Trade for Westbrook?

[edmunder_prc]

The hope is that with a better bench, a real SF who can guard plus catch and shoot and a real back up for Blake the team can play.

Rose will play good minutes. He could win us a few games alone. Markieff can rest Blake, thats the hope. Maybe even load manage him a little. If Doumbouya doesnt suck it would be nice for some back to back for Markieff to start.

Last year there wasnt a SF or a backup 4. Really everything improved except backup center. Reggie is in a contract year and likely will try harder and get traded.

There is actual hope and we want to bring in Westbrook?

Now pf course the hope is 5th seed. Maybe get lucky and go on to the second round.

But thats without mortgaging the future. Its still a 5th seed with Westbrook except now the team is doomed in 3-4 years. The last year or two of that contract is going to be bad.

I said it before: getting Westbrook means doubling down with Drummond. If there is any success with Westbrook, then Gores will try to keep it together and Dre is fools gold. Hes another poor contract.

[Neptune]

Come on Ed, make this team an eastern conference contender! Sitting around being 8th seed is lame!

[The Penguin]

I think the bigger hang up with Miami is financial. Miami is at the apron, so they can’t take more in. OKC would want to get out of the tax with a Westbrook move. So a third team would need to be incentivized to make it happen. Suiters for that at this point would demand a premium neither team is likely currently willing to pay.

[Snakebites]

I think the bigger hang up with Miami is financial. Miami is at the apron, so they can’t take more in. OKC would want to get out of the tax with a Westbrook move. So a third team would need to be incentivized to make it happen. Suiters for that at this point would demand a premium neither team is likely currently willing to pay.

I'm surprised more isn't discussed about how questionable a job the Heat have done managing their roster since the big 3 broke up. Picks owed, mediocre team, crazy high payroll. Yeesh. Questionable is being kind.

This isn't a team we want to be in a bidding war with.

[DetroitDon15]

I think the bigger hang up with Miami is financial. Miami is at the apron, so they can’t take more in. OKC would want to get out of the tax with a Westbrook move. So a third team would need to be incentivized to make it happen. Suiters for that at this point would demand a premium neither team is likely currently willing to pay.

I'm surprised more isn't discussed about how questionable a job the Heat have done managing their roster since the big 3 broke up. Picks owed, mediocre team, crazy high payroll. Yeesh. Questionable is being kind.

This isn't a team we want to be in a bidding war with.

I agree with you. My stance on the Westbrook has changed. I’d pass on acquiring him and try to send Blake to GSW for D-Lo in December when he can be traded. I’d be cool with having D-Lo and Drummond to build/figure out. I’m not high on Drummond but he’s young enough I guess.

[Han Solo]

I was all on board with getting RW. Now I’m leaning towards doing what teams like OKC are doing. We should trade Blake and Drummond. Drummond is gone after this season. And this is the most we wi ever get for Blake. If we do it now we will suck bad enough for a top 5 pick. If we do it at the deadline we will be at least .500 and still picking in that 7-15 range.

[coordinator0]

I think the bigger hang up with Miami is financial. Miami is at the apron, so they can’t take more in. OKC would want to get out of the tax with a Westbrook move. So a third team would need to be incentivized to make it happen. Suiters for that at this point would demand a premium neither team is likely currently willing to pay.

With Oklahoma City trading Grant to Denver and no salary coming back they're not far over the tax. Something like $1.6 million.

But yeah, a deal between them and Miami won't be real clean. Dragic, Olynyk, and Johnson is more than enough outgoing salary for Miami but the Thunder wouldn't want all of them, needing a re-route somewhere. Or Oklahoma City sends someone on their current roster somewhere else like Roberson or Patterson.

It will be interesting to see if the Thunder move Schroder now too.

[edmunder_prc]

Blake for DLO would be great.

GSW play Draymond at the 4 enough minutes it wouldn’t work. He and Blake might be good together as a small ball type team but GSW still have a traditional center for half the game.

[Cowology]

Trading for Westbrook is a terrible idea. It pushes us 1 tier higher, which is still a notch below elite, while completely hamstringing any future flexibilty. That said, it would be a more exciting team to watch next season.

I mostly just feel apathetic towards the whole thing. Like even if we did exactly what I don't want us to do I'll just sorta shrug my shoulders and go "yep". But there was probably a good 10-12 years in a row there where my homer status had me excited and I over projected our wins in the offseason. I lean more towards gloom and doom these days.

[DBC10]

Blake for DLO would be great.

GSW play Draymond at the 4 enough minutes it wouldn’t work. He and Blake might be good together as a small ball type team but GSW still have a traditional center for half the game.

Blake for DLO would be really great. He's still plenty young and if it doesn't work out, trade him to Minny in a year since they all but lusted after him last month.

But like Han mentioned, Blake's value is probably at the highest right now, since he still finished right along his usual scoring averages but bumped up more offensive versatility than in the past. Teams would look at that and bite.

[Rodya]

Just echoing prior sentiments, this entire Westbrook situation will be indicative of how Ed Stefanski is or isn't able to manage Tom Gores. Specifically, Gore's his lack of patience and historically unbridled expectations.

It's difficult to blame an owner who is willing to spend, particularly in a market like Detroit. I also can't blame an owner for swinging for the fences to put together a competitive product. Nonetheless, those rare opportunities to improve the team should be spent on players who actually fit our system.

I don't care about Westbrook's contract, Detroit will forever overpay for All-Star Talent (see Blake Griffin) and we'd unlikely attract another tier one max contract player in the future. His age and contract length also are deterrents. Despite his style of play, he's proven incredibly healthy and consistent.

What does bother me is his complete lack of shooting and redundant skill sets with players already on the team. He's a great rebounder, but we don't particularly need much from the back court with Blake and Drummond up front. He's a great playmaker, but he's not going to be as heavily relied upon as he was in OKC, since Blake is most effective as a point forward. With him on the court, presumably, the majority of his minutes will come with Blake and Drummond on the floor. Simply put, he isn't even a decent compliment to either of them.

Of course, he's an upgrade from Jackson, but not a sufficiently large one to justify the financial handicap he'll place on this franchise for the next four years. Let Miami team him up with Butler.

[Neptune]

Why would GSW trade for Blake when him and Draymond play the same position. They wouldn't play Draymond full-time at the 5. Plus Blake gets paid too much to come off the bench. That deal isnt even realistic.

[Neptune]

I was all on board with getting RW. Now I’m leaning towards doing what teams like OKC are doing. We should trade Blake and Drummond. Drummond is gone after this season. And this is the most we wi ever get for Blake. If we do it now we will suck bad enough for a top 5 pick. If we do it at the deadline we will be at least .500 and still picking in that 7-15 range.

Who told you Dre was leaving?

[Han Solo]

I was all on board with getting RW. Now I’m leaning towards doing what teams like OKC are doing. We should trade Blake and Drummond. Drummond is gone after this season. And this is the most we wi ever get for Blake. If we do it now we will suck bad enough for a top 5 pick. If we do it at the deadline we will be at least .500 and still picking in that 7-15 range.

Who told you Dre was leaving?

He is literally the top free agent available next offseason and he’s been booed by Detroit fans for years. He gone.

[Snakebites]

I'll believe he'll walk away from that cash when I see it.

He's not getting anything close to that amount of money per year anywhere.

[Neptune]

I was all on board with getting RW. Now I’m leaning towards doing what teams like OKC are doing. We should trade Blake and Drummond. Drummond is gone after this season. And this is the most we wi ever get for Blake. If we do it now we will suck bad enough for a top 5 pick. If we do it at the deadline we will be at least .500 and still picking in that 7-15 range.

Who told you Dre was leaving?

He is literally the top free agent available next offseason and he’s been booed by Detroit fans for years. He gone.

Dre will retire a Piston. Yall gotta get used to it. Gores will pay that man more than opposing teams!

[Canadafan]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2019/07/09/detroit-pistons-should-take-their-best-shot-russell-westbrook/1683220001/

[BadMofoPimp]

I think the bigger hang up with Miami is financial. Miami is at the apron, so they can’t take more in. OKC would want to get out of the tax with a Westbrook move. So a third team would need to be incentivized to make it happen. Suiters for that at this point would demand a premium neither team is likely currently willing to pay.

I'm surprised more isn't discussed about how questionable a job the Heat have done managing their roster since the big 3 broke up. Picks owed, mediocre team, crazy high payroll. Yeesh. Questionable is being kind.

This isn't a team we want to be in a bidding war with.

I bet Miami is working with multiple teams trying to work up a creative trade financially.

[Canadafan]

With him on the court, presumably, the majority of his minutes will come with Blake and Drummond on the floor. Simply put, he isn't even a decent compliment to either of them.

Of course, he's an upgrade from Jackson, but not a sufficiently large one to justify the financial handicap he'll place on this franchise for the next four years. Let Miami team him up with Butler.

I could see him really enhancing Drummonds impact on the game. Andre hasn't really had a good PG....ever. Pick and roll between the two of them would be ridiculous. Just Westbrook's demeanor would be enough to finally light a fire under his ass. Or maybe he'd crumble under the pressure and start crying You know he'd be on him to not be a lazy slug
Him and Blake taking turns would be amazing to watch. Blake would still be our closer. Westbrook gets us the easy buckets with his drives to the net and kickouts to our "shooters"
Just do it Gores.
RJ Galloway Thon (all expirings) plus "the great" Sekou 18yr old
Or
RJ Galloway Snell plus our 2020 1st rounder

We would need to sign a vet minimum SF and maybe C if we did 2nd option

[Kalamazoo317]

Why would GSW trade for Blake when him and Draymond play the same position. They wouldn't play Draymond full-time at the 5. Plus Blake gets paid too much to come off the bench. That deal isnt even realistic.

Durant and Draymond fit together. Why wouldn't Blake and Draymond? They played Durant at the 4 and Draymond at the 3 with a traditional center plenty, and dropped the center and moved Draymond to the 5 when they wanted to go small. They could do the same exact thing with Blake. If anything, he's a much better fit for their offense than Dlo and plays as much defense.

With similar contracts for the both of them, only Dlo being younger makes me think they shouldn't also throw in a pick if we were to swing that.

I think Blake for Dlo would be a coup for both teams.