Trade for Westbrook?

[Snakebites]

It’s complicated, but I get a sense they’ll work it out.

All it takes is a third team with some wiggle room and an interest in some secondary asset.

Westbrook to Miami will eventually happen once they’re done sparring over details.

[MotownMadness]

Miami signed Herro today - so he cannot be traded until August 10th now. Interesting.

I think they feel they have the best offer and didn't need to include Herro. And they can't include a FRP until 2025 as OKC already has their 2021 and 2023 FRP's. So their best offer is likely expiring Dragic, Justice Winslow and that 6 drafts away 2025 FRP.

We offer Expirings, Luke Kennard and a 2020 FRP and that is pretty comparable given the 6 year separation in pick years and more expirings and instant cap relief.

If they arent trading Herro or at least Bam the WTF are they even giving them? Feels like OKC is getting pretty screwed if they are just sending him there as a favor.

It really is tricky -

The Thunder ideally would like to take back salaries less than the $38.2 million that Westbrook will earn this coming season because OKC doesn’t want to increase its luxury tax payments. That’s a big deal for OKC, which is $2.25 million above the $132.6 million tax threshold and is subject to the punitive repeater tax if it stays over that threshold.

But because the Heat is hard capped at $138.9 million after the Jimmy Butler trade and won’t have space to sign any more players after eventually signing Tyler Herro, Miami cannot send out less money than it absorbs in a Westbrook trade. And the Heat needs to send out players earning at least a couple million dollars more than Westbrook’s $38.2 million if it’s a 3-for-1 trade.

Here’s why: Because the Heat likely will need to send OKC three players for Westbrook, Miami would be left with 12 players under contract if it’s a 3-for-1, instead of the 14 that will be under contract with the current roster after Herro signs.

Teams must have at least 13 players under contract by the first game of the regular season, meaning Miami would somehow need to find a way to trim additional salary to add a very cheap 13th player by mid-October. It would be OK, within league rules, for the Heat to have fewer than 13 players under contract before then.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article231883128.html

I'm not sure Miami can make it work. They need to send out Dragic, Winslow and then find a third team to take on Olynyk, Waiters or Johnson and send back less contract. Waiters, Olynyk and Johnson are all signed through NEXT season so dumping them will have a higher price as well. And as mentioned Miami cannot trade a FRP until 2025. Can't trade Meyers Leonard for 60 days.

Yeah i dont see Miami getting him.

[Kilo]

OKC's best play might be to wait until Dec 15th and get NYK involved. At this point in the off-season so much money is locked up and so many players cannot be moved. And this off-season has been more crazy than most so more money is locked up and more players blocked from being moved.

[Kilo]

We're in a bit of a tight spot as well as we're hard capped at 138M Tax Apron as well because of full MLE used to sign Rose. We're only about $1M below the tax, so we'd be 7M below the apron hardcap. We could send out 35M in salaries to Westbrook's 38M to get OKC out of the tax which is a goal of theirs but then that leaves us only 4M under the hard cap AND without the ability to move Snell we're making a 4-for-1 deal meaning we'd need to sign three players to minimum contracts to have the minimum of 13 players rostered.

Basically OKC needs to get off the idea they get under the tax with any Westbrook trade. They can still move Adams to shave off enough money, or Gallinari - they still have players with positive value. Besides they're 2M into the tax now and SURELY get out next season when Gallinari would be off the books. So it would be one more year of a repeater tax - it would be small given they're 2M over regardless of how many years they've been in it.

[MotownMadness]

We're in a bit of a tight spot as well as we're hard capped at 138M Tax Apron as well because of full MLE used to sign Rose. We're only about $1M below the tax, so we'd be 7M below the apron hardcap. We could send out 35M in salaries to Westbrook's 38M to get OKC out of the tax which is a goal of theirs but then that leaves us only 4M under the hard cap AND without the ability to move Snell we're making a 4-for-1 deal meaning we'd need to sign three players to minimum contracts to have the minimum of 13 players rostered.

Basically OKC needs to get off the idea they get under the tax with any Westbrook trade. They can still move Adams to shave off enough money, or Gallinari - they still have players with positive value. Besides they're 2M into the tax now and SURELY get out next season when Gallinari would be off the books. So it would be one more year of a repeater tax - it would be small given they're 2M over regardless of how many years they've been in it.

Or maybe buy out Galloway type expiring?

[Kilo]

We're in a bit of a tight spot as well as we're hard capped at 138M Tax Apron as well because of full MLE used to sign Rose. We're only about $1M below the tax, so we'd be 7M below the apron hardcap. We could send out 35M in salaries to Westbrook's 38M to get OKC out of the tax which is a goal of theirs but then that leaves us only 4M under the hard cap AND without the ability to move Snell we're making a 4-for-1 deal meaning we'd need to sign three players to minimum contracts to have the minimum of 13 players rostered.

Basically OKC needs to get off the idea they get under the tax with any Westbrook trade. They can still move Adams to shave off enough money, or Gallinari - they still have players with positive value. Besides they're 2M into the tax now and SURELY get out next season when Gallinari would be off the books. So it would be one more year of a repeater tax - it would be small given they're 2M over regardless of how many years they've been in it.

Or maybe buy out Galloway type expiring?

To get close enough to the 38M Westbrook number without Snell it's Jackson, Galloway, Kennard, Maker - 32.8M total outgoing vs 38.5M to Westbrook, means 5.7M to our salary cap taking us to 1.3M from the apron.

We really can't get there either. We could stretch Snell over four years to 5.5 M per season for next four seasons, to open up $5.5M in addition to the 1.3M room we had to have 6.8M but now we need to sign three players to get to roster minimum of 13 -

This would be our roster - Needing Three minimum contract players.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Brown|Thomas
Mykhailiuk|Douombouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond

With the Snell stretch we could do it adding three league minimum players for roughly 2M a piece. But I don't think we make the move and stretch Snell but rather include him (Reggie, Snell, Kennard is 33.3M) and then peddle Galloway for two players making his combined salary or less to get us to 13 players and under the apron.

[ComboGuardCity]

Every day that goes by, the closer we get to being able to trade Snell.

[DetroitDon15]

We're in a bit of a tight spot as well as we're hard capped at 138M Tax Apron as well because of full MLE used to sign Rose. We're only about $1M below the tax, so we'd be 7M below the apron hardcap. We could send out 35M in salaries to Westbrook's 38M to get OKC out of the tax which is a goal of theirs but then that leaves us only 4M under the hard cap AND without the ability to move Snell we're making a 4-for-1 deal meaning we'd need to sign three players to minimum contracts to have the minimum of 13 players rostered.

Basically OKC needs to get off the idea they get under the tax with any Westbrook trade. They can still move Adams to shave off enough money, or Gallinari - they still have players with positive value. Besides they're 2M into the tax now and SURELY get out next season when Gallinari would be off the books. So it would be one more year of a repeater tax - it would be small given they're 2M over regardless of how many years they've been in it.

Or maybe buy out Galloway type expiring?

To get close enough to the 38M Westbrook number without Snell it's Jackson, Galloway, Kennard, Maker - 32.8M total outgoing vs 38.5M to Westbrook, means 5.7M to our salary cap taking us to 1.3M from the apron.

We really can't get there either. We could stretch Snell over four years to 5.5 M per season for next four seasons, to open up $5.5M in addition to the 1.3M room we had to have 6.8M but now we need to sign three players to get to roster minimum of 13 -

This would be our roster - Needing Three minimum contract players.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Brown|Thomas
Mykhailiuk|Douombouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond

With the Snell stretch we could do it adding three league minimum players for roughly 2M a piece. But I don't think we make the move and stretch Snell but rather include him (Reggie, Snell, Kennard is 33.3M) and then peddle Galloway for two players making his combined salary or less to get us to 13 players and under the apron.

Stretch Snell? We gave up an expiring for him. It’s basically a deal for a nice Josh Smith hit to our Cap. Ugh

[Kilo]

Or maybe buy out Galloway type expiring?

To get close enough to the 38M Westbrook number without Snell it's Jackson, Galloway, Kennard, Maker - 32.8M total outgoing vs 38.5M to Westbrook, means 5.7M to our salary cap taking us to 1.3M from the apron.

We really can't get there either. We could stretch Snell over four years to 5.5 M per season for next four seasons, to open up $5.5M in addition to the 1.3M room we had to have 6.8M but now we need to sign three players to get to roster minimum of 13 -

This would be our roster - Needing Three minimum contract players.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Brown|Thomas
Mykhailiuk|Douombouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond

With the Snell stretch we could do it adding three league minimum players for roughly 2M a piece. But I don't think we make the move and stretch Snell but rather include him (Reggie, Snell, Kennard is 33.3M) and then peddle Galloway for two players making his combined salary or less to get us to 13 players and under the apron.

Stretch Snell? We gave up an expiring for him. It’s basically a deal for a nice Josh Smith hit to our Cap. Ugh

Which is why I don't think it happens. But we made that trade pre-Westbrook availability. I mean NYK signed all those PF's to 1+TO deals, eating up all their double max cap space and cannot trade any of them until Dec 15th now. How much do you think they wish this PG trade fall out happened right when free agency opened and was rumored/leaked before that?

