Bye Bye Christian Wood Thread.......

[Snakebites]

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(It's not at midnight though, it's Nov 20th @ 6pm ET)

Yeah, I did a double take there.

Can't be that big a deal to Wood. Can't even get the time right.

They got rid of the stupid midnight thing a few years back- it was always absurd.

[The Moose]

hmm, the Ariza trade is the only one of ours left that hasnt become official.
I wonder if Christian Wood sign and trade could be related in some way

[vic]

Yeah he’s a little salty and immature but he’s 25. I think he should stay. The Pistons win championships with stretch bigs (Laimbeer, Sheed) and with reclamation projects.

I hope weaver is not sensitive I hope he will be aggressive about keeping Christian Wood in the team and paying him commensurate to his role as a stretch 5 planning to build a competitive team with him Sekou, Hayes, and Blake as the elder statesman.

It’s fun to get picks but let’s also retain talent and build a winning team. Legit Stretch 5s with natural and creative talent don’t come along that often. He’s not AD but he’s not a scrub. Pay the man and give him his role.

[edmunder_prc]

Christian Wood is what I hope Sekou will become.

Wood played here and did really well. He was playing for the contract of a lifetime - hes made peanuts so far - so maybe he wont always play that hard? He looked great though. Also at his age he can still get heavier which is his only negative on the court. Off the court he might be a head case. If hes a dick to everyone then probably Weaver doesnt want any part of that.

I still really like everything that Wood does and hope Sekou becomes more or less that player. Although Sekou is a little shorter.

[vic]

If he’s on drugs and he’s making enemies on the team and he’s not paying his child support... ok I understand, get rid of him.
But if he’s a good dude you gotta just pay the man. People mature at different ages, 25 is when your frontal lobe develops, you gotta keep the talent you got.

Hopefully these moves will help them get space for him. It doesn’t seem like Weaver is the type of guy go to for a full internet draft-nerd tank job. That’s just doesn’t make sense to me.

Keeping Wood would send a signal to Blake & Rose that they can still compete here, and send a signal to the young guys on what happens when you produce.

Lowballing or refusing to at least find out what he wants would speak volumes about the organization to other players going forward.

What more does he have to do? Hopefully Weaver is prepared to convince him to stay. He can’t force him but he’s got to try to convince him.

[MotownMadness]

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(It's not at midnight though, it's Nov 20th @ 6pm ET)

Yeah, I did a double take there.

Can't be that big a deal to Wood. Can't even get the time right.

They got rid of the stupid midnight thing a few years back- it was always absurd.

Yeah how are you one of the top FAs and dont even know what time FA starts

[Billl]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

[BJK1]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

Yeah, I’m starting to think the same.

[pistonpat]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

Yeah, I’m starting to think the same.

One of the guys at the Athletic said if they stretch anyone it would like by McGruder which would open $4M more for this year.

[coordinator0]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

Yeah, I’m starting to think the same.

One of the guys at the Athletic said if they stretch anyone it would like by McGruder which would open $4M more for this year.

It was Hollinger, but the same theory still holds true with Dedmon's deal. Just depends on how much room the Pistons actually need to do whatever it is they're planning.

[NYPiston]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

That would be really dumb, did they not learn anything from the Josh Smith fiasco? It would be a $5.2M caphit for the next 5 years I believe. Really bad idea.

I'd rather let Wood walk than stretch Dedmon.

[Billl]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

That would be really dumb, did they not learn anything from the Josh Smith fiasco? It would be a $5.2M caphit for the next 5 years I believe. Really bad idea.

His second year isn't guaranteed, so it would be about half that.

Anyway, I didn't say that's what I WANTED us to do, just that I thought Weaver might do it. Doesn't sound like he plans to sit this FA period on the sidelines.

[coordinator0]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

That would be really dumb, did they not learn anything from the Josh Smith fiasco? It would be a $5.2M caphit for the next 5 years I believe. Really bad idea.

I'd rather let Wood walk than stretch Dedmon.

More like $2.86 million for five years. Dedmon's $13,333,333 million salary this year and the $1,000,000 guaranteed for next season is all that woud count.

[bstein14]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

That would be really dumb, did they not learn anything from the Josh Smith fiasco? It would be a $5.2M caphit for the next 5 years I believe. Really bad idea.

I'd rather let Wood walk than stretch Dedmon.

No since its just a one year deal left it would be stretched out over just two seasons. Same thing with Ariza.

