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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#61 » by Laimbeer » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:30 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I love any report that says we're not a suitor for Simmons. No interest.

Laimbeer wrote:Grant and Turner have similar deals, right? I'd rather extend Turner as a long term piece. Just a question of him wanting to come here and sign a deal. I think he'd fit in really well.


They're both 2 years. Jerami is 20 mill and Turner is 18 mill.

Everyone else already answered what I would've about Turner: he's 25, he fits incredibly with Cade, and he fills the biggest needs this team has at the 5 (rim protection, a center who can space the floor and work the interior, etc.). I'd want Turner on the team for the same reason that I want to start Kelly O when he comes back, except I think Turner is young enough and good enough to be around when we're ready to contend, so long as we can convince him to stick with us.


*IF* we pull off getting Turner, the bonus is KO has a bit of trade value, imo. We'd have options.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#62 » by KeepOnRollin » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:29 am

A_dub06 wrote:Personally out of all the teams rumoured to be strongly interested in Grant I hope we go with either a package from Chicago or Portland.

From Chicago I’d be keen on a package consisting of Williams, White and a pick.

From Portand Simons, Little and a pick.

Outside of that if Sacto would be willing to part with their 1st round pick unprotected plus Bagley and filler I’d pull the trigger too.

I don’t think this draft will be all that great so unless we can get a top 10 unprotected 1st I’d prefer to get some young interesting prospects. At this stage the Portland package is probably my favourite. Simons would be nice next to Cade and Little is starting to show us something too. Having a nucleus of Simons/Cade/Little/Bey/Holgrem (who I hope we draft) is a pretty exciting young lineup!
As a Blazers Fan with all due respect do you have lost your mind? Never ever are the Blazers gonna trade Simons and Little for Grant lmao

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Post#63 » by bstein14 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:39 am

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A_dub06 wrote:Personally out of all the teams rumoured to be strongly interested in Grant I hope we go with either a package from Chicago or Portland.

From Chicago I’d be keen on a package consisting of Williams, White and a pick.

From Portand Simons, Little and a pick.

Outside of that if Sacto would be willing to part with their 1st round pick unprotected plus Bagley and filler I’d pull the trigger too.

I don’t think this draft will be all that great so unless we can get a top 10 unprotected 1st I’d prefer to get some young interesting prospects. At this stage the Portland package is probably my favourite. Simons would be nice next to Cade and Little is starting to show us something too. Having a nucleus of Simons/Cade/Little/Bey/Holgrem (who I hope we draft) is a pretty exciting young lineup!
As a Blazers Fan with all due respect do you have lost your mind? Never ever are the Blazers gonna trade Simons and Little for Grant lmao

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Simons is a FA and likely going to want to go somewhere he can start this summer. It'll certainly be interesting to see how his contract situation plays out. If Bridges stays in Charlotte and Ayton in Phoenix, I could see the Pistons turn to Simons for a large deal to become their PG of the future. I think he's looking at a large contract if he keeps up his recent play over the next few months.
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Post#64 » by vege » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:21 am

KeepOnRollin wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:Personally out of all the teams rumoured to be strongly interested in Grant I hope we go with either a package from Chicago or Portland.

From Chicago I’d be keen on a package consisting of Williams, White and a pick.

From Portand Simons, Little and a pick.

Outside of that if Sacto would be willing to part with their 1st round pick unprotected plus Bagley and filler I’d pull the trigger too.

I don’t think this draft will be all that great so unless we can get a top 10 unprotected 1st I’d prefer to get some young interesting prospects. At this stage the Portland package is probably my favourite. Simons would be nice next to Cade and Little is starting to show us something too. Having a nucleus of Simons/Cade/Little/Bey/Holgrem (who I hope we draft) is a pretty exciting young lineup!
As a Blazers Fan with all due respect do you have lost your mind? Never ever are the Blazers gonna trade Simons and Little for Grant lmao

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That's absolutely terrible for Detroit. Simons is a FA and Little is not very good.
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Post#65 » by Kalamazoo317 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:49 pm

KeepOnRollin wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:Personally out of all the teams rumoured to be strongly interested in Grant I hope we go with either a package from Chicago or Portland.

