Free Agency

[LaSheed]

Wow Monk off the board too. (I'm glad) Man o man Free Agency isn't what it once was that's for sure. Makes hitting on your draft picks that much more critical.

I just want to grab Caleb Martin & Naji Marshall and call it a day. Absorb bad deals but actually get an asset or over pay 1 year deals in FA.

I can't recall a player leaving the Heat and maintaining their form but between Martin, Marshall, Monk, Melton, Jonas V, Bridges, Jones and Tobias we might actually be better served looking at teams at or above the tax apron and getting value players that way.



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I'd say Max Strus is OK. I get the Heat concerns. Valid. Seems they pull people out of the stands and in 2 months they are rotational players.

If we get rotational worthy players and actual assets I'm very ok with that plan.

I'm not doing the Joe Harris and a couple of 2nds to help you out deals anymore.

[dVs33]

Claxton is an elite rim protector. Hope the Pistons go above and beyond to nab him.

25 a year should do it.

Defensive Field Goal % within 6 feet of the rim:

Duren: 63.1%
Claxton: 55.6%
Stewart: 52.3%
Gobert: 49.4%

There are levels to this. Pure shot blocking stats don't tell the whole story. Like I said, his elite skill is switching onto smaller players, which is nice to have, but he still gives up quite a lot inside.

I like claxton, but JD still has a lot more potential and he's under team control for a few years. Let him develop and make a decision on him when we need to.
He's has 2 coaches in 2 years and he's still very young. We need to develop guys.

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[theBigLip]

Monk is staying w Sacramento. Strike him from the list.

[LaSheed]

I fully expect Hartenstein to do the same as Monk and resign for the max Knicks can offer.

Claxton I'm sure will resign with Nets but interesting decision to make if they decide to blow it up. Although my non interest in him is known.

[7r5ur]

Seems like Orlando is zeroing in on Paul George, so the Monk market was going to dry up fast. So I guess it makes sense for him to just lock-in to a good situation.

I'm happy he's not coming here, but it's not great that capped-out teams are re-signing their guys. Too much cap space around and no one to give it to.

Seems like if Philly can't land OG they're kinda cooked, or am I missing something there? Are they gonna be the Zach Lavine/Ingram landing spot?

[Mr Peanut]

We might as well just accept that we're going to be the team to pay Tobias Harris.

[bstein14]

Monk on a pretty reasonable deal back with the Kings. I said for a while I didn't like Monk at 4 years $100 million but that I'd like him for four years 4 years $80 million and he ended up getting 4 years $78 million with a player option in year four. That's a solid rate for him for being one of the league's best 6th men as MLE $ is about $13, $14, $15, $16 (4 years $58) he's getting about $5 million more than MLE per year.

My preference was always Tyus Jones over Monk, so we'll see if the former Duke Blue Devil is on the radar of TL or not.

[MotownMadness]

We might as well just accept that we're going to be the team to pay Tobias Harris.

No more than 2 years

[bstein14]

Not sure where it fits, but this is the deal we should offer Fontecchio. We have his early bird rights which allows us to pay MLE $ ($12.86m sarting) to him after we've sat on his cap hold. We also can offer increases or decreases of 8% since we're resigning our own player (its 5% if you sign someone else).

24-25: $12.5 million (just slightly below MLE $ starting out)
25-26: $11.5 million (maximum decrease is $1 million on a $12.5 million starting deal)
26-27: $10.5 million
27-28: $9.5 million
TOTAL 4 years $44 million

This type of deal gives him the most in year one but with those decreases it enables us to have a better more tradable asset as time goes on and also helps with our possible cap/luxury tax situation in future years. He's already 28 years old and will be 29 towards the early part of this upcoming season so age wise that contract runs from 29-32 which I think think could end up being a real value contract towards the end of the deal.

Even if it ends up being a slight overpay on our end it doesn't really impact our cap space this season and we'd be able to offer this after we've used all our cap space.

[MotownMadness]

It's gonna take a trade to climb out of this cellar

Need another guy on Cades level to start climbing

[bstein14]

It's gonna take a trade to climb out of this cellar

Need another guy on Cades level to start climbing

As bad as we are, we're always just one good trade, one good FA signing, and one good draft pick away from being a .500 team IMO.

If we draft a guy who ends up being ready day one and is the ROY, if we sign the right FA, and if we make the right trade (plus the right coaching hire this summer of course) we have a great chance to have a huge jump in the standings.