We were "paid" 30th OA draft pick to take on Snell - we'd probably have to pay more to dump him on a 3rd team now.

I think we're too jammed up against the apron hard tax really to trade for Westbrook. Snell/Kennard/Jackson for Westbrook might leave us one vet minimum room under the apron. But we'd be locked in to 13 rostered players with no room to add any others in case of injury.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Brown|Galloway|Thomas
Mykhailiuk|Doumbouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond|Maker

We'd need a starting SF with the vet minimum.

[TPA]

To get close enough to the 38M Westbrook number without Snell it's Jackson, Galloway, Kennard, Maker - 32.8M total outgoing vs 38.5M to Westbrook, means 5.7M to our salary cap taking us to 1.3M from the apron.

We really can't get there either. We could stretch Snell over four years to 5.5 M per season for next four seasons, to open up $5.5M in addition to the 1.3M room we had to have 6.8M but now we need to sign three players to get to roster minimum of 13 -

This would be our roster - Needing Three minimum contract players.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Brown|Thomas
Mykhailiuk|Douombouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond

With the Snell stretch we could do it adding three league minimum players for roughly 2M a piece. But I don't think we make the move and stretch Snell but rather include him (Reggie, Snell, Kennard is 33.3M) and then peddle Galloway for two players making his combined salary or less to get us to 13 players and under the apron.

Stretch Snell? We gave up an expiring for him. It’s basically a deal for a nice Josh Smith hit to our Cap. Ugh

Which is why I don't think it happens. But we made that trade pre-Westbrook availability. I mean NYK signed all those PF's to 1+TO deals, eating up all their double max cap space and cannot trade any of them until Dec 15th now. How much do you think they wish this PG trade fall out happened right when free agency opened and was rumored/leaked before that?

We were "paid" 30th OA draft pick to take on Snell - we'd probably have to pay more to dump him on a 3rd team now.

I think we're too jammed up against the apron hard tax really to trade for Westbrook. Snell/Kennard/Jackson for Westbrook might leave us one vet minimum room under the apron. But we'd be locked in to 13 rostered players with no room to add any others in case of injury.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Brown|Galloway|Thomas
Mykhailiuk|Doumbouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond|Maker

We'd need a starting SF with the vet minimum.

Amir, Jerebko, or Lyle's?

[Canadafan]

Doesnt RJ Snell Galloway save them a few million this year?

[Kilo]

Doesnt RJ Snell Galloway save them a few million this year?

Saves OKC about 1.7M. They're about 2.2M over the tax, but really that shouldn't be a concern given how small they would be over and how surely they'll be under next season and beyond. Also they could trade Gallinari or Adams to get under if need be.

Reggie, Snell, Galloway and a FRP might be my new best offer though. Leaves us enough room under the apron for vet minimum signings and doesn't gut us.

Westbrook|Rose|Frazier
Kennard|Brown|Thomas
???|Mykhailiuk|Doumbouya
Griffin|Morris
Drummond|Maker

We'd be about $5M under the hard cap apron and could sign two vet minimum players for that price and still have room. Finding a SF with one of those contracts would be paramount though.

[freddy]

Could do

Jackson, Snell, Galloway (2 1sts) for
Westbrook, Nader and Burton

OKC gets $800k under the tax and we get some additional wing depth, and should still have room for one more vet min.

[Snakebites]

For better or worse for the Thunder's sake they do appear prepared to do "right" by Westbrook.

That means they're not going to pivot and send him to Detroit after it's been publicly known he likes Miami.

[GreekAlex]

For better or worse for the Thunder's sake they do appear prepared to do "right" by Westbrook.

That means they're not going to pivot and send him to Detroit after it's been publicly known he likes Miami.

I sure hope he gets his wish and this can all be over soon.

I like the engagement of the board with all the intrigue related to a potential Westbrook trade but I sure wish our board had this much action with other Pistons related topics.

[kellmellus50]

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[ThunderBolt]

For better or worse for the Thunder's sake they do appear prepared to do "right" by Westbrook.

That means they're not going to pivot and send him to Detroit after it's been publicly known he likes Miami.

I personally think that’s only true if Miami is making a reasonable offer. I don’t know what Detroit’s level of interest is and what their potential offer would be but Presti will hold out to get what he perceives is fair value for any player.

[haulerch]

Windhorst: Detroit is ‘certainly involved’.

[rmfc]

Windhorst: Detroit is ‘certainly involved’.

Oh, that guy?

Most probably means that Westbrook is not getting traded to Detroit.

[bstein14]

Thunder using Detroit as leverage to get a better deal from Miami.