From Chicago I’d be keen on a package consisting of Williams, White and a pick.

From Portand Simons, Little and a pick.

Outside of that if Sacto would be willing to part with their 1st round pick unprotected plus Bagley and filler I’d pull the trigger too.

I don’t think this draft will be all that great so unless we can get a top 10 unprotected 1st I’d prefer to get some young interesting prospects. At this stage the Portland package is probably my favourite. Simons would be nice next to Cade and Little is starting to show us something too. Having a nucleus of Simons/Cade/Little/Bey/Holgrem (who I hope we draft) is a pretty exciting young lineup!
As a Blazers Fan with all due respect do you have lost your mind? Never ever are the Blazers gonna trade Simons and Little for Grant lmao

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That's fine. It just means they don't have a realistic chance of getting Grant. Not sure why they'd want to go all in for Grant anyway, when they're so far from competing, and not sure Grant would want to go there.

That latter part is probably a key aspect I missed with Indiana. I don't think Weaver's going to send Grant anywhere that he doesn't want to go, and I'm not sure he'd want to go to Indiana.
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Post#66 » by FloridaMan78 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:28 pm

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KeepOnRollin wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:Personally out of all the teams rumoured to be strongly interested in Grant I hope we go with either a package from Chicago or Portland.

From Chicago I’d be keen on a package consisting of Williams, White and a pick.

From Portand Simons, Little and a pick.

Outside of that if Sacto would be willing to part with their 1st round pick unprotected plus Bagley and filler I’d pull the trigger too.

I don’t think this draft will be all that great so unless we can get a top 10 unprotected 1st I’d prefer to get some young interesting prospects. At this stage the Portland package is probably my favourite. Simons would be nice next to Cade and Little is starting to show us something too. Having a nucleus of Simons/Cade/Little/Bey/Holgrem (who I hope we draft) is a pretty exciting young lineup!
As a Blazers Fan with all due respect do you have lost your mind? Never ever are the Blazers gonna trade Simons and Little for Grant lmao

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Simons is a FA and likely going to want to go somewhere he can start this summer. It'll certainly be interesting to see how his contract situation plays out. If Bridges stays in Charlotte and Ayton in Phoenix, I could see the Pistons turn to Simons for a large deal to become their PG of the future. I think he's looking at a large contract if he keeps up his recent play over the next few months.


Isn’t Simons a restricted free agent? Restricted free agents have no leverage and the team is in control right? The restricted free agent only leaves if the team doesn’t want them. So whether he wants a starting spot doesn’t really matter, it’s whether the team wants to pay them or not.

Only time teams don’t have the leverage is when they don’t pick up options like Jalen Smith or when the player is a second round pick and can’t pay them as much.
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Post#67 » by NYPiston » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:46 pm

Sabonis with a significant injury likely taking another big asset off the sellers market so Grant might be the most attractive asset on the market right now believe it or not. I keep repeating myself but Weaver needs to take advantage of this leverage he has while he has it and trade Grant to the highest bidder. Now is the time.
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Post#68 » by Manocad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:10 pm

KeepOnRollin wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:Personally out of all the teams rumoured to be strongly interested in Grant I hope we go with either a package from Chicago or Portland.

From Chicago I’d be keen on a package consisting of Williams, White and a pick.

From Portand Simons, Little and a pick.

Outside of that if Sacto would be willing to part with their 1st round pick unprotected plus Bagley and filler I’d pull the trigger too.

