The Trade Thread - v2

[The Penguin]

Gallinari & Arthur

for

Monroe, Singler & Bynum


Jennings/Augustin/Dinwiddle
KCP/Meeks
Gallinari/Butler/Datome/Martin
Smith/Arthur/Jerebko/Mitchell
Drummond/Gray

We balance the roster and cap off the summer of adding shooting around Drummond.

Nuggets go with

Lawson/Robinson/Bynum
Afflalo/Harris/Foye
Chandler/Singler/Miller
Faried/Hickson
Monroe/McGee/Mozgov/Nurkic


Monroe gives Denver a legitimate offensive post player that can run plays with Lawson & Afflalo.

[Timmaytime]

Gallinari & Arthur

for

Monroe, Singler & Bynum


Jennings/Augustin/Dinwiddle
KCP/Meeks
Gallinari/Butler/Datome/Martin
Smith/Arthur/Jerebko/Mitchell
Drummond/Gray

We balance the roster and cap off the summer of adding shooting around Drummond.

Nuggets go with

Lawson/Robinson/Bynum
Afflalo/Harris/Foye
Chandler/Singler/Miller
Faried/Hickson
Monroe/McGee/Mozgov/Nurkic


Monroe gives Denver a legitimate offensive post player that can run plays with Lawson & Afflalo.

Like this idea in general. I prefer Wilson Chandler though

[Kstegall21]

I honestly don't think there is a better "system fit" in the whole NBA to play SF under SVG than Gallinari. Only if he is healthy of course.

[coolness]

Gallinari & Arthur

for

Monroe, Singler & Bynum


Jennings/Augustin/Dinwiddle
KCP/Meeks
Gallinari/Butler/Datome/Martin
Smith/Arthur/Jerebko/Mitchell
Drummond/Gray

We balance the roster and cap off the summer of adding shooting around Drummond.

That doesn't balance the roster for jack-*&^%! You need 4 guys who can run an offense and 4 who can guard and be guarded by a center. Not perfectly, but adequately. And Gallo is an injury concern!

Just check out my sig for a true balance. And we would have +$30m in cap next summer along with a better lotto pick (because we're going to be lotto anyways.) Keeping Smennings around just makes everybody worse and want to leave Detroit. Drummond won't take kindly to more Smennings. Nobody needs a public quote about it to know that...

[The Penguin]

Gallinari & Arthur

for

Monroe, Singler & Bynum


Jennings/Augustin/Dinwiddle
KCP/Meeks
Gallinari/Butler/Datome/Martin
Smith/Arthur/Jerebko/Mitchell
Drummond/Gray

We balance the roster and cap off the summer of adding shooting around Drummond.

That doesn't balance the roster for jack-*&^%! You need 4 guys who can run an offense and 4 who can guard and be guarded by a center. Not perfectly, but adequately. And Gallo is an injury concern!

Just check out my sig for a true balance. And we would have +$30m in cap next summer along with a better lotto pick (because we're going to be lotto anyways.) Keeping Smennings around just makes everybody worse and want to leave Detroit. Drummond won't take kindly to more Smennings. Nobody needs a public quote about it to know that...

1) Houston would never touch that
2) Atlanta wouldn't touch that
3) the Lakers wouldn't touch that

[KJandHondo35]

What's your guys thoughts on this S&T idea for Monroe?

BOS: Jared Sullinger -Gerald Wallace -1st round pick

DET: Monroe

Gives you guys Sully, who's very comparable to Greg statistically and is 22 under a very cost friendly contract and I would think would pair well with Andre and could come off the bench. And GWall sucks but he still plays average defense at the SF position but you get a 1st to make up for that crap contract.

Celtics get Monroe and can experiment with him at 5 because we have nobody but an older less productive guy in Zeller at that position.

Tried to be fair to both sides, looking for your guy's input.


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[coolness]

1) Houston would never touch that
2) Atlanta wouldn't touch that
3) the Lakers wouldn't touch that

Lol, you're probably right.

[tmorgan]

What's your guys thoughts on this S&T idea for Monroe?

BOS: Jared Sullinger -Gerald Wallace -1st round pick

DET: Monroe

Gives you guys Sully, who's very comparable to Greg statistically and is 22 under a very cost friendly contract and I would think would pair well with Andre and could come off the bench. And GWall sucks but he still plays average defense at the SF position but you get a 1st to make up for that crap contract.

Celtics get Monroe and can experiment with him at 5 because we have nobody but an older less productive guy in Zeller at that position.

Tried to be fair to both sides, looking for your guy's input.

