises is to PM mod and discuss the issue and hopefully resolve things that way.

If you need assistance with another board's mod... PM one of the board's mods as we (I may not be part of that "we" much longer though ) may be able to help sort things out - roc

Yeah, for the most part its best not to publicly call out mods, though I do give zeeb credit for at least not mentioning the mod by name in this instance. Still best to err on the side of caution whenever publicly discussing mod actions- best not to do so in general actually.

I'll never pretend to agree with everything done on other boards, but the reality here is that every board has its own climate and its own set of norms, and on the General Board a combination of high volume and high volatility of a large number of posters has created an atmosphere where benefit of the doubt is very rarely given. The general board is probably as different from this board in every regard as it is possible to be, and it can be a bit of a culture shock for our posters over there for that reason.

r0c's suggestions are all solid.

[mattao313]

Geez John Wall is an Idiot.

Now that you have your money you got to go out there and improve your game. I want you to be an All-Star just as much as I’m an All-Star. If we were playing well as a tandem like the other two superstars that play together as a backcourt, play as a tandem, one night it’s going to be his night, one night it’s going to be mine, some nights it might be both of us. Those are nights it’s going to be tough to beat us.

I want it all to be on me. At the same time I want him to be right there with me. He’s my sidekick. I’m A. He’s A-1. He’s right there," Wall said. "That’s something we got to do on the first day of training camp. We have to go in there and understand and get on the same page.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243180/John-Wall-Bradley-Beal-And-I-Have-A-Tendency-To-Dislike-Each-Other-On-Court

[Pharaoh]

Geez John Wall is an Idiot.

Now that you have your money you got to go out there and improve your game. I want you to be an All-Star just as much as I’m an All-Star. If we were playing well as a tandem like the other two superstars that play together as a backcourt, play as a tandem, one night it’s going to be his night, one night it’s going to be mine, some nights it might be both of us. Those are nights it’s going to be tough to beat us.

I want it all to be on me. At the same time I want him to be right there with me. He’s my sidekick. I’m A. He’s A-1. He’s right there," Wall said. "That’s something we got to do on the first day of training camp. We have to go in there and understand and get on the same page.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243180/John-Wall-Bradley-Beal-And-I-Have-A-Tendency-To-Dislike-Each-Other-On-Court

IMO Wall doesn't know that what he said could be taken in a bad way.

Leaders have to be mindful of crossing an imaginary line...he wasn't and in the minds of many he crossed it.

That doesn't mean that he's wrong or what he said was out of line - perception is a weird beast

[Snakebites]

I see in that quote some implicit bitterness on Wall's part over the contracts players are getting now.

He signed a long term deal shortly before everyone realized the cap was going to explode, and now he sees players he perceives as being lesser getting more money than him. We saw it with his response to Reggie's deal too.

[DBC10]

Problem with Wall is, he does have a semblance of a point. Beal doesn't deserve to have his "Alpha" mentality when the guy has never ever been healthy to fully prove himself. Now he's demanding a Drummond Max level contract and with it comes the responsibility of a leader now that he would be the highest paid player on the WIz. Wall is a natural leader both on and off court, it's understandable he doesn't want to relinquish that role to Beal aka the modern Eric Gordon.

I don't think it's necessarily about the money per se, but the way they don't seem to mesh well on court at times.

[bwgood77]

From Kevin Pelton:

4. Detroit Pistons
Projected wins: 47.5

While most of the East's middle class took a step backward this offseason, the Pistons should improve by virtue of upgrading at backup point guard and center, and RPM sees them as the third team in a tier with Boston and Toronto.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/17375776/projected-records-win-totals-standings-every-nba-team-2016-17-season

More of list on Suns forum offseason thread.

[mattao313]

Problem with Wall is, he does have a semblance of a point. Beal doesn't deserve to have his "Alpha" mentality when the guy has never ever been healthy to fully prove himself. Now he's demanding a Drummond Max level contract and with it comes the responsibility of a leader now that he would be the highest paid player on the WIz. Wall is a natural leader both on and off court, it's understandable he doesn't want to relinquish that role to Beal aka the modern Eric Gordon.

I don't think it's necessarily about the money per se, but the way they don't seem to mesh well on court at times.

Wall may have a point but how he said it was just bad especially if the two of them have some problems with each other. Why say something about the guys contact and call him a sidekick and say it to the media, that make his leadership kinda suspect imo.

