The Trade Thread

[pistontr]

or http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxql7mb

[sc8581]

or http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxql7mb

I don't think that's a good deal for anyone but Washington

[mercury]

The Spurs might consider Leonard for Monroe... they'll need to find a successor for TD... they won't get their future center via the draft or FA (til 15/16).
The fact that Leonard is out helps the Pistons keep their pick.

[Kilo]

How much is Leonard a product of the SA system/culture and would he be just as successful in our circus?

[mercury]

How much is Leonard a product of the SA system/culture and would he be just as successful in our circus?

A valid point... still like the fact that he defends and is an adequate shooter.
It's not that Monroe deserves to be traded more than Smith, we have to face the fact that Smith is here until he's expiring... we can only hope that he's better at PF (hardly a stretch).
Greg will not become a better defender at PF... he could improve his range... if this doesn't happen we're stuck with teams packing the paint which always gives the opponent another defender in the paint which is far more detrimental than his individual matchups.

[Golfer1081]

Crazy trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ljtagpk

Starting five of Thomas-Stuckey-Gay-Smith-Cousins I'd love to see that fail For that reason, Sac doesn't touch this. I like for Detroit and Utah.

Ahh,the Gay Smith Cousins..yeah, would rather not getbband, but there's a joke there.

[pistontr]

or http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxql7mb

I don't think that's a good deal for anyone but Washington

it is good for us. we would have wing players who can shoot and defend. aslo jammer nelson is way better defender and shooter than jennings.
i think that it is ok for orlando. because they don't want afflola's contract because of oladipo and don't like jameer. stuckey is contract year. that mean cap room for them.

[Golfer1081]

Terry Foster was just talking on the radio about a weird vibe going on at Pistons practice. He thinks they are making a move and that its going to be Monroe. Its all just his 'hunch' though, no actual inside info, so make of it what you will.

He also mentioned he thinks they want to make a push for not just the playoffs, but one of the higher seeds to where they have a chance to win a series, and they could be looking for a piece that can get them there. He said they would likely look to get a SF who can shoot and allow Smith to move to PF.

Jeff Green had a monster game last night 39 pts, 9 rebs, and 3 steals on 8-16 3FG. With Boston shopping him and knowing Joe has iiked Green ever since he was drafted, I could see Joe/Ainge making that deal, personally.

Would it be a major talent upgrade that will change our season? no, probably more of a lateral move talent-wise, but in terms of fit, Green would fit so much better and that could make a big difference in the season. I'd love to get Carmelo or Rondo, but Green would probably be the next best consolation prize.

I like Green, but we better not be moving Monroe for him.

And unless we trade CV/Jerebko for Melo.....there's not a trade out there that could make us contenders in the lowly East.

No one said anything about making a trade to make us contenders.

Monroe is not any better than Green, tbh. He's more valuable because he's a younger big man, but in terms of impact and production, they are essentially the same talents, just different positions. When you consider Monroe will be a 14 mil/yr player this time next year, Green at 8 mil/yr for around the same production suddenly sounds a lot better. Not to mention that he fits better too.

Someone mentioned on the GB though that perhaps Ainge would be more interested in Smith than Monroe, because of Rondo. Which is something I haven't heard much, because people say no one else wanted Smith this summer, but they forget that the Celtics wanted him at Rondo's request. So if they are looking to keep Rondo longterm now, and he's pushing to get Smith there, that could be something to watch as well. Because of that, I could see Ainge being interested in either of them - Smith or Monroe - for Green.

Boston has a bunch of young pf, they need a center. I think the Rondo friend thing is a little overblown. celtics would much rather have Monroe, and I don't see Detoit getting more than Green and a pick from anywhere else( Boston does have a trade exempt also).

[paQo the BAWSER]

Smith for Wallace, now.

In the best case, if we give the chance of be a starter to Wallace, he works and play like a professional, and he's a very good defender and more SF than PF, and he doesn't take too many shots, which translate like more shots for Monroe, Drummond and KCP.

In the worst case, he is cheaper and one year less contract than Smith.

We still ain't got shooters, but we can improve our defense and our offense.

[sfballa13]

Smith for Wallace, now.

In the best case, if we give the chance of be a starter to Wallace, he works and play like a professional, and he's a very good defender and more SF than PF, and he doesn't take too many shots, which translate like more shots for Monroe, Drummond and KCP.

In the worst case, he is cheaper and one year less contract than Smith.

We still ain't got shooters, but we can improve our defense and our offense.

Smith + Datome
for
Wallace + Green

No way i take Wallace OVER Smith unless something else comes back

Another deal Id do is:
Smith+ Useless Trash (Datome+Bynum+Jerebko)
for
Wallace + Bass
Boston doesnt really lose anyone significant off their roster but still gets a much better bang for their buck than paying Wallace and Bass 16M a year

[paQo the BAWSER]

I say to y'all right now, all of them who are saying Datome is trash... I only hope Datome don't get back to Europe, and he can play with a decent role in a team in the nba (or in our team if we had a decent coach)...