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To me, that'd be entirely dependent on the quality of the pick, but it's possible.

[coordinator0]

Taking on Wallace's contract without Jennings or Smith (even with Monroe signing elsewhere) going out is a non-starter. Sullinger isn't much of a sweetener so that first round pick would have to be one with very limited, if any, protection from what looks to be a team that won't end up making the playoffs. As is I wouldn't touch that deal.

[sc8581]

What's your guys thoughts on this S&T idea for Monroe?

BOS: Jared Sullinger -Gerald Wallace -1st round pick

DET: Monroe

Gives you guys Sully, who's very comparable to Greg statistically and is 22 under a very cost friendly contract and I would think would pair well with Andre and could come off the bench. And GWall sucks but he still plays average defense at the SF position but you get a 1st to make up for that crap contract.

Celtics get Monroe and can experiment with him at 5 because we have nobody but an older less productive guy in Zeller at that position.

Tried to be fair to both sides, looking for your guy's input.


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I would rather let Monroe walk

[Exit 9]

I know we how much we all love big, complicated 4 team trades but this came to me last night in the middle of a great buzz and I think it actually makes sense.


Det trades : Brandon Jennings to Denver, Will Bynum/2nd Rounders to Phoenix, Josh Smith to Kings
Det receives : Wilson Chandler from Den, Eric Bledsoe sign & trade from Suns

Denver Trades : Wilson Chandler to Pistons, Javelle McGee to Suns
Denver receives : Brandon Jennings from Pistons, Derrick Williams/Jason Thompson? from Kings

Suns trades : Eric Bledsoe to Detroit, Archie Goodwin to Kings
Suns receive : Javelle McGee from Denver, Will Bynum/other bench player from Detroit + 2nd rounder, Ben Mclemore from Kings,

Kings trade : Ben Mclemore to Suns, Derrick Williams/Jason Thompson to Denver
Kings receive : Josh Smith from Detroit, Archie Goodwin from Suns

Either we resign Moose, or still explore sign & trade options. Say that little Boston/Philly rumor the other day happens to be true, we'd start the season looking something like this.

Bledsoe/Augustin/Dinwiddle
KCP/Meeks/Young
Chandler/Singler/Butler
Young/Jerebko/whoever
Drummond/Olynyk/Grey

That's about as balanced as a roster as we could hope for, STILL leaves us with ample cap space seeing how the only person making big $$ would be Bledsoe, and people need to realize if we were to give him the max, it could only be 4 years/63 mill opposed to the 80 he's looking to get from the Suns.

Which of the mentioned teams say no? I think everybody gets fair value. And if anybody asks why does Denver deal for BJ, look at their roster. Their only current backup point guard is an injured Nate Robinson and it's slim pickings available in that department via free agency. Jennings is a backup, he'd go out there and be a super sub for Ty Lawson and allow them to keep playing the same pace they do when Ty is in the game.

[Blkbrd671]

What's your guys thoughts on this S&T idea for Monroe?

BOS: Jared Sullinger -Gerald Wallace -1st round pick

DET: Monroe

Gives you guys Sully, who's very comparable to Greg statistically and is 22 under a very cost friendly contract and I would think would pair well with Andre and could come off the bench. And GWall sucks but he still plays average defense at the SF position but you get a 1st to make up for that crap contract.

Celtics get Monroe and can experiment with him at 5 because we have nobody but an older less productive guy in Zeller at that position.

Tried to be fair to both sides, looking for your guy's input.


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Well 1 you did a horrible job of being fair to both sides though granted that's how trades w other teams normally go.


Wallace + 1st doesn't do anything for us. we aren't looking for another big contract unless 1's going out. detroit would need incentive to let moose walk, sully is not that incentive. Jeff Green for Josh smith is really the only deal that makes sense that fits a need for detroit. I'd consider

Wallace+Young+Green

for

Smith+Singler

[KJandHondo35]

Appreciate the feedback, it's funny because those on the Celtics Forum are killing me because they think its way too much for Monroe...

But even so I personally wouldn’t mind something like Sully and Green plus any combination of non-guaranteed contracts in Babb, Chris Johnson, and Phil Pressy to get up to whatever number Monroe is trying to sign for.