[zeebneeb]

From Kevin Pelton:

4. Detroit Pistons
Projected wins: 47.5

While most of the East's middle class took a step backward this offseason, the Pistons should improve by virtue of upgrading at backup point guard and center, and RPM sees them as the third team in a tier with Boston and Toronto.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/17375776/projected-records-win-totals-standings-every-nba-team-2016-17-season

More of list on Suns forum offseason thread.

Thanks for posting, and it was a good read. This is exactly where I have stated multiple times I place the Pistons. Right in the "just below" the Cavs in the East slot. The only thing I think is wrong, and it's for the entire list, is the amount of wins for each team. I understand the formula but it tends to lean a little on the conservative side.

Last years East was very even but this year as this list indicates, there will be some separation and better teams (Raps, Celts, and Pistons) will be clearly above the rest. (Cavs go without saying)

I still haven't decided to post my predictions yet, but like I said before, if the Pistons don't hit 50 wins this year (I'll do 49 and feel about the same) it will be a failure. I know that sounds harsh, but they are a deep team (great bench pickups) and they have consistency in the starting group something that has a huge impact on an NBA team.

I am incredibly soft on Indiana but George to me, is a legitimate NBA superstar. That guy is incredible and could elevate his team in the regular season by almost 10 wins by himself I think he's that good. I am 50/50 on Teague. I think he's a better player then Hill, but I'm not sure he fits with Indiana better then Hill if that makes sense.

If George gets injured and sits for more then 10 games, Indiana is boned.

Also, if Memphis is as bad as indicated, that Conley contract (it's just horrid) will go down as the worst of all time, plain and simple.

[bwgood77]

I think Leuer is a lot better than people think he is or expect him to be. He does all the little things, and just plays solid defense, takes shots when open, makes the right pass, etc. He will be a very nice bench player.

[zeebneeb]

I think Leuer is a lot better than people think he is or expect him to be. He does all the little things, and just plays solid defense, takes shots when open, makes the right pass, etc. He will be a very nice bench player.

I agree, but it obviously sounds better coming from you, a Suns fan. He is replacing Tolliver, who you are also familiar with, so you know just how huge of an upgrade that is.

I've watched about 20 Suns games in their entirety since Leuer's arrival and not only is his shot just flat out better, he does everything that Tolliver just didn't do.

It's the same reason I said he is the biggest signing of the offseason. He is such a massive upgrade over Tolliver and piece added to our bench, I think it's going to surprise some people and he'll play more minutes then most expect.

Thanks for the link, and the insight.

[bwgood77]

I think Leuer is a lot better than people think he is or expect him to be. He does all the little things, and just plays solid defense, takes shots when open, makes the right pass, etc. He will be a very nice bench player.

I agree, but it obviously sounds better coming from you, a Suns fan. He is replacing Tolliver, who you are also familiar with, so you know just how huge of an upgrade that is.

I've watched about 20 Suns games in their entirety since Leuer's arrival and not only is his shot just flat out better, he does everything that Tolliver just didn't do.

It's the same reason I said he is the biggest signing of the offseason. He is such a massive upgrade over Tolliver and piece added to our bench, I think it's going to surprise some people and he'll play more minutes then most expect.

Thanks for the link, and the insight.

Oh yeah, Tolliver blows. I mean Leuer is seriously 10x better.

[DBC10]

Leuer is basically what we wanted out of Monroe back when he needed to space the floor. So I'm glad we have him over Tolliver and he's also friendly with the analytics guys too which I'm always on the side of.

[DBC10]

Problem with Wall is, he does have a semblance of a point. Beal doesn't deserve to have his "Alpha" mentality when the guy has never ever been healthy to fully prove himself. Now he's demanding a Drummond Max level contract and with it comes the responsibility of a leader now that he would be the highest paid player on the WIz. Wall is a natural leader both on and off court, it's understandable he doesn't want to relinquish that role to Beal aka the modern Eric Gordon.

I don't think it's necessarily about the money per se, but the way they don't seem to mesh well on court at times.

Wall may have a point but how he said it was just bad especially if the two of them have some problems with each other. Why say something about the guys contact and call him a sidekick and say it to the media, that make his leadership kinda suspect imo.

Oh, you're definitely right, but I can sympathize with Wall and where he's coming off, even though it was badly said. He's the leader of the Wizards and that was probably a way for Wall to assert his leadership while also giving Beal props too. He said he was his 1A after all, just in a bad way.

