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Joe Berry · Post #781 » by **Joe Berry** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:27 pm

Wilson Chandler 12 mil per year? Gallo 17 mil per year? easier to trade, really? The Marcus Morris deal looks better every day. If he is just a solid wing he could be one of the biggest bargains next season and after that for sure. If he turns out to be anything more than that this might have been the best deal of the offseason considering what decent wing players got paid this summer.

sc8581 · Post #782 » by **sc8581** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:29 pm

Joe Asberry wrote:Wilson Chandler 12 mil per year? Gallo 17 mil per year? easier to trade, really? The Marcus Morris deal looks better every day. If he is just a solid wing he could be one of the biggest bargains next season and after that for sure.

More value than being 1-year rentals, think about it.

Blkbrd671 · Post #783 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:34 am

Joe Asberry wrote:Wilson Chandler 12 mil per year? Gallo 17 mil per year? easier to trade, really? The Marcus Morris deal looks better every day. If he is just a solid wing he could be one of the biggest bargains next season and after that for sure. If he turns out to be anything more than that this might have been the best deal of the offseason considering what decent wing players got paid this summer.

yet i think we still got a C grade cuz we didn't spend big

kurtis48239 · Post #784 » by **kurtis48239** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:59 am

I wouldnt have mind takiking a flier on fredette,he could of been a sniper in gundys system.Iam also suprised it took this long for someone to sign hansbrough,hes a pretty good guy coming off the bench,sets hard screens,and is just a gritty dude on the court.Hated him on the pacers,but I wouldnt have mind him on our team.

chrbal · Post #785 » by **chrbal** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:42 pm

I usually make a deal about the super fringe guys, but on Jimmer and Tyler...NO. Tyler is ok in limited minutes, but you could get similar production from many many other players.

Jimmer in the 90s would have had a very long average+ career. Now, hes shown he can kind of shoot 3pters in limited playing time..but not last year. Hes not a PG, not a SG and he can kind of shoot 3s. Meh

MrBigShot · Post #786 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:31 pm

Once upon a time Danny Green was just a guy who's best NBA skill was dancing on the sidelines with LeBron during the end of games. He goes to SA and Pop turns him into an excellent role player. Wouldn't be shocked one bit if Jimmer becomes a guy who can play 12-18 mins as a rotation player and contribute.

joedumars1 · Post #787 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:45 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Once upon a time Danny Green was just a guy who's best NBA skill was dancing on the sidelines with LeBron during the end of games. He goes to SA and Pop turns him into an excellent role player. Wouldn't be shocked one bit if Jimmer becomes a guy who can play 12-18 mins as a rotation player and contribute.

I actually thought D. Green was going to be the 2nd best player on the Cavs with Bron. Not sure why he didn't really get much pt. I don't think Jimmer is going to be very good, not athletic really.

Blkbrd671 · Post #788 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:33 am

MrBigShot wrote:Once upon a time Danny Green was just a guy who's best NBA skill was dancing on the sidelines with LeBron during the end of games. He goes to SA and Pop turns him into an excellent role player. Wouldn't be shocked one bit if Jimmer becomes a guy who can play 12-18 mins as a rotation player and contribute.

actually JJ reddick was a similar player in College and struggled when he got to the pro's. SVG really helped transform him into the player he is today. Jimmer's not as big, but still possess that ability to score in bunches if he can figure it out.

Post #789 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:02 pm

So yeah, at least we aren't Sacramento, amirite?

Yeesh. Everything that comes out about them is a red flag these days.

Blkbrd671 · Post #790 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 pm

Snakebites wrote:So yeah, at least we aren't Sacramento, amirite?

Yeesh. Everything that comes out about them is a red flag these days.

Naive and Arrogant Owner

Red Flag Franchise Center

Red Flag PG

Coach that see's all this but can't do sh*

Volume shooting SF with questionable drive

There making Joe D's Pistons of recent past look like Christmas.

