Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher)

[ComboGuardCity]

Another bulls loss and another reason for me to build up the artificial rumors that the bulls will go all in for a ring this year. This is really a year when the league is wide open, especially the East.

it really would be great for both teams imo. not only does it give the bulls a chance to contend this season but everyone in their rotation would be returning next year (assuming lavine re-signs which seems inevitable). two seasons with a decent shot at the finals is a hard thing to pass up if i were them.

pretty much any other scenario would need to be a three-team trade to be anything close to win-win. with this trade we get to develop a struggling prospect and get some cap relief, while the bulls get to bolster their playoff roster.

And pure speculation but I think Williams being on the table is what Weaver is waiting for. He was reportedly really high on him pre-draft.

[zeebneeb]

Another bulls loss and another reason for me to build up the artificial rumors that the bulls will go all in for a ring this year. This is really a year when the league is wide open, especially the East.

it really would be great for both teams imo. not only does it give the bulls a chance to contend this season but everyone in their rotation would be returning next year (assuming lavine re-signs which seems inevitable). two seasons with a decent shot at the finals is a hard thing to pass up if i were them.

pretty much any other scenario would need to be a three-team trade to be anything close to win-win. with this trade we get to develop a struggling prospect and get some cap relief, while the bulls get to bolster their playoff roster.

And pure speculation but I think Williams being on the table is what Weaver is waiting for. He was reportedly really high on him pre-draft.

This is what I was speculating on earlier. I think Weaver has offers on the table(I know he does. Probably not what he wants)and is going to wait until the last minute, waiting on the Bulls to decide.

I don't think the Bulls do it though. I thinks its astoundingly stupid not to take your shot, but maybe they don't believe that this current Bulls team is a real contender. I can't believe they would purposely hold on to a second year player, hoping he becomes Barnes, or Grant for a title run.

I'm starting to think Weaver is going to make a huge mistake. Not allowing Cade to truly own the team, is going to be a massive mistake.

[A_dub06]

You know who I’d love to get on this team as our starting centre of the future, Jaxson Hayes. I wonder if he’s available and what we would need to give up. Yes I’m aware he’s been charged with domestic violence and police battery but I’d still go for it. Dude is really athletic and runs like a much smaller player, good defensive presence around the rim and also looks like he can switch onto the perimeter a little, developing shooting stroke even hitting 3’s and decent at free throws for a big. Skills wise there’s a lot to like about him, it’s just the off court stuff that’s an issue. I honestly can’t recall the last time I’ve seen a seven foot centre run like that

[breezypeezy]

Of course I may be wrong, but it feels like no-one is gettin moved.

[Manocad]

Levert got the Cavs 2022 1st and two 2nds plus Rubio.

Seriously Weaver is unable to trade Grant for a 2022 1st, two 2nds and filler?

I see two issues here:

A) The NBA sees that Grant is not any good, really a 4th/5th option, clean up guy, defender and making $20 million is an issue.

B) Grant was pretty good for the 1st half of last season and Weaver is convinced Grant will come back and be a reliable 2nd guy on a NBA Finals team like Middleton, Klay Thompson, Lowry, etc. I dont see it, but who knows Im only right like 80% of the time ha!

This looks like Weaver's thing. Give guys a deal and then need to trade them because they arent good, dont fit or something. Plumlee and Grant were Weaver's 1st big moves, along with Hayes.

Cam Reddish was able to net a 1st round draft pick from the bottom feeder knicks and he has 6DNP for the knicks since the trade

Levert is garbage side by side with Grant making almost the same amount next season. Cavs didnt just get a first they got a Rockets 2nd which is like a late first/early second, plus another 2nd.

Telling me that the Pistons couldnt have gotten the same deal from the Cavs? Save a little money, get another guard to put next to Cade instead of shoe-horning Grant at the 4 or letting him start at the 3 taking minutes away from Bey while getting picks as incentive.

As far as Christian Wood is concerned, Id much rather have him on the Pistons instead of Stewart. He wanted to stay on the Pistons and Weaver told him to kick rocks.

Bottom line there are picks and young assets out there for the taking and Weaver is refusing to trade Grant because he's "his guy"

Same exact reason why Killian Trashbags is getting consistent minutes - refuses to admit his mistake.

Quote the source that Weaver turned down a Grant trade. The idea that if Weaver wants to a make a trade then it WILL happen, thus if he didn't make a trade it's only because he didn't want to is nonsense.

You know why Weaver didn't make a Levert-like deal for Grant? Likely because one wasn't offered. Like I like to say, this isn't Occam's razor. Sometimes the answer that's right in front of your face IS the answer.

[mattao313]

Despite widespread interest in Jerami Grant from Washington, Los Angeles, Utah, Chicago, Minnesota and others, it seems unlikely any rival team will be willing or able to meet Detroit's lofty asking price of multiple first-round picks. Grant has a strong relationship with Pistons general manager Troy Weaver, and there have been clear indications of Weaver's interest in keeping Grant entrenched within Detroit's rebuild, sources said. If Grant is not dealt before the deadline, there remains a strong possibility the Pistons will revisit Grant trade scenarios around the NBA draft.

That was in that Jake Fischer article. Are they being to greedy?

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[Piston Pete]

And who is to say definitively either way??

One side says prove x and y offers were made and turned down….

And the other side says prove that no offers were made….


The only thing we know if that Grant would make sense (on paper) on a handful of playoff-level team and it would seem realistic that the grounds for a deal could be mutual.