[Cowology]

If he didn't use the word sidekick this wouldn't be a big deal. Super bad choice given their rocky relationship.

[mattao313]

More on John Wall:

One league source familiar with Wall’s state of mind simply put it this way: “Wall’s got jealousy issues. He’s always upset with someone who makes more money than him.” A lot of players will make more money than Wall this year. He signed a five-year, $84.8 million deal in 2013, which looks like chump change now.

If Harden’s contract was irritating, just imagine how Wall felt when Beal signed for a five-year max contract worth $127.2 million, tied for the fourth-most-valuable contract in the NBA. An agent described it to me like this: “Whatever is public, multiply it by five and that’s how they really feel about each other. It’s probably a total disaster.”

https://theringer.com/washington-wizards-john-wall-bradley-beal-6124b39352a1#.tjc2hpcmj

This guy is a diva

[tmorgan]

Wall and his Kentucky homie Cousins are both divas. Those two are unlikely to win anything of significance.

[Blkbrd671]

I think Leuer is a lot better than people think he is or expect him to be. He does all the little things, and just plays solid defense, takes shots when open, makes the right pass, etc. He will be a very nice bench player.

i think he may actually push Harris for starting PF because of his length. I think in the end it'll depend on the match up for the night, and Harris's offensive versatility may win out

[bwgood77]

I think Leuer is a lot better than people think he is or expect him to be. He does all the little things, and just plays solid defense, takes shots when open, makes the right pass, etc. He will be a very nice bench player.

i think he may actually push Harris for starting PF because of his length. I think in the end it'll depend on the match up for the night, and Harris's offensive versatility may win out

He was without a doubt our best all around starting PF last year, unless Mirza Teletovic was hot from 3. But that's not saying much, considering how good we were. But I certainly wanted the Suns to bring him back...see posts...

viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1460822&start=5#start_here

viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1458723&start=233#start_here

[kurtis48239]

If you go on Washington's board and read 1 of the 2 pages they got going,those fans are definitely not happy with real or his contract and they are ready for wall to quit bitching and lead that team.

[BadMofoPimp]

Just as a reminder to fellow Pistons fans to be wary of the general board, in an absolutely absurd event, I was recently suspended from the general board by a moderator who didn't quite understand what "you could have at least opened another Web page and done a quick fact check before you stuck a size 13 into your gaping maw" meant (it says in fancy language "you put your foot in your mouth") and it's made even worse because even after I explained it it was upheld (just absurd) the fact that I didn't even directly respond to the poster in question but to another poster who called him "mister Michigan"(great line) and I was called a "douche" by the poster and even though my sentence that contained nothing inappropriate was deleted his comment calling me a douche remains.

Be wary of the general board and it's horrible moderators Piston fans.

Also, appreciate the mods we have here, as they are the best, most relaxed, and least itchy trigger fingers on RealGM.

hey zeeb

I would suggest perusal of the latest 'mass dispatch' section on calling out mods on the forums. I would also strongly suggest you edit the follow up post you made on the GB.

Your best bet if an issue arises is to PM mod and discuss the issue and hopefully resolve things that way.

If you need assistance with another board's mod... PM one of the board's mods as we (I may not be part of that "we" much longer though ) may be able to help sort things out - roc

Yeah, for the most part its best not to publicly call out mods, though I do give zeeb credit for at least not mentioning the mod by name in this instance. Still best to err on the side of caution whenever publicly discussing mod actions- best not to do so in general actually.

I'll never pretend to agree with everything done on other boards, but the reality here is that every board has its own climate and its own set of norms, and on the General Board a combination of high volume and high volatility of a large number of posters has created an atmosphere where benefit of the doubt is very rarely given. The general board is probably as different from this board in every regard as it is possible to be, and it can be a bit of a culture shock for our posters over there for that reason.

r0c's suggestions are all solid.

It is quite futile to argue with Mods. One time a newly appointed mod on a board who hated my guts started banning me for weak arguments of which I produced numerous facts including other posters post which were much more harrassing to HoMass displaying these travesties to find that Mass will always side with the mods just about no matter what. Another time when a newly appointed Mod started targeting me out of past personal hatred so I just started PM'n that mod and we eventually came to an agreement and have had no issues since and get along now.

But, I find that it is never wise to publicly challenge a mod, but best to just have private message discussions or arguments. Nobody likes to lose face in a public forum regardless who is right or wrong.