Jerami Grant + OG + Reed Sheppard + Bickerstaff?

Brandon Ingrahm + Tyus Jones + Clingan + James Borrego?

There is a correct combination of a trade + FA signing + draft pick + coaching hire that unlocks us and gets us there its just when you have to hit on 4 out of 4 things it because exponentially less likely that you are going to be able to do it.

Joe Dumars did it in 2002:

June 26th 2002: Draft Tayshaun Prince 23rd pick
July 17th 2002: Signed Chauncey Billups to a full MLE deal as a Free Agent
September 11th 2002: Traded Stackhouse for Richard Hamilton

We are that type of offseason away. Can we draft someone who comes in right away and is good and is a good starter in this league for us lor a long time. Can we sign someone with our cap space that ends up being an all-star level player for us. Can we make a trade for someone that ends up being an all-star level player for us. If so, the direction and trajectory of the franchise immediately changes.

[7r5ur]

We might as well just accept that we're going to be the team to pay Tobias Harris.

No more than 2 years

It might be Philly at this rate! If OG goes back to NY, and PG goes to ORL, who is Philly signing with all that cap?

[zeebneeb]

It's gonna take a trade to climb out of this cellar

Need another guy on Cades level to start climbing

As bad as we are, we're always just one good trade, one good FA signing, and one good draft pick away from being a .500 team IMO.

If we draft a guy who ends up being ready day one and is the ROY, if we sign the right FA, and if we make the right trade (plus the right coaching hire this summer of course) we have a great chance to have a huge jump in the standings.

Jerami Grant + OG + Reed Sheppard + Bickerstaff?

Brandon Ingrahm + Tyus Jones + Clingan + James Borrego?

There is a correct combination of a trade + FA signing + draft pick + coaching hire that unlocks us and gets us there its just when you have to hit on 4 out of 4 things it because exponentially less likely that you are going to be able to do it.

Joe Dumars did it in 2002:

June 26th 2002: Draft Tayshaun Prince 23rd pick
July 17th 2002: Signed Chauncey Billups to a full MLE deal as a Free Agent
September 11th 2002: Traded Stackhouse for Richard Hamilton

We are that type of offseason away. Can we draft someone who comes in right away and is good and is a good starter in this league for us lor a long time. Can we sign someone with our cap space that ends up being an all-star level player for us. Can we make a trade for someone that ends up being an all-star level player for us. If so, the direction and trajectory of the franchise immediately changes.

I read your post and immediately scoffed, but your absolutely correct.

The problem is that the Pistons front office(s) have been so bad, for so long, I don't see how it happens anymore. Yeah I know its all new, again, but with having the 5th pick, both your scenarios are unlikely.

In no particular order,

Sarr
Sheppard
Clingan
Risacher

Are all going to be gone before the Pistons pick.

This is before even mentioning OG, which also seems unlikely, seeing as how fast Monk left the board, does anyone really expect OG to be available by the time the Pistons can even make an offer?

Now I believe that the Pistons, as they are are already a much better team. Why? I firmly believe that Monty created a disaster from day one, and it snowballed into last seasons final record. Even Casey could have gotten 20 wins out of that group. So a new coach, in my opinion is already good for 5-10 more wins.

Who's your player pick @5 if the "big 4" are off the board?(they are all gonna be gone, lets face it)

I'm interested in peoples ideas for what the team looks like at the start of the season.

*sigh* even with the new front office and coach, its tough to see a clear path forward. Maybe just sign mid-low level free agents, and get better with trades after the season starts?

[MotownMadness]

We might as well just accept that we're going to be the team to pay Tobias Harris.

No more than 2 years

It might be Philly at this rate! If OG goes back to NY, and PG goes to ORL, who is Philly signing with all that cap?

DeRozan

[7r5ur]

No more than 2 years

It might be Philly at this rate! If OG goes back to NY, and PG goes to ORL, who is Philly signing with all that cap?

DeRozan

I still think the Bulls will try to bring him back for some reason, but could be a possibility!

[Mr Peanut]

We might as well just accept that we're going to be the team to pay Tobias Harris.

No more than 2 years

It might be Philly at this rate! If OG goes back to NY, and PG goes to ORL, who is Philly signing with all that cap?

With the way Sixers fans talk about him I think they would burn down the Wells Fargo Center if the team announced they were re-signing Tobias.

[MotownMadness]

No more than 2 years

It might be Philly at this rate! If OG goes back to NY, and PG goes to ORL, who is Philly signing with all that cap?