We would have 50% cap hit this year, and 50% cap hit next year.

[Snakebites]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

Yeah, I’m starting to think the same.

What am I missing? Why not stretch Snell in that case?

[coordinator0]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

That would be really dumb, did they not learn anything from the Josh Smith fiasco? It would be a $5.2M caphit for the next 5 years I believe. Really bad idea.

I'd rather let Wood walk than stretch Dedmon.

No since its just a one year deal left it would be stretched out over just two seasons. Same thing with Ariza.

We would have 50% cap hit this year, and 50% cap hit next year.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64

2 All seasons remaining on a contract are considered "remaining seasons" for the purpose of the stretch provision except seasons following a team option. For example, the Clippers waived and stretched Miroslav Raduljica in 2014 with two seasons remaining on his contract, one fully guaranteed and the other non-guaranteed. Both seasons counted in his stretch calculation, so his remaining guaranteed salary was stretched over five seasons.

So same thing with Dedmon since he has one guaranteed year and one partially guaranteed year left on his contract.

[Billl]

That would be really dumb, did they not learn anything from the Josh Smith fiasco? It would be a $5.2M caphit for the next 5 years I believe. Really bad idea.

I'd rather let Wood walk than stretch Dedmon.

No since its just a one year deal left it would be stretched out over just two seasons. Same thing with Ariza.

We would have 50% cap hit this year, and 50% cap hit next year.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q64

2 All seasons remaining on a contract are considered "remaining seasons" for the purpose of the stretch provision except seasons following a team option. For example, the Clippers waived and stretched Miroslav Raduljica in 2014 with two seasons remaining on his contract, one fully guaranteed and the other non-guaranteed. Both seasons counted in his stretch calculation, so his remaining guaranteed salary was stretched over five seasons.

So same thing with Dedmon since he has one guaranteed year and one partially guaranteed year left on his contract.

yes,Dedmon is owned money in the second season, just not all of it. He would be stretched over 4 years .

[NYPiston]

No since its just a one year deal left it would be stretched out over just two seasons. Same thing with Ariza.

We would have 50% cap hit this year, and 50% cap hit next year.

2 years left, only $1M guaranteed next year.

In this article, it indicates that Dedmon's stretch will cost $5.2M over the next 5 seasons. The stretch provisions are always complicated so maybe this guy got it wrong...

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020/11/20/21583103/nba-free-agency-detroit-pistons-christian-wood-return-to-detroit

Makes you wonder what the appeal was in trading for Dedmon in the first place, and it seems we will soon find out. His deal also has only a small guarantee of $1 million for next season so he would be another potential stretch candidate but that would count $5.2 million against the cap for five seasons. That’s Josh Smith money, and the Pistons just finally got that blemish off their cap sheet and I don’t think they are eager for a hit so large to return to their books.

[chrbal]

Part of me is starting to think Weaver is going to stretch dedmon just to be able to offer Wood a pretty substantial deal.

Yeah, I’m starting to think the same.

What am I missing? Why not stretch Snell in that case?

True expirings can only be split over two. McGruder and Dedmon can split over 4 or 5.

If we need the open space, we should cut Ariza and McGruder. Dedmon gives us a solid veteran big who won’t need consistent playing time. Ariza needs the playing time to prove he can still be helpful to a playoff team, while not really helping Detroit long term and not really going to bring back a good trade haul.

[coordinator0]

2 years left, only $1M guaranteed next year.

In this article, it indicates that Dedmon's stretch will cost $5.2M over the next 5 seasons. The stretch provisions are always complicated so maybe this guy got it wrong...

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020/11/20/21583103/nba-free-agency-detroit-pistons-christian-wood-return-to-detroit

Makes you wonder what the appeal was in trading for Dedmon in the first place, and it seems we will soon find out. His deal also has only a small guarantee of $1 million for next season so he would be another potential stretch candidate but that would count $5.2 million against the cap for five seasons. That’s Josh Smith money, and the Pistons just finally got that blemish off their cap sheet and I don’t think they are eager for a hit so large to return to their books.

He did get it wrong. Not sure how you can end up with $5.2 million. Even if you count the full remaining money on his contract $26,666,666 and divide it by 5 that's like $5.3 million.

Anyways, for Dedmon he has $13,333,333 and $1,000,000 in guaranteed money left. With the stretch rules that's twice the remaining years on the contract plus one, so 2x2 +1 = 5. $14,333,333 / 5 = $2,866,666.6.