That gives you a Green-Smith-Drummond frontcourt with Sully off the bench which is a pretty daunting big rotation. IMO Monroe would actually play better from the 5, kind of like a skinny Big Al and as a 5 he would command 12-13M, even 14M wouldn’t be crazy looking at other center’s contracts. But DET has already one of if not the best Center prospect in the NBA in Drummond so it just wouldn’t make that much sense to sign him for that money. Monroe at the 5 will mitigate his lateral quickness issues when covering what is now the norm in smaller, quicker, “Stretch 4s” and would only present mismatches at 5 for say the handful of teams using a traditional big 5 like say the Pacers. But CHA showed the NBA you can constrct a top 5 defense with an average defender at the Center position which I see at the worst Monroe projects to be as a full time 5.

[Ghost]

Appreciate the feedback, it's funny because those on the Celtics Forum are killing me because they think its way too much for Monroe...

But even so I personally wouldn’t mind something like Sully and Green plus any combination of non-guaranteed contracts in Babb, Chris Johnson, and Phil Pressy to get up to whatever number Monroe is trying to sign for.

That gives you a Green-Smith-Drummond frontcourt with Sully off the bench which is a pretty daunting big rotation. IMO Monroe would actually play better from the 5, kind of like a skinny Big Al and as a 5 he would command 12-13M, even 14M wouldn’t be crazy looking at other center’s contracts. But DET has already one of if not the best Center prospect in the NBA in Drummond so it just wouldn’t make that much sense to sign him for that money. Monroe at the 5 will mitigate his lateral quickness issues when covering what is now the norm in smaller, quicker, “Stretch 4s” and would only present mismatches at 5 for say the handful of teams using a traditional big 5 like say the Pacers. But CHA showed the NBA you can constrct a top 5 defense with an average defender at the Center position which I see at the worst Monroe projects to be as a full time 5.

Yeah, it's just how the game works. If you look through this thread objectively or from the other side, I'm sure you could find some hilarious proposals. I don't really like Sully, so I wouldn't be interested. I dont really like Green that much either, but he's been talked about a ton on this board.

Your opinion about Monroe at the 5 is spot-on, he's basically too slow to deal with the small ball linesups of today and he just appears... Awkward in space being out away from the basket. Since he's not really a shot blocker the best situation would be to pair him with a guy like Ibaka. Or ironically, Josh Smith. Unfortunately (lmao), we have Andre Drummond so that's not really an option for us. We should have just played Drummond/Monroe+surrounded with shooters a bunch last year, but we didn't, so them two co-existing on the court together is a bit of an unknown.

Thanks for posting again

[Ghost]

Gallinari & Arthur

for

Monroe, Singler & Bynum

Honestly, I like the idea. I dont think the Nuggets board would be so keen on it since they still like Gallo.

The bad: Gallo tore his ACL and for some reason thought it would heal itself or some **** so he took forever to get the surgery. That's a little bit different then like how other people go about it, so I'd be a little worried. The good side is that his game was not based on athleticism, more so being a good shooter, crafty, and flopping the **** out of driving to the basket to draw fouls (seriously looking like whiplash).

The good: perimeter playmaker, shooter, go-to option... Detroit need it all

[Entourage27]

Pistons trade: Will Bynum, Gigi Datome, and Tony Mitchell
Pistons receive: Jared Dudley

Clippers trade: Jared Dudley
Clippers receive: Will Bynum, Gigi Datome, 2nd rounder (heavily protected)

Heat trade: 2nd rounder (heavily protected)
Heat receive: Tony Mitchell

Why for Pistons?
We get rid of our garbage for a wing player who can fit right in with what we are trying to do. Dudley can hit the 3 from the corner consistently and is capable of playing a large role as a 3 and D player.

Why for Clippers?
With only Chris Paul and Jordan Farmar playing PG on the roster adding Will Bynum would be a great addition given Chris Pauls injury history. With Reggie Bullock taking minutes away from Dudley that leaves him expendable and Gigi is added for further depth at the wing position. Dudley is 2 years and Bynum and Datome are expirings which helps shed cap space for them. 2nd rounder is an added benefit.

Why for Heat?
They may never even lose the pic they trade and fill a roster spot out with a young expiring big man who still has potential.

Jennings / DJ / Dinwiddie
KCP / Meeks / Martin
Singler / Butler / Dudley
Monroe / Smith / Jerebko
Drummond / Gray

[jakebernat]

Pistons trade: Will Bynum, Gigi Datome, and Tony Mitchell
Pistons receive: Jared Dudley

Clippers trade: Jared Dudley
Clippers receive: Will Bynum, Gigi Datome, 2nd rounder (heavily protected)

Heat trade: 2nd rounder (heavily protected)
Heat receive: Tony Mitchell

Why for Pistons?
We get rid of our garbage for a wing player who can fit right in with what we are trying to do. Dudley can hit the 3 from the corner consistently and is capable of playing a large role as a 3 and D player.

