Hot and Heavy with the Hawks (Drummond Trade Rumors go National)

[Han Solo]

I'd actually prefer a 1st rounder a couple years from now. A change in the draft rules are coming. If we can land even a late first in the draft that highschoolers can go straight to pros again,its going to be a very valuable pick. This years draft as others have stated isnt going to be strong.

Every time someone says “this is going to be a weak draft”, those drafts always end up being better than the ones people hype up.

I want the pick this year. Barring injuries, that Brooklyn pick will be a higher pick this year too.

[Han Solo]

People are short changing what we can get. Multiple teams are interested in him. Our Detroit writers are ****ing annoying. They literally don’t know **** about anything. They’re hacks.

[jayu70]

Best they will probably get is Brooklyns top 14 protected and Chandler Parsons expiring for Drummond from the Hawks unless they can swing Len and Turner. Maybe, that is why the Hawks are sitting Parsons and Turner is so the Pistons trade em Reggie and Drummond for Parsons, Len and Turner.

Hawks told them they are playing the young guys so they are out of the rotation.

[Rip32]

Think we could get De'Andre Hunter and expiring for Dre? That would be nice. Need a good young SF

Not possible.

How do you know it's not possible?

[jayu70]

Would be more than thrilled with Drummond for Parsons/Len/Fernando or BKN 1st. We are not getting Hunter or Huerter and more than likely not Reddish. Even if this move just saves us from ourselves in extending Dre in the off-season or having him opt in next year I am completely ok with it. He might go on to do great things with ATL which is fine. The way this team is built something needs to change.

Agreed.
I see a lot of Reddish in deals. Not likely. He was ultimately who the Hawks selected with the #10 pick the Hawks received from the Trae/Luka deal. They won't move him after 32 games unless it's in a deal for someon like KAT if was available, definitely not for Drummond.

[DBC10]

I'd actually prefer a 1st rounder a couple years from now. A change in the draft rules are coming. If we can land even a late first in the draft that highschoolers can go straight to pros again,its going to be a very valuable pick. This years draft as others have stated isnt going to be strong.

Good thinking.

The 2022 OKC pick could be very valuable due to the decent amount of young guys coming in straight from high school. It could be the sweetener depending how our rebuild is going to make a big push for some disgruntled future RFA that has star potential and etc. It's a good long term move for flexibility or just use the draft pick altogether since it'll most likely be the deepest draft in decades.

[MotownMadness]

Best they will probably get is Brooklyns top 14 protected and Chandler Parsons expiring for Drummond from the Hawks unless they can swing Len and Turner. Maybe, that is why the Hawks are sitting Parsons and Turner is so the Pistons trade em Reggie and Drummond for Parsons, Len and Turner.

Hawks told them they are playing the young guys so they are out of the rotation.

I mean what are they supposed to tell them. Although i dont think we could care less if they play/dont or even injure themselves regardless cause they are just there to match salaries anyways.

[jayu70]

Think we could get De'Andre Hunter and expiring for Dre? That would be nice. Need a good young SF

Not possible.

How do you know it's not possible?

Because Dre is not worth that. The Hawks traded up and gave up a lot to get Hunter because like you said...they needed a good young SF.

[jayu70]

Best they will probably get is Brooklyns top 14 protected and Chandler Parsons expiring for Drummond from the Hawks unless they can swing Len and Turner. Maybe, that is why the Hawks are sitting Parsons and Turner is so the Pistons trade em Reggie and Drummond for Parsons, Len and Turner.

Hawks told them they are playing the young guys so they are out of the rotation.

I mean what are they supposed to tell them. Although i dont think we could care less if they play/dont or even injure themselves regardless cause they are just there to match salaries anyways.

I'm just saying, they are not sitting because a trade is eminent or anything.
Parson has rarely played all season.
Turner keeps getting injury and he has been a failed experiment at PG but he was getting minutes when healthy enough. That's over now as they've called up Brandon Goodwin from the GL to play backup PG.

[jayu70]

Hawks also own OKCs 2022 first. Not sure on conditions but:

After we move on from Dre we're going into the tank. Ideally we'd acquire a pick (or 2) but space them out a bit:

Our 2020 pick = Lotto
Our 2021 pick = Lotto
Brooklyn 2021 = likely 15-22
Our 2022 pick = Lotto
OKC 2022 pick = ?