Blkbrd671 · Post #791 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:33 am

Kings VP Vlade Divac halted all communication with Dean Oliver

Oliver was told by Divac not to attend the NBA Summer League

There is continued instability in the Kings front office.

High profile former ESPN analytics guru, Dean Oliver who was hand picked by owner Vivek Ranadive, as Director of Player Personnel, and Head of Analytics a season ago, and who has multiple years left on his contract with the Kings - was told by new Kings VP Vlade Divac not to attend NBA Summer League.

Oliver was in attendance anyway and was seen with King coaches. Oliver was not permitted to be there in his official capacity with the team.

Divac has told confidants that he is strongly opposed to the use of analytics in evaluating players, and has halted all communication with Oliver.
http://www.sportando.com/m/en/usa/nba/170499/kings-vp-vlade-divac-halted-all-communication-with-dean-oliver.html

hope they fire Karl and hire shaw, jsut complete the sh* show

MrBigShot · Post #792 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:43 am

Ironically Cousins is probably more mature than Divac, Ranadive and Karl. He just wants to win and is too expressive with his frustration sometimes, much like Sheed. But I can respect that knowing that his heart will never be in question.

Ranadive has no idea what he wants to do, he's literally playing 2k in real life. Hiring and firing people left and right as if it were just a mere button press on a controller...and then Divac, if what was posted recently about him was true, just has no place in a front office. Analytics without context is one of the worst aspects of realgm, but when used in the right context it can be extremely valuable and to brush it off indicates that he's behind the times.

Blkbrd671 · Post #793 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:51 am

MrBigShot wrote:Ironically Cousins is probably more mature than Divac, Ranadive and Karl. He just wants to win and is too expressive with his frustration sometimes, much like Sheed. But I can respect that knowing that his heart will never be in question.

Ranadive has no idea what he wants to do, he's literally playing 2k in real life. Hiring and firing people left and right as if it were just a mere button press on a controller...and then Divac, if what was posted recently about him was true, just has no place in a front office. Analytics without context is one of the worst aspects of realgm, but when used in the right context it can be extremely valuable and to brush it off indicates that he's behind the times.

ya i don't Divac's thinking in this. Its not simply following a trend but rather a additioanl way to evaluate players and if used correctly can help teams get a better picture of it. Its one thing to not want to put as much weight on stats as other, its anotehr to completely dismiss it like its a "waste of time".

Blkbrd671 · Post #794 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:09 am

So there is a thread on the GB started by one of our own comparing Pistons vs Knicks.............Its really sad how dilusional Knicks fans are. Not that we are any better. But fact that "knicks, because they have the best player buy and far in melo"............i'd argue they have the best Scorer, player would imply they play on both ends

zeebneeb · Post #795 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:19 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:So there is a thread on the GB started by one of our own comparing Pistons vs Knicks.............Its really sad how dilusional Knicks fans are. Not that we are any better. But fact that "knicks, because they have the best player buy and far in melo"............i'd argue they have the best Scorer, player would imply they play on both ends

Hope is a powerful tool. Logic is a helpful secondary tool to help see clearly. Detroit is in a completely different situation and all it takes is a small amount of logic to see that the Knicks roster is an utter disaster, including thier coaching staff.

The two teams are not comparable, in any way shape or form. Detroit has everything in place to have a successful season. New York has nothing, and man do I mean nothing. Melo played 40 games I think last year, and they only won 10-15 of those games, and the team is worse then last season as a whole. Look at that absolute mess of a roster, and try and work that with the triangle. It's a hit mess.

Then take a gander at our roster compared to our system, and head coach. It's night and day.

The Knicks barring a blockbuster trade (how I don't know. They have 1 asset in Carmelo that's on the wrong side of his career with a massive contract) are going to be a hot damn mess next year. My pick is 29 wins.

Post #796 » by **dVs33** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:47 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:So there is a thread on the GB started by one of our own comparing Pistons vs Knicks.............Its really sad how dilusional Knicks fans are. Not that we are any better. But fact that "knicks, because they have the best player buy and far in melo"............i'd argue they have the best Scorer, player would imply they play on both ends

Knicks fans are a fun bunch.
Melo is clearly the best player of the two teams, but Detroit should have a better team this season based on the full roster and our young core developing. We'll both be fighting for a low playoff spot barring any injury.
The Knicks are super top heavy. if melo goes down again, then they're completely screwed. they need more depth.

Blkbrd671 · Post #797 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:00 pm

dVs33 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:So there is a thread on the GB started by one of our own comparing Pistons vs Knicks.............Its really sad how dilusional Knicks fans are. Not that we are any better. But fact that "knicks, because they have the best player buy and far in melo"............i'd argue they have the best Scorer, player would imply they play on both ends

Knicks fans are a fun bunch.
Melo is clearly the best player of the two teams, but Detroit should have a better team this season based on the full roster and our young core developing. We'll both be fighting for a low playoff spot barring any injury.
The Knicks are super top heavy. if melo goes down again, then they're completely screwed. they need more depth.

i think the biggest difference between us and the knicks is we have a direction and a core. They have a superstar, maybe a direction depending on Phils mood and a head coach who's still learning. If we didn't have SVG , i'd be more inclined to compare us, but we do.

zeebneeb · Post #798 » by **zeebneeb** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:06 pm

You know how us Piston fans, and more rational basketball fans have been telling bucks fans how bad Monroe is on defense? Check out these stats and keep in mind there was an article about how terrible Kanter is on defense, and how it will cripple OKC's chance at a title;

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?CF=MIN*G*30%7CFGA_DEFEND_RIM*G*6&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=1

Monroe's numbers on the pick and roll are horrific as well.

princeofpalace · Post #799 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:03 pm

zeebneeb wrote:You know how us Piston fans, and more rational basketball fans have been telling bucks fans how bad Monroe is on defense? Check out these stats and keep in mind there was an article about how terrible Kanter is on defense, and how it will cripple OKC's chance at a title;

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?CF=MIN*G*30%7CFGA_DEFEND_RIM*G*6&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=1

Monroe's numbers on the pick and roll are horrific as well.

Post Defense
Greg Monroe- Opponent EFG 42%
Andre Drummond- Opponent EFG 45%
Enes Kanter- Opponent EFG 47%
Ersan Ilyasova- Opponent EFG 45%

Pick and Roll Defense
Greg Monroe- Opponent EFG 48%
Andre Drummond- Opponent EFG 43%
Enes Kanter- Opponent EFG 35%
Ersan Ilyasova- Opponent EFG 78%

Defensive Real Plus Minus
Greg Monroe +2.21
Andre Drummond +.81
Enes Kanter -3.87
Ersan Ilyasova -2.45

Defensive On/OF
Greg Monroe: Defense gave up 107 with GM on court, 109 with GM off court
Andre Drummond: Defense gave up 109 with AD on court, 105 with AD off court
Enes Kanter: Defense gave up 112 with EK on court, 105 with EK off court
Ersan Ilyasova: Defense gave up 107 with EI on court, 102 with EI off court

Detroit has gotten significantly worse by swapping out Monroe for Ilyasova- who not only ranks poorly as a post and p&r defender but he also has a defensive real plus minus metric (the most accurate of the defensive stats) that rivals Kanters.

At the end of the day, the Pistons were better defensively with Monroe on the court, unlike the Thunder who were worse defensively with Kanter on the court. I know Monroe doesnt have many fans on this forum, but use a little common sense- Monroe is not comparable to Enes Kanter on defense. Ersan's defensive impact is more comparable to Kanter's as both teams perform worse defensive when either of those two players are on the court.

Pharaoh · Post #800 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:46 pm

As SVG would say: how are those defensive stats measured?

Do you "blame" any player within 3 feet when a dude makes a shot?

What if someone blew a rotation on the perimeter and the guy you're "blaming" has had to cover for that? Shouldn't the guy who blew the rotation get the "blame"?

I love me some advanced stats but numbers alone don't mean much to me