[Rodman]

There was an interesting comment attributed to Cade. He was asked out of the big three in the upcoming draft who was his preference. His answer was Banchero. Why? Because he affects winning was Cade's quote. Interesting. Which brings me to Grant and most NBA players Grant simply does not affect winning. They can run jump and score but he doesn't do enough to affect winning. Actually few do. But to be a 1st or 2nd option on a contending team much more is needed than to be an inefficient scorer.

[NYPiston]

Levert got the Cavs 2022 1st and two 2nds plus Rubio.

Seriously Weaver is unable to trade Grant for a 2022 1st, two 2nds and filler?

I see two issues here:

A) The NBA sees that Grant is not any good, really a 4th/5th option, clean up guy, defender and making $20 million is an issue.

B) Grant was pretty good for the 1st half of last season and Weaver is convinced Grant will come back and be a reliable 2nd guy on a NBA Finals team like Middleton, Klay Thompson, Lowry, etc. I dont see it, but who knows Im only right like 80% of the time ha!

This looks like Weaver's thing. Give guys a deal and then need to trade them because they arent good, dont fit or something. Plumlee and Grant were Weaver's 1st big moves, along with Hayes.

I think the issue is that Weaver is too attached to Grant and probably overvalues him as a result, I think there's probably a good enough market out there.

The whole "I chose Detroit because it's a black city, run by a black GM and black coach" thing probably means a ton to Weaver which is a bit silly if you ask me because I don't think feelings should come into play when making franchise altering decisions but I see Weaver as a culture builder moreso than a savvy GM so I think he values character over what would probably be a smarter business decision in this case. Of course I could be wrong about all of this and Grant won't be a Piston in 2 days but it's just a feeling I have about the situation.

[Kilo]

Grant choo-choo-chooses Detroit...

[Sort]

I hope nobody is wishing we had Levert. I'm not outside of the possibility that he can be in the right team, right situation and be solid NBA player, but that surely isn't here. We don't need yet another player going iso as Cade watches.

In terms of what Indiana got was to pay Rubio, a late first, and two seconds. It's fine. Levert's not a game changer for most teams, but that's nothing special, and if that's what Pistons could get for Grant, I'd rather just have Grant.

[Piston Pete]

To New Orleans:
McCollum
Nance
Snell


To Portland:
Josh Hart
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Tomas Satoransky
draft compensation

[mattao313]

To New Orleans:
McCollum
Nance
Snell


To Portland:
Josh Hart
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Tomas Satoransky
draft compensation

They got a 1st and a 2nd

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[Manocad]

I don't get the speculation that Weaver wants to keep Grant because of the reasons Grant came to Detroit. They are not the same thing. Weaver even said right up front that Grant could become a trade asset. Now, when I compare Weaver saying "Grant could become a trade asset" vs Grant saying "I choose Detroit because X, Y, Z," what Weaver says indicates a lot more about what may happen with Grant than what Grant says IMO.

[FloridaMan78]

I hope nobody is wishing we had Levert. I'm not outside of the possibility that he can be in the right team, right situation and be solid NBA player, but that surely isn't here. We don't need yet another player going iso as Cade watches.

In terms of what Indiana got was to pay Rubio, a late first, and two seconds. It's fine. Levert's not a game changer for most teams, but that's nothing special, and if that's what Pistons could get for Grant, I'd rather just have Grant.

Right now that’s the 24th and 33rd pick in this years draft, plus a future second.
That’s not bad for Levert. Grant is a similar player with better defense and I assume has gotten better offers especially with Levert’s injury history. IMO Weaver is both overvaluing and is attached to his guy. I hope he’s holding out for better and not just sticking with his guy. I’m afraid the players on the trade market have already moved on.

[NYPiston]

That Fischer guy pretty called the McCollum trade so looks like Grant is staying, no need to tune in on Thursday. We kind of knew this anyway.

I just hope that Weaver can do a trade, any trade. He hasn't really done much since getting rid of Stefanski/SVG's guys.

[mattao313]

Josh hart, naw, a 1st 5-14 protected, and 2 2nd is a good return for McCollum.

We need to trade grant man

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[Manocad]

I hope nobody is wishing we had Levert. I'm not outside of the possibility that he can be in the right team, right situation and be solid NBA player, but that surely isn't here. We don't need yet another player going iso as Cade watches.

In terms of what Indiana got was to pay Rubio, a late first, and two seconds. It's fine. Levert's not a game changer for most teams, but that's nothing special, and if that's what Pistons could get for Grant, I'd rather just have Grant.

Right now that’s the 24th and 33rd pick in this years draft, plus a future second.
That’s not bad for Levert. Grant is a similar player with better defense and I assume has gotten better offers especially with Levert’s injury history. IMO Weaver is both overvaluing and is attached to his guy. I hope he’s holding out for better and not just sticking with his guy. I’m afraid the players on the trade market have already moved on.

Ironically, perhaps it's you whose overvaluing Grant by thinking that if that kind of offer was made for LeVert, there has to be a similar offer or better out there for Grant.

But like I've said, I try to take things at face value. No concrete news of offers being made to me means no offers have been made.

[Kalamazoo317]

Seems like a lot of players in Grant's range going for one first and spare parts (maybe some young prospects) but certainly not two firsts.

[mattao313]

Seems like a lot of players in Grant's range going for one first and spare parts (maybe some young prospects) but certainly not two firsts.

He's not worth 2 first unless we're talking about really late ones. I think weaver is asking for to much.

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