I don’t think this draft will be all that great so unless we can get a top 10 unprotected 1st I’d prefer to get some young interesting prospects. At this stage the Portland package is probably my favourite. Simons would be nice next to Cade and Little is starting to show us something too. Having a nucleus of Simons/Cade/Little/Bey/Holgrem (who I hope we draft) is a pretty exciting young lineup!
As a Blazers Fan with all due respect do you have lost your mind? Never ever are the Blazers gonna trade Simons and Little for Grant lmao

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Yes, he HAS lost his mind. That's HIS offer, not the Pistons' offer, because they wouldn't offer it. Simons is approaching free agency so the Pistons could get him anyway. So Grant for Little and a pick? :lol:
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Post#69 » by kpt » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:59 pm

Seems as though the stars are aligning...(I do not wish injury on any player) Sabonis and Turner with injuries and Grant coming back is synchonistic timing. Helping us take advantage of a trade, if we dont blow it. Also, Lonzo going out with meniscus tear could spell Chi needing more fire power on both ends. I have this feeling that we will not make any trade which is disturbing. In these pitiful years I find myself the most excited around trade deadline, draft, and free agency. Although I have been watching a lot of games to see how Cade and Bey are playing and as well as waiting for Killian to have a break out game. Still waiting.
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Post#70 » by NYPiston » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:19 pm

kpt wrote:Seems as though the stars are aligning...(I do not wish injury on any player) Sabonis and Turner with injuries and Grant coming back is synchonistic timing. Helping us take advantage of a trade, if we dont blow it. Also, Lonzo going out with meniscus tear could spell Chi needing more fire power on both ends. I have this feeling that we will not make any trade which is disturbing. In these pitiful years I find myself the most excited around trade deadline, draft, and free agency. Although I have been watching a lot of games to see how Cade and Bey are playing and as well as waiting for Killian to have a break out game. Still waiting.


I get the feeling that we won't see a trade either for two reasons, because Weaver might see Grant as part of the core going forward and because (if the rumors are true) that Grant wants a big role on the team he's traded to which shrinks the market considerably.

As you said, the stars are aligning for the Pistons to get the most out of Grant's value but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's not going to happen and it'll be a mistake for a multitude of reasons. If Grant does stay here past the deadline, he must realize that he can't be the go to option here anymore and by next season (if the Pistons pick remains high) that he might not even be the 2nd option for long here so maybe he needs to keep things in perspective in terms of his role going forward.
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Post#71 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:16 pm

Can we dead the narrative of Grant being some inflexible ballhog that's unwilling to be a team player? That s**t has gotten beyond old at this point.

There's ALOT in between him not wanting to be a "stand in the corner and shoot if the ball maybe finds its way to you" type player and a "give me the ball and everybody get the hell out the way" type player. Some guys just don't want to be buried in the corner, hell I wouldn't want to either. Even Ben freaking Wallace wanted to be involved in the offense. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be willing to be apart of a balanced offense.

When Grant got hurt, this team was shooting like toddlers. So it forced him AND Cade to force things more. Remember the shots Cade was taking early on when nobody could hit shots? Nobody called Grant a ballhog or questioned his willingness to fit into a balanced offense last year. But now Cade is here. I think people just need to be honest and admit that people want Cade to either take every shot or setup the remaining ones he doesn't take, and any other higher usage player hurts that type of offense.

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Post#72 » by Invictus88 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:44 pm

DetroitSho wrote:Can we dead the narrative of Grant being some inflexible ballhog that's unwilling to be a team player? That s**t has gotten beyond old at this point.

There's ALOT in between him not wanting to be a "stand in the corner and shoot if the ball maybe finds its way to you" type player and a "give me the ball and everybody get the hell out the way" type player. Some guys just don't want to be buried in the corner, hell I wouldn't want to either. Even Ben freaking Wallace wanted to be involved in the offense. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be willing to be apart of a balanced offense.

When Grant got hurt, this team was shooting like toddlers. So it forced him AND Cade to force things more. Remember the shots Cade was taking early on when nobody could hit shots? Nobody called Grant a ballhog or questioned his willingness to fit into a balanced offense last year. But now Cade is here. I think people just need to be honest and admit that people want Cade to either take every shot or setup the remaining ones he doesn't take, and any other higher usage player hurts that type of offense.

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It's hard.

