2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

[Pharaoh]

You're assuming teams are calling us up offering something of value for Plumlee and Wright...

Like what?

What salary filler would be acceptable to you?

What picks and/or prospects would you deem valuable enough for our guys?

I'm not going back and looking through every year of mocks but I'm fairly certain off the top of my head 2014 was fairly close from the a month into the NCAA season on what guys were going in the top6 or 7 picks. Sure alot of seasons dont even have a true number 1 guy so its different.

Regardless its pretty obv this is different then other seasons. One of the best draft experts is saying its one of the best top 5 hes seen in 20 years. I wouldnt bet against him being wrong on this.

For sure its important to be one of the bottom 3 teams to have the highest % chances at a top 4 pick. I think Weaver knows this and will make moves accordingly. I am not sure you gut the entire team down so far that we can't possibly win 5 more games this season, but I do think he'll make certain we finish bottom 3.

Its actually not about having the highest chance at a top 4 pick. Its about being the team that cant drop from the 5 pick. If we can out tank the Wolves and finish worst no matter how the ball drops we are locked into pick 5 in what is looking like a 5 player draft.

I don't see why trading guys like Plumlee/Wright/Ellington matters these guys arent in long-term plans. These are the type of players tanking teams move for assets that will be used in the future. I've been seeing some rumors pop up so I imagine Weaver is smart and realizes we don't need them for a tank season.

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[Pharaoh]

FYI there next top 5 according to ESPN:

Keon Johnson
Corey Kispert
Isaiah Jackson
Jalen Johnson
James Bouknight

Moody, Wagner & Barnes are 11 through 13


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[buzzkilloton]

You're assuming teams are calling us up offering something of value for Plumlee and Wright...

Like what?

What salary filler would be acceptable to you?

What picks and/or prospects would you deem valuable enough for our guys?

For sure its important to be one of the bottom 3 teams to have the highest % chances at a top 4 pick. I think Weaver knows this and will make moves accordingly. I am not sure you gut the entire team down so far that we can't possibly win 5 more games this season, but I do think he'll make certain we finish bottom 3.

Its actually not about having the highest chance at a top 4 pick. Its about being the team that cant drop from the 5 pick. If we can out tank the Wolves and finish worst no matter how the ball drops we are locked into pick 5 in what is looking like a 5 player draft.

I don't see why trading guys like Plumlee/Wright/Ellington matters these guys arent in long-term plans. These are the type of players tanking teams move for assets that will be used in the future. I've been seeing some rumors pop up so I imagine Weaver is smart and realizes we don't need them for a tank season.

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I don't know what the exact offers are. I just know interest is out there. I'll take best available offer for any of them. Anything that produces more losses the rest the way is a + move in my book.

"The 10-26 Pistons own the worst record in the East and may be looking to make some roster changes, according to James L. Edwards III and John Hollinger of The Athletic. Opposing clubs have apparently been interested in acquiring Delon Wright, Wayne Ellington, and Mason Plumlee, all players Detroit could be amenable to moving. The Athletic writers speculate on potential deals for those players."

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/detroit-pistons

[Pharaoh]

Rumours are rumours though.

Considering the contracts of Plumlee and Wright I'd want:

Expiring or soon to be expiring deals, no additional salary being next season.

Also and more importantly:

I'd get a first for each of them, or at the very least a prospect above the DSJ level - at least one guy who actually looks like he could be a long term piece on a good team.

You're assuming teams are calling us up offering something of value for Plumlee and Wright...

Like what?

What salary filler would be acceptable to you?

What picks and/or prospects would you deem valuable enough for our guys?

Its actually not about having the highest chance at a top 4 pick. Its about being the team that cant drop from the 5 pick. If we can out tank the Wolves and finish worst no matter how the ball drops we are locked into pick 5 in what is looking like a 5 player draft.

I don't see why trading guys like Plumlee/Wright/Ellington matters these guys arent in long-term plans. These are the type of players tanking teams move for assets that will be used in the future. I've been seeing some rumors pop up so I imagine Weaver is smart and realizes we don't need them for a tank season.

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I don't know what the exact offers are. I just know interest is out there. I'll take best available offer for any of them. Anything that produces more losses the rest the way is a + move in my book.

"The 10-26 Pistons own the worst record in the East and may be looking to make some roster changes, according to James L. Edwards III and John Hollinger of The Athletic. Opposing clubs have apparently been interested in acquiring Delon Wright, Wayne Ellington, and Mason Plumlee, all players Detroit could be amenable to moving. The Athletic writers speculate on potential deals for those players."

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/detroit-pistons

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[Canadafan]

My dad, he used to collect older cars, and he had a 1966 Monte Carlo that he was restoring. Before he passed, I would go out there and talk with him. He said, ‘You can only restore something that is great.’ That stuck with me.