With the way Sixers fans talk about him I think they would burn down the Wells Fargo Center if the team announced they were re-signing Tobias.

Yeah I think that relationship is toast from both sides

[guldakot]

If we strike out on the big names I just want the FO to use our money to fill our team with NBA level talent. Naji Marshall, Tyus, KCP... there are a decent amount of guys out there to go get. Just having a roster of actual nba level talent top to bottom would do WONDERS for this team. Im sick and tired of reclamation projects and G-League players. A guy like Stanley Umude should be your 15th man, he started for us like what, 12 times last season?

Take a homerun swing in the draft (Buzelis, Saluan crap even Zach Eddy) if none of the top 4 are available, and develop them. In the meantime, just surround Cade with actual NBA level players instead of the garbage we have been trotting out. There is a crapload of potential on this team, it needs to be developed, and it needs the stability of MULITPLE NBA level vets.

For the love of God, unless its a no brainer (Mauri, BI, etc) do NOT trade our youth just because, all of these kids are going to massively benefit from stability and one of the best shooting coaches in the league.

I know its been literal hell pistons fans, but hopefully the long night is over and dawn will finally break this season.

[Kalamazoo317]

It's gonna take a trade to climb out of this cellar

Need another guy on Cades level to start climbing

As bad as we are, we're always just one good trade, one good FA signing, and one good draft pick away from being a .500 team IMO.

If we draft a guy who ends up being ready day one and is the ROY, if we sign the right FA, and if we make the right trade (plus the right coaching hire this summer of course) we have a great chance to have a huge jump in the standings.

Jerami Grant + OG + Reed Sheppard + Bickerstaff?

Brandon Ingrahm + Tyus Jones + Clingan + James Borrego?

There is a correct combination of a trade + FA signing + draft pick + coaching hire that unlocks us and gets us there its just when you have to hit on 4 out of 4 things it because exponentially less likely that you are going to be able to do it.

Joe Dumars did it in 2002:

June 26th 2002: Draft Tayshaun Prince 23rd pick
July 17th 2002: Signed Chauncey Billups to a full MLE deal as a Free Agent
September 11th 2002: Traded Stackhouse for Richard Hamilton

We are that type of offseason away. Can we draft someone who comes in right away and is good and is a good starter in this league for us lor a long time. Can we sign someone with our cap space that ends up being an all-star level player for us. Can we make a trade for someone that ends up being an all-star level player for us. If so, the direction and trajectory of the franchise immediately changes.

I read your post and immediately scoffed, but your absolutely correct.

The problem is that the Pistons front office(s) have been so bad, for so long, I don't see how it happens anymore. Yeah I know its all new, again, but with having the 5th pick, both your scenarios are unlikely.

In no particular order,

Sarr
Sheppard
Clingan
Risacher

Are all going to be gone before the Pistons pick.

This is before even mentioning OG, which also seems unlikely, seeing as how fast Monk left the board, does anyone really expect OG to be available by the time the Pistons can even make an offer?

Now I believe that the Pistons, as they are are already a much better team. Why? I firmly believe that Monty created a disaster from day one, and it snowballed into last seasons final record. Even Casey could have gotten 20 wins out of that group. So a new coach, in my opinion is already good for 5-10 more wins.

Who's your player pick @5 if the "big 4" are off the board?(they are all gonna be gone, lets face it)

I'm interested in peoples ideas for what the team looks like at the start of the season.

*sigh* even with the new front office and coach, its tough to see a clear path forward. Maybe just sign mid-low level free agents, and get better with trades after the season starts?

It's entirely possible that the best player in this draft is any one of like a dozen or more players. Could be Matas, could be Holland, could be Cody Williams, could be Castle, etc., etc. I don't think the top 4 are locked in by any means and they're even less guaranteed to actually be the best four players that come out of the draft.

There's also, btw, at least a remote possibility that our new shooting coach comes in and all our players start hitting threes at a 10% higher rate next season and that alone transforms us!

[7r5ur]

It might be Philly at this rate! If OG goes back to NY, and PG goes to ORL, who is Philly signing with all that cap?

With the way Sixers fans talk about him I think they would burn down the Wells Fargo Center if the team announced they were re-signing Tobias.

Yeah I think that relationship is toast from both sides

I remember seeing an article near the end of the season that was like "Don't..... rule it out". But yeah, after his final game donut it's hard to imagine.