Earlier this season he was the #1 option and did dominate possessions. They would end as soon as he got the ball as he went iso for long stretches. At first it was out of pure necessity; then there was this weird dichotomy of usage between him and Cade as Cade started to come into his own.

It's pretty much irrefutable that the ball movement significantly improved when he left and our young guys took big steps forward.

The big question is what would happen if he comes back. Do the Pistons largely regress to what they were previously or do Grant and those playing around him adjust with Grant assuming a more peripheral role?

I think either is plausible. I do think that there is significant risk to the Pistons future if it regresses backward. I also think that Grant's trade value is at risk to go way down as well. It's for those reasons I'd prefer if he was traded before he came back.

I do also think that we as a franchise have much more to benefit from this clearly becoming Cade's team and him developing into and playing the prominent superstar role. It's not a guarantee but he's definitely tracking that way.

I think it's also apparent that if that happens then he will get the others on the court involved in the offense. That's just his play style. He is an astronomically better playmaker / distributor than Grant.
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Post#73 » by Manocad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:37 pm

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DetroitSho wrote:Can we dead the narrative of Grant being some inflexible ballhog that's unwilling to be a team player? That s**t has gotten beyond old at this point.

There's ALOT in between him not wanting to be a "stand in the corner and shoot if the ball maybe finds its way to you" type player and a "give me the ball and everybody get the hell out the way" type player. Some guys just don't want to be buried in the corner, hell I wouldn't want to either. Even Ben freaking Wallace wanted to be involved in the offense. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be willing to be apart of a balanced offense.

When Grant got hurt, this team was shooting like toddlers. So it forced him AND Cade to force things more. Remember the shots Cade was taking early on when nobody could hit shots? Nobody called Grant a ballhog or questioned his willingness to fit into a balanced offense last year. But now Cade is here. I think people just need to be honest and admit that people want Cade to either take every shot or setup the remaining ones he doesn't take, and any other higher usage player hurts that type of offense.

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It's hard.

Earlier this season he was the #1 option and did dominate possessions. They would end as soon as he got the ball as he went iso for long stretches. At first it was out of pure necessity; then there was this weird dichotomy of usage between him and Cade as Cade started to come into his own.

It's pretty much irrefutable that the ball movement significantly improved when he left and our young guys took big steps forward.

The big question is what would happen if he comes back. Do the Pistons largely regress to what they were previously or do Grant and those playing around him adjust with Grant assuming a more peripheral role?

I think either is plausible. I do think that there is significant risk to the Pistons future if it regresses backward. I also think that Grant's trade value is at risk to go way down as well. It's for those reasons I'd prefer if he was traded before he came back.

I do also think that we as a franchise have much more to benefit from this clearly becoming Cade's team and him developing into and playing the prominent superstar role. It's not a guarantee but he's definitely tracking that way.

I think it's also apparent that if that happens then he will get the others on the court involved in the offense. That's just his play style. He is an astronomically better playmaker / distributor than Grant.

While I don't think any of what you wrote is implausible, I will say it completely overlooks the idea that Grant can and is willing to adapt his style of play to benefit the team.

What I'll add is a general comment in the same vein...stop with the BS of "Jerami came here to be THE MAN and there's no way he'd accept a diminished role, blah blah blah." No one knows what Jerami is thinking or will/won't accept or adapt to. Look at it this way--even with Diallo and Bey starting to ramp things up, what's everyone still saying? The team needs another star-level player to team with Cade. Why can't that be Grant? Who says the team can't be successful with a core of Cade, Diallo, Bey, Grant, and a serviceable center, or ultimately even a star center? Cade is already doing his thing, Diallo is too, Bey is still hitting 3's but trying to score more in iso situations and he is NOT as good at it as Grant--PERIOD. So keep Bey doing what he does best, shooting 3's, and keep Grant doing what he does best which is taking guys one on one. Obviously that doesn't mean that's all either of them will do, i.e. Bey's man bodies him up so he takes it to the rack or Grant's man sags off him so he takes a jumper, but I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a Cade/Diallo/Bey/Grant core isn't capable of putting up their current averages every night while playing together. Now, does that assume Grant may have to swallow some ego and buy into the team concept for the greater good? Sure. But that's required for EVERY high level team these days since more and more the best teams are made up of multiple stars.
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Post#74 » by 440BB » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:48 pm

The idea of a Cade/Diallo/Bey/Grant/Olynyk lineup sounds pretty good right now. Decent ball movement, defense and spacing.

As the trade offers come in, I wonder how much it's simply business versus a sense of loyalty and familiarity for Weaver. He's shown a tendency so far to favor players he's familiar with and Grant was his first big signing, which might have included some assurances.
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Post#75 » by Manocad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:00 pm

440BB wrote:The idea of a Cade/Diallo/Bey/Grant/Olynyk lineup sounds pretty good right now. Decent ball movement, defense and spacing.

As the trade offers come in, I wonder how much it's simply business versus a sense of loyalty and familiarity for Weaver. He's shown a tendency so far to favor players he's familiar with and Grant was his first big signing, which might have included some assurances.

Remember though that he said right off the bat, and I mean verbatim and thus explicitly, that the possibility existed of turning Grant into a tradeable asset if it looked like the right move as the team developed. So I don't think too much focus needs to be put on the emotions surrounding trading Grant, so to speak.
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Post#76 » by vic » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:04 pm

At the end of the day, Grant is a championship piece if hes in the right role as 3rd option. Plus hes in his prime.

So if your not getting another championship piece, and a 1st, Troy's not gonna trade him.

How many future championship level (2-way) role players are on the market?

Pat Williams
Myles Turner
Maybe Brandon Boston as a scoring talent.

If you're not getting one of those 3, I cant see it happening.

I'd rather just take Grant into next year, add Chet, or Jabari, and sign Simons off of Portland. Sign Mo Bamba or Mitchell Roninson. Draft or sign undrafted Ibou Badji and call it a day.
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Post#77 » by vic » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:21 pm

vic wrote:At the end of the day, Grant is a championship piece if hes in the right role as 3rd option. Plus hes in his prime.

So if your not getting another championship piece, and a 1st, Troy's not gonna trade him.

How many future championship level (2-way) role players are on the market?

Pat Williams
Myles Turner
Maybe Brandon Boston as a scoring talent.

If you're not getting one of those 3, I cant see it happening.

I'd rather just take Grant into next year, add Chet, or Jabari, and sign Simons off of Portland. Sign Mo Bamba or Mitchell Roninson. Draft or sign undrafted Ibou Badji and call it a day.


Jalen Brunson and a 1st would be another option
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Post#78 » by NYPiston » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:22 pm

Manocad wrote:While I don't think any of what you wrote is implausible, I will say it completely overlooks the idea that Grant can and is willing to adapt his style of play to benefit the team.

What I'll add is a general comment in the same vein...stop with the BS of "Jerami came here to be THE MAN and there's no way he'd accept a diminished role, blah blah blah." No one knows what Jerami is thinking or will/won't accept or adapt to. Look at it this way--even with Diallo and Bey starting to ramp things up, what's everyone still saying? The team needs another star-level player to team with Cade. Why can't that be Grant? Who says the team can't be successful with a core of Cade, Diallo, Bey, Grant, and a serviceable center, or ultimately even a star center? Cade is already doing his thing, Diallo is too, Bey is still hitting 3's but trying to score more in iso situations and he is NOT as good at it as Grant--PERIOD. So keep Bey doing what he does best, shooting 3's, and keep Grant doing what he does best which is taking guys one on one. Obviously that doesn't mean that's all either of them will do, i.e. Bey's man bodies him up so he takes it to the rack or Grant's man sags off him so he takes a jumper, but I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a Cade/Diallo/Bey/Grant core isn't capable of putting up their current averages every night while playing together. Now, does that assume Grant may have to swallow some ego and buy into the team concept for the greater good? Sure. But that's required for EVERY high level team these days since more and more the best teams are made up of multiple stars.


Nobody knows what Grant is actually thinking because he hasn't actually said anything himself about what role he wants but from what we know from insiders is that a big reason why he signed with Detroit was so he could get a prominent role, why would he turn down more money from Denver to sign here of all places, and the current rumors are that he only wants to be traded to a team that will give him a prominent role so once can insinuate from the information we have available that he wants a prominent role still which tells me that he doesn't want to adapt to take a lesser role.

Who knows what happens going forward but that type of mentality could be detrimental for a young team that is starting to add players who should be placed in a more prominent role and need the ball more to get the most out of their ability. Just one of many reasons why trading Grant right now might be the smart move. It doesn't mean that they HAVE TO trade him now but it's a hot market for him getting hotter with every injury to other players on the sellers market so it would be prudent to start somewhat of a bidding war and take the best package possible.
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Post#79 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 pm

Manocad wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:Can we dead the narrative of Grant being some inflexible ballhog that's unwilling to be a team player? That s**t has gotten beyond old at this point.

There's ALOT in between him not wanting to be a "stand in the corner and shoot if the ball maybe finds its way to you" type player and a "give me the ball and everybody get the hell out the way" type player. Some guys just don't want to be buried in the corner, hell I wouldn't want to either. Even Ben freaking Wallace wanted to be involved in the offense. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be willing to be apart of a balanced offense.

When Grant got hurt, this team was shooting like toddlers. So it forced him AND Cade to force things more. Remember the shots Cade was taking early on when nobody could hit shots? Nobody called Grant a ballhog or questioned his willingness to fit into a balanced offense last year. But now Cade is here. I think people just need to be honest and admit that people want Cade to either take every shot or setup the remaining ones he doesn't take, and any other higher usage player hurts that type of offense.

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It's hard.

Earlier this season he was the #1 option and did dominate possessions. They would end as soon as he got the ball as he went iso for long stretches. At first it was out of pure necessity; then there was this weird dichotomy of usage between him and Cade as Cade started to come into his own.

It's pretty much irrefutable that the ball movement significantly improved when he left and our young guys took big steps forward.

The big question is what would happen if he comes back. Do the Pistons largely regress to what they were previously or do Grant and those playing around him adjust with Grant assuming a more peripheral role?

I think either is plausible. I do think that there is significant risk to the Pistons future if it regresses backward. I also think that Grant's trade value is at risk to go way down as well. It's for those reasons I'd prefer if he was traded before he came back.

I do also think that we as a franchise have much more to benefit from this clearly becoming Cade's team and him developing into and playing the prominent superstar role. It's not a guarantee but he's definitely tracking that way.

I think it's also apparent that if that happens then he will get the others on the court involved in the offense. That's just his play style. He is an astronomically better playmaker / distributor than Grant.

While I don't think any of what you wrote is implausible, I will say it completely overlooks the idea that Grant can and is willing to adapt his style of play to benefit the team.

What I'll add is a general comment in the same vein...stop with the BS of "Jerami came here to be THE MAN and there's no way he'd accept a diminished role, blah blah blah." No one knows what Jerami is thinking or will/won't accept or adapt to. Look at it this way--even with Diallo and Bey starting to ramp things up, what's everyone still saying? The team needs another star-level player to team with Cade. Why can't that be Grant? Who says the team can't be successful with a core of Cade, Diallo, Bey, Grant, and a serviceable center, or ultimately even a star center? Cade is already doing his thing, Diallo is too, Bey is still hitting 3's but trying to score more in iso situations and he is NOT as good at it as Grant--PERIOD. So keep Bey doing what he does best, shooting 3's, and keep Grant doing what he does best which is taking guys one on one. Obviously that doesn't mean that's all either of them will do, i.e. Bey's man bodies him up so he takes it to the rack or Grant's man sags off him so he takes a jumper, but I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a Cade/Diallo/Bey/Grant core isn't capable of putting up their current averages every night while playing together. Now, does that assume Grant may have to swallow some ego and buy into the team concept for the greater good? Sure. But that's required for EVERY high level team these days since more and more the best teams are made up of multiple stars.
Don't forget, "black city, black coach, blah blah blah". You pretty much covered it, nobody's refuting the ball movement has changed...duh. The Warriors ball movement was better whenever Durant was out of the lineup. When you have a guy with iso ability miss significant time and you provide more opportunities to your mostly catch and shoot guys, ummm yeah, ball movement will increase. Those guys generally hot potato the ball if they don't an immediate shot on the catch. Nobody's refuting that it's moved better since he's been out. I'm refuting that he's unwilling or unable to fit into the better ball movement.