He's better than Singler, Delfino, Belinelli and other guys who had a decent role in the nba. Our coach is the worst in the nba and he don't take him confidence, but I can claim to you, he's more athletic, better shooter, and smarter than of those guys. He's more nearly to the Gallinari's level than those guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmMwXl7hadw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey9XRvxdEQM

Don't think all the europeans guys are Darko Milicic, there are a very good players here.

[DBC10]

I say to y'all right now, all of them who are saying Datome is trash... I only hope Datome don't get back to Europe, and he can play with a decent role in a team in the nba (or in our team if we had a decent coach)...

He's better than Singler, Delfino, Belinelli and other guys who had a decent role in the nba. Our coach is the worst in the nba and he don't take him confidence, but I can claim to you, he's more athletic, better shooter, and smarter than of those guys. He's more nearly to the Gallinari's level than those guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmMwXl7hadw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey9XRvxdEQM

Don't think all the europeans guys are Darko Milicic, there are a very good players here.

I agree in a way. I don't think its completely fair to assess him without giving him actual playing time. From what I've seen on his offense, he's been solid and has good handles for a guy that big. Also he has good court vision from what it looks like. He needs more playing time IMO.

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[Kilo]

Completely out of left field, but would NYK do Bargnani for Josh Smith straight up?

Why for us - Bargs is signed only through next season, and is probably out for awhile this season (helps the tank) and when he comes back he can come off our bench without much fuss.

Why for Knicks - they have to win now given they traded away their first rounder without any protections. Josh plays PF for them beside Chandler and Melo in the front court, Amare can come off their bench at the 4/5.

[Piston Pete]

Make it JSmoove and Bynum for Bargs/Hardaway/pick?

[Damon_3388]

Does anyone think the Bucks would accept a Charlie V for Caron Butler swap straight up? I know Butler is expiring at the end of the year (and they can easily just not re-sign him), but all he's really doing in Milwaukee is taking minutes and touches away from their young guys. Despite his big game against us the other night, he really hasn't been playing that well for them either (really hasn't been anything over than bog average since he left Dallas TBH). Kind of begs the question of "well why would we want him", but I think he could balance out our lineup a bit and gives us another wing guy who can score and defend, even if it's only until the end of the year.

If we could somehow prise Luke Ridnour (who is also expiring) from them as well, I'd be pretty pleased. Not sure why they wouldn't be looking to offload both of those guys, because as I said, all they're really doing is taking minutes and touches away from their younger brigade.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Completely out of left field, but would NYK do Bargnani for Josh Smith straight up?

Why for us - Bargs is signed only through next season, and is probably out for awhile this season (helps the tank) and when he comes back he can come off our bench without much fuss.

Why for Knicks - they have to win now given they traded away their first rounder without any protections. Josh plays PF for them beside Chandler and Melo in the front court, Amare can come off their bench at the 4/5.

A trade with Smith+Stuckey x Stoudamire+Shumpert has more sense for both teams, I think could be a win-win trade.

[jaredtyshaf]

It's obvious we need to trade Moose or Smoove. Obviously trading Smith for a positive return would be ideal, but I am pretty sure he is viewed as a negative asset at this point due to his contract and poor production this season. Monroe on the other hand could potentially net us a major upgrade at SF or SG.

I guess the biggest question is, does Monroe's enhanced trade value out weigh being stuck with Smith at PF for a marginal downgrade at the position or should we just dump Smith's contract and bet on Moose being an elite PF?

[ComboGuardCity]

Detroit out: Jennings, Smith, Charlie V(Expiring)
Detroit in: Rondo, Green, Wallace

Why for Detroit? Undo their mistakes and take a gamble on a recovering Rondo, while eating Gerald's horrible contract.
Rondo has not looked the same in terms of explosiveness and its been 12 months. The Pistons look awful and the Nets are desperate.

Nets out: Lopez
Nets in: Josh Smith

Why for the Nets? They get a guy who would fit like a glove next to KG and give them a chance to take on the Heat.


Boston Out: Rondo, Green, Wallace
Boston in: Charlie V, Jennings, Lopez

Why for Boston? Get rid of both Jeff Green and Wallace. They also hop on board the full tank getting rid of Rondo. In addition, they get Jennings, who Stevens can work with, while also stealth tanking with an injured Brook. Can be a Top 5 playoff team again by next season with Jennings-Bradley-Wiggins-Sullinger-Lopez

[paQo the BAWSER]

Amare Stoudamire+Shumpert x Stuckey+Smith

Why? The Knicks are trying (and failing) to win now, they can get a lot better with this trade. The Pistons get a undersized SF/SG with a good (not great) shot and a very good defense, and dump 2 years of the Smith's contract in exchange for Amare's contract (2 years less)

[Kilo]

^Swap in Bargnani for Amare and they might consider it IMO.