Why for Clippers?
With only Chris Paul and Jordan Farmar playing PG on the roster adding Will Bynum would be a great addition given Chris Pauls injury history. With Reggie Bullock taking minutes away from Dudley that leaves him expendable and Gigi is added for further depth at the wing position. Dudley is 2 years and Bynum and Datome are expirings which helps shed cap space for them. 2nd rounder is an added benefit.

Why for Heat?
They may never even lose the pic they trade and fill a roster spot out with a young expiring big man who still has potential.

Jennings / DJ / Dinwiddie
KCP / Meeks / Martin
Singler / Butler / Dudley
Monroe / Smith / Jerebko
Drummond / Gray

not bad...not bad at all. i think dudley would win the starting SF spot. pretty good trade all around, good job!

[Phenomenonsense]

What's your guys thoughts on this S&T idea for Monroe?

BOS: Jared Sullinger -Gerald Wallace -1st round pick

DET: Monroe

Gives you guys Sully, who's very comparable to Greg statistically and is 22 under a very cost friendly contract and I would think would pair well with Andre and could come off the bench. And GWall sucks but he still plays average defense at the SF position but you get a 1st to make up for that crap contract.

Celtics get Monroe and can experiment with him at 5 because we have nobody but an older less productive guy in Zeller at that position.

Tried to be fair to both sides, looking for your guy's input.


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I don't see why we would do it for one pick. We take on Wallace's terrible contract which in it self is worth a pick, but then there is also the disparity of ability between Monroe and Sullinger. I would consider Wallace, Pick, Olynyk, and another asset. I want nothing to do with Sullinger, and I don't really care if the "other asset" is another pick or a young player (I have no idea who is on your roster that is a young talent so if there isn't one then I'd go for another pick. Not that you guys don't have 19 picks over the next 5 years.)

[sc8581]

Appreciate the feedback, it's funny because those on the Celtics Forum are killing me because they think its way too much for Monroe...

But even so I personally wouldn’t mind something like Sully and Green plus any combination of non-guaranteed contracts in Babb, Chris Johnson, and Phil Pressy to get up to whatever number Monroe is trying to sign for.

That gives you a Green-Smith-Drummond frontcourt with Sully off the bench which is a pretty daunting big rotation. IMO Monroe would actually play better from the 5, kind of like a skinny Big Al and as a 5 he would command 12-13M, even 14M wouldn’t be crazy looking at other center’s contracts. But DET has already one of if not the best Center prospect in the NBA in Drummond so it just wouldn’t make that much sense to sign him for that money. Monroe at the 5 will mitigate his lateral quickness issues when covering what is now the norm in smaller, quicker, “Stretch 4s” and would only present mismatches at 5 for say the handful of teams using a traditional big 5 like say the Pacers. But CHA showed the NBA you can constrct a top 5 defense with an average defender at the Center position which I see at the worst Monroe projects to be as a full time 5.

Personally I would be satisfied with a Monroe for Green and Sully swap but I'm not sure if that would be general consensus around here. Your Monroe/Jefferson comparison is slightly flawed in my opinion. They are both skilled and do all of their damage in the paint and both very good rebounders but Big Al is a much better scorer and shot blocker, plus he really stepped up his defense this past year. Monroe just doesn't have the length to ever be what Al is or have that type of effect on the game.

Sully would be a very nice fit coming off the bench next to Drummond or Smith and Green though not perfect would still bring multiple things we don't currently have at the SF position.

Drummond/Sully
Smith/Sully/Jerebko
Green/Butler/Singler
Meeks/KCP
Jennings/Augustine

[KJandHondo35]

Okay guys, you've been fun to bounce ideas off of, but how about this home run?

Rondo- Any combo of Non-Guarantees (Bogans 5M, Babb, Chris Johnson, Pressy)
for
Monroe- KCP- 2015 1st

Rondo is our best player entering his prime (albeit with injury concerns) but still put up 12-5-10 in the 30 games back over 33.3 minutes per game. I think DET could stand to improve with a ball movement PG setting up Smoove and especially Drummond and pulling Jennings off the ball might allow him to be more reliable as a spot up shooter. I think Rondo’s clearly publicized friendship with Smoove also makes him resigning with you at seasons end highly likely, not to mention playing with a budding All-Star in Drummond.

Celtics basically set the table for Smart but get a young/reliable big in Monroe, plus a pure raw potential SG scorer with size (unlike Avery). Just a thought I had that I feel could benefit DET immediately and still give the Celtics some building blocks for the future.