You swapped out a guy in Grant who was heavy on iso and inserted the guy that moves without the ball the most of anybody on the team in Diallo. Yeah I'd like to see that guy WITH Grant. Can you imagine if Bey was still shooting the same as he was prior to Grant going down? We wouldn't be having this convo.

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#80 » by Manocad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:51 pm

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Manocad wrote:While I don't think any of what you wrote is implausible, I will say it completely overlooks the idea that Grant can and is willing to adapt his style of play to benefit the team.

What I'll add is a general comment in the same vein...stop with the BS of "Jerami came here to be THE MAN and there's no way he'd accept a diminished role, blah blah blah." No one knows what Jerami is thinking or will/won't accept or adapt to. Look at it this way--even with Diallo and Bey starting to ramp things up, what's everyone still saying? The team needs another star-level player to team with Cade. Why can't that be Grant? Who says the team can't be successful with a core of Cade, Diallo, Bey, Grant, and a serviceable center, or ultimately even a star center? Cade is already doing his thing, Diallo is too, Bey is still hitting 3's but trying to score more in iso situations and he is NOT as good at it as Grant--PERIOD. So keep Bey doing what he does best, shooting 3's, and keep Grant doing what he does best which is taking guys one on one. Obviously that doesn't mean that's all either of them will do, i.e. Bey's man bodies him up so he takes it to the rack or Grant's man sags off him so he takes a jumper, but I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that a Cade/Diallo/Bey/Grant core isn't capable of putting up their current averages every night while playing together. Now, does that assume Grant may have to swallow some ego and buy into the team concept for the greater good? Sure. But that's required for EVERY high level team these days since more and more the best teams are made up of multiple stars.


Nobody knows what Grant is actually thinking because he hasn't actually said anything himself about what role he wants but from what we know from insiders is that a big reason why he signed with Detroit was so he could get a prominent role, why would he turn down more money from Denver to sign here of all places, and the current rumors are that he only wants to be traded to a team that will give him a prominent role so once can insinuate from the information we have available that he wants a prominent role still which tells me that he doesn't want to adapt to take a lesser role.

Who knows what happens going forward but that type of mentality could be detrimental for a young team that is starting to add players who should be placed in a more prominent role and need the ball more to get the most out of their ability. Just one of many reasons why trading Grant right now might be the smart move. It doesn't mean that they HAVE TO trade him now but it's a hot market for him getting hotter with every injury to other players on the sellers market so it would be prudent to start somewhat of a bidding war and take the best package possible.

Sure. If it's confirmed that Grant absolutely has to be "the man" in order to be happy, trade him. But let's say hypothetically the Pistons keep Grant because he wants to stay, will adjust his style of play to benefit the team, etc. And in reality, that's literally a best case scenario for the Pistons assuming Grant actually does follow through with adjusting his style of play. Now, the way this board works people will of course jump to conclusions in that scenario and start hollering "Weaver is an idiot! Grant is going to screw everything up!" without having any idea what Grant's thinking or waiting for the results.

Grant is getting paid $20M a year and doesn't have a championship ring. I've argued many times in the past that NBA players want two things--money and a ring, preferably in that order. He's got the money. It seems very plausible to me that he could see the value of staying with the team and adapting his role to best suit the team knowing they've got a lot of cap space and a high draft pick on the way. That's a situation that players WANT to go to, and he's already here. And like I said, if that holds no value for him and his primary goal is to be the #1 option no matter what, trade him. Certainly he's aware that was a possibility from Day 1.
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