“There’s been greatness in Detroit. Three championships. That’s why I wanted to use it. No slight to what I’m about to say, but the Timberwolves can’t restore. They don’t have three championships. They don’t have the greatness. The Atlanta Hawks can’t restore. The Detroit Pistons can restore. We want to restore greatness back in the franchise.”

I like this quote from Weaver

[zeebneeb]

My dad, he used to collect older cars, and he had a 1966 Monte Carlo that he was restoring. Before he passed, I would go out there and talk with him. He said, ‘You can only restore something that is great.’ That stuck with me.

“There’s been greatness in Detroit. Three championships. That’s why I wanted to use it. No slight to what I’m about to say, but the Timberwolves can’t restore. They don’t have three championships. They don’t have the greatness. The Atlanta Hawks can’t restore. The Detroit Pistons can restore. We want to restore greatness back in the franchise.”

I like this quote from Weaver

It is a good quote no doubt.

[Manocad]

My dad, he used to collect older cars, and he had a 1966 Monte Carlo that he was restoring. Before he passed, I would go out there and talk with him. He said, ‘You can only restore something that is great.’ That stuck with me.

“There’s been greatness in Detroit. Three championships. That’s why I wanted to use it. No slight to what I’m about to say, but the Timberwolves can’t restore. They don’t have three championships. They don’t have the greatness. The Atlanta Hawks can’t restore. The Detroit Pistons can restore. We want to restore greatness back in the franchise.”

I like this quote from Weaver

It is a good quote no doubt.

Other than the fact that the Chevrolet Monte Carlo didn't exist until 1970

But yeah, the point is valid

[Piston Pete]

I might be in the minority, but I wouldn’t touch Wagner anywhere inside the top-15

[Pharaoh]

Great quote and gives some insight into why he deliberately chose the word restore as opposed to rebuild or retool

My dad, he used to collect older cars, and he had a 1966 Monte Carlo that he was restoring. Before he passed, I would go out there and talk with him. He said, ‘You can only restore something that is great.’ That stuck with me.

“There’s been greatness in Detroit. Three championships. That’s why I wanted to use it. No slight to what I’m about to say, but the Timberwolves can’t restore. They don’t have three championships. They don’t have the greatness. The Atlanta Hawks can’t restore. The Detroit Pistons can restore. We want to restore greatness back in the franchise.”

I like this quote from Weaver

It is a good quote no doubt.

Other than the fact that the Chevrolet Monte Carlo didn't exist until 1970

But yeah, the point is valid

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[BJK1]

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[DNice68]

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He can dominate both sides of the ball!

[tmorgan]

Yeah, I’m a Michigan guy (go Juwan! Nice job!), and i certainly don’t see Franz Wagner as a lottery pick. That’s crazy.

[MotownMadness]

Yeah, I’m a Michigan guy (go Juwan! Nice job!), and i certainly don’t see Franz Wagner as a lottery pick. That’s crazy.

Sure he is, can do a little bit of everything on both sides of the ball at the W/F position. Just not much safer picks at the back of the lottery that are better.

[MotownMadness]

Mobley looking good again, must know scouts are starting to talk about his aggressiveness.

[zeebneeb]

I can see why people are excited about Mobley, but I read concerns about his passive nature and I'm sorry but if there is even a hint of passive, low motor, not engaged, I'm running away screaming after the Drummond experiment.

If the Pistons fall to the 6th pick, and he's available fine. No way in hell do I select him if I'm top 3. No way, no how.

[NYPiston]

Mobley looking good again, must know scouts are starting to talk about his aggressiveness.

Deservedly so. He fades into the background way too often and has a passive demeanor. Once he learns that he can be the best player on the court if he puts his mind to it, he'll hit another level, but until then it's a concern that due to lack of assertiveness that he'll never be a #1 go to option on a good team in the NBA. He did show flashes of aggressiveness last night but it's more the exception than the norm with him.

[BJK1]

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[MotownMadness]

Mobley looking good again, must know scouts are starting to talk about his aggressiveness.

Deservedly so. He fades into the background way too often and has a passive demeanor. Once he learns that he can be the best player on the court if he puts his mind to it, he'll hit another level, but until then it's a concern that due to lack of assertiveness that he'll never be a #1 go to option on a good team in the NBA. He did show flashes of aggressiveness last night but it's more the exception than the norm with him.

I think he will be more glue guy as a 3rd option type but still looks more promising and safer then some guys in that 10-14 range.

[MotownMadness]

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First time I seen Davion Mitchell play I had to check and see if it was Donovan Mitchell's brother. He looks like his size and also wears #45.

But yeah him and Butler are nice players and Baylor will probably wreck Oklahoma ST

[NYPiston]

I think he will be more glue guy as a 3rd option type but still looks more promising and safer then some guys in that 10-14 range.

Are you talking about Mobley being a 3rd option glue guy?
I'm not THAT down on him.