Combine that with Woods, Sekou, Luke, Svi & Brown and we COULD be a young, up and coming team with a bright future and a core of guys who are essentially "stuck" here for 5+ years due to RFA

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The OKC 2022 1st is lottery protected then immediately converts to 2 2nds if not conveyed.

[MotownMadness]

Not possible.

How do you know it's not possible?

Because Dre is not worth that. The Hawks traded up and gave up a lot to get Hunter because like you said...they needed a good young SF.

What did you guys trade to move up, i cant remember now?

[MotownMadness]

Hawks told them they are playing the young guys so they are out of the rotation.

I mean what are they supposed to tell them. Although i dont think we could care less if they play/dont or even injure themselves regardless cause they are just there to match salaries anyways.

I'm just saying, they are not sitting because a trade is eminent or anything.
Parson has rarely played all season.
Turner keeps getting injury and he has been a failed experiment at PG but he was getting minutes when healthy enough. That's over now as they've called up Brandon Goodwin from the GL to play backup PG.

Yeah they shouldnt even be playing anyways over any young guys on a 7 win team especially when they both are awful.

[jayu70]

How do you know it's not possible?

Because Dre is not worth that. The Hawks traded up and gave up a lot to get Hunter because like you said...they needed a good young SF.

What did you guys trade to move up, i cant remember now?

#8, #17#, #32 and Cavs 2020 1st (lottery protected then 2 2nds immediately)

[DetroitPistons]

OMG go away if you don't want to include Reddish. We aren't handing away an allstar level center who is just entering his prime for a mid to late FRP. Seriously, I can't stand RealGM sometimes. Every single greedy little fanbase thinks they can get LeBron for a SRP. I swear I can find more competent trade proposals from the comments section on a Youtube hightlight video. Just go away if you are offering crap.

[SamFlow]

OMG go away if you don't want to include Reddish. We aren't handing away an allstar level center who is just entering his prime for a mid to late FRP. Seriously, I can't stand RealGM sometimes. Every single greedy little fanbase thinks they can get LeBron for a SRP. I swear I can find more competent trade proposals from the comments section on a Youtube hightlight video. Just go away if you are offering crap.

We are getting rid of Dre's option to opt in for 28 mil, which he will surely do.

We will use that cap space, by trading him, to sign VanVleet to a major deal to be our lead guard.

So whatever deal we get for Dre, you should also include VanVleet which we can't get unless we trade his cap space.

[bstein14]

Lots more possible trades will open up January 15th from players who signed over the summer so that should open up a lot. Part of me wonders if Orlando regrets giving Vucevic a 4 year deal and if they would consider moving him, and perhaps Ross as well who also got 4 years this summer. They are currently 4 games under .500 and have been worse than expected after a strong finish last season.

Another deal that might make sense is with Sacramento, who reportedly already has buyer's remorse with that Harrison Barnes contract and Dedmon who has said he would prefer a trade. Barnes + Dedmon for Dre + Snell works cap wise and picks could be used to balance the trade as needed to make it work and I feel like Detroit would likely be the team getting a pick or two for taking on Barnes contract.

[DetroitPistons]

Lots more possible trades will open up January 15th from players who signed over the summer so that should open up a lot. Part of me wonders if Orlando regrets giving Vucevic a 4 year deal and if they would consider moving him, and perhaps Ross as well who also got 4 years this summer. They are currently 4 games under .500 and have been worse than expected after a strong finish last season.

Another deal that might make sense is with Sacramento, who reportedly already has buyer's remorse with that Harrison Barnes contract and Dedmon who has said he would prefer a trade. Barnes + Dedmon for Dre + Snell works cap wise and picks could be used to balance the trade as needed to make it work and I feel like Detroit would likely be the team getting a pick or two for taking on Barnes contract.

Those trades do not help us rebuild unless we are getting back a good pick. If we are trading Drummond I want a decent pick (like the BKN one) and decent young player. If SAC wants to throw in their pick then I would be more on board.

[DetroitPistons]

OMG go away if you don't want to include Reddish. We aren't handing away an allstar level center who is just entering his prime for a mid to late FRP. Seriously, I can't stand RealGM sometimes. Every single greedy little fanbase thinks they can get LeBron for a SRP. I swear I can find more competent trade proposals from the comments section on a Youