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Post #61 » by **Timmaytime** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:27 am

Since when did the Bulls have DJ Augustin?

Solid pickup for them

Clarity · Post #62 » by **Clarity** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:17 am

zeebneeb wrote:I knew we would eventually agree on something clarity. Sorry for my remark the other day btw, you just seem so....straight to the point it ruffles my feathers on occasion. I gotten used to your posting style now.

no worries my man..

Just try to be patient with these guys & if you have an opinion make sure you're basing it off facts more than emotion. Sports are emotional for us guys but perspective is so vital.

sc8581 · Post #63 » by **sc8581** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:40 pm

Clarity wrote:
sc8581 wrote:
Ideally you would like to have both but a team can survive without post-play and not without shooters. When was the last time a team won the championship without shooting because I can tell you a few that did it without post-play, including us 10 years ago.

Agree on ideally having both but anyone would take an inside out team like us or Memphis (when healthy) any day over a Clippers where their entire offense is shooting 20 footers.

Sheed gave us post play, matter fact we wouldnt have gotten to the 05 Finals without his scoring on the block in the 4th quarter of Game 7 vs Miami. The last 2 years Lebron gave the Heat that high % scoring, its why he came up short in 2011, its not conicidence that Miami took that next step when Lebron got a post game. Dirk gave the Mavs that block scoring in 2011, Pau with the Lakers repeats, both Pierce & KG got Boston high % looks in 2008, Duncan obviously doesnt need to be stated, Shaq's Lakers etc.

The post season is all about getting easy baskets in a half court, slowed down offense, not about jump shooting.

All of those teams had a lot of shooters, even most of the post-players you mentioned are shooters. LeBron, Duncan, Gasol, Sheed to an extent, Garnett, Pierce and obviously Nowitzki, all shooters.

Clarity · Post #64 » by **Clarity** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:15 pm

sc8581 wrote:
All of those teams had a lot of shooters, even most of the post-players you mentioned are shooters. LeBron, Duncan, Gasol, Sheed to an extent, Garnett, Pierce and obviously Nowitzki, all shooters.

You arent getting the point we are all trying to get you to understand.

sc8581 · Post #65 » by **sc8581** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:57 pm

Clarity wrote:
sc8581 wrote:
All of those teams had a lot of shooters, even most of the post-players you mentioned are shooters. LeBron, Duncan, Gasol, Sheed to an extent, Garnett, Pierce and obviously Nowitzki, all shooters.

You arent getting the point we are all trying to get you to understand.

You all aren't getting the point I'm trying to get you to understand.

tmorgan · Post #66 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:32 pm

You're probably both wrong. It doesn't matter, perimeter or post, as long as the offense is efficient. Perimeter teams get their efficiency from making 3's, post teams get it from extra foul shots and higher % shots.

I'm sure you'd all agree having both is best. We have the makings of both elements, which is nice. Now we need to work on having defense that is better than "first round exit" quality, because it has pretty much sucked so far.

sc8581 · Post #67 » by **sc8581** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:56 pm

tmorgan wrote:You're probably both wrong. It doesn't matter, perimeter or post, as long as the offense is efficient. Perimeter teams get their efficiency from making 3's, post teams get it from extra foul shots and higher % shots.

I'm sure you'd all agree having both is best. We have the makings of both elements, which is nice. Now we need to work on having defense that is better than "first round exit" quality, because it has pretty much sucked so far.

The problem with our defense isn't going to get better any time soon. Drummond will improve in time, Monroe will not get any better guarding 4's, Smith will not get any better guarding 3's and Jennings will never be even a decent defender at the point so something has to be done about this right? Even if this team reaches it's full potential in say 2 or 3 years, we will still have way too many holes to actually contend, so why should we keep the team together? I'm not trying to sound negative just being realistic about the teams future as currently constructed.

Natopher · Post #68 » by **Natopher** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:59 pm

^This. Except the Jennings part. I think if he tried he could become an average defender. Probably not any better than that, but if he really put his mind to it I think he could become average.

sc8581 · Post #69 » by **sc8581** » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:56 pm

Natopher wrote:^This. Except the Jennings part. I think if he tried he could become an average defender. Probably not any better than that, but if he really put his mind to it I think he could become average.

I think he's just too small, which sucks to say since I'm the exact same size as him lol.

ComboGuardCity · Post #70 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:29 am

Me krabs has to make our thread !!

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ComboGuardCity · Post #71 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:58 pm

I hate auto correct. I meant mr krabs

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Piston Pete · Post #72 » by **Piston Pete** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:21 pm

Just a quick stat fact; Khris Middleton is currently top-5 in the league in 3-point shooting percentage (48.6%).

Just sayin'....

Natopher · Post #73 » by **Natopher** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:01 pm

Brook Lopez done for the year with a broken foot. Looks like the Nets will easily be one of the worst teams in the league this year. Boston's trade for Wallace + picks is looking like a huge steal right now.

DETermination · Post #74 » by **DETermination** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:50 pm

Natopher wrote:Brook Lopez done for the year with a broken foot. Looks like the Nets will easily be one of the worst teams in the league this year. Boston's trade for Wallace + picks is looking like a huge steal right now.

That sucks for Lopez but it gives Drummond an even greater chance of making the allstar team.

MrBigShot · Post #75 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:02 pm

DETermination wrote:
Natopher wrote:Brook Lopez done for the year with a broken foot. Looks like the Nets will easily be one of the worst teams in the league this year. Boston's trade for Wallace + picks is looking like a huge steal right now.

That sucks for Lopez but it gives Drummond an even greater chance of making the allstar team.

Not as much as it use to because centers are no longer in their own category, but it will definitely help. That's one less front court player who had a chance to be an all star.

Post #76 » by **Timmaytime** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:13 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Just a quick stat fact; Khris Middleton is currently top-5 in the league in 3-point shooting percentage (48.6%).

Just sayin'....

Solid defensively... Maybe we should have played him a little more when we were losing last year...

Natopher · Post #77 » by **Natopher** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:30 pm

I'd love to get Middleton back. I don't think he'll be a restricted free agent after next year, so it'd be nice if we made an offer on him. He's going to be pretty good in the NBA I think.

kurtis48239 · Post #78 » by **kurtis48239** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:36 pm

Yea we definitly should have kept him,iam sure the bucks thought knight was the main piece and middleton if panned out would be icing on the cake.Iam sure we could have gotten the deal done if we denied them middleton and added jonas,bynum.

Clarity · Post #79 » by **Clarity** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:25 am

tmorgan wrote:You're probably both wrong. It doesn't matter, perimeter or post, as long as the offense is efficient. Perimeter teams get their efficiency from making 3's, post teams get it from extra foul shots and higher % shots.

I'm sure you'd all agree having both is best. We have the makings of both elements, which is nice. Now we need to work on having defense that is better than "first round exit" quality, because it has pretty much sucked so far.

lol, its bball man. Everyone knows its slowed down & all about getting easy buckets in the half court in the post season. Since the beginning of time.

tmorgan · Post #80 » by **tmorgan** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:29 am

Clarity wrote:
tmorgan wrote:You're probably both wrong. It doesn't matter, perimeter or post, as long as the offense is efficient. Perimeter teams get their efficiency from making 3's, post teams get it from extra foul shots and higher % shots.

I'm sure you'd all agree having both is best. We have the makings of both elements, which is nice. Now we need to work on having defense that is better than "first round exit" quality, because it has pretty much sucked so far.

lol, its bball man. Everyone knows its slowed down & all about getting easy buckets in the half court in the post season. Since the beginning of time.

Sometimes I truly wonder if you're reading or just reacting. How does "all about getting easy buckets in the half court" vary AT ALL from efficient shots? Are you trying to tell me that Miami won the last two championships by pounding the ball inside? That's primarily a perimeter team... not Wade, but LeBron does both, Bosh is midrange, Miller outside, Battier outside, Allen outside. That's almost all of their scoring, and well over half of it isn't from the inside. It's about quality shots, so "lol, it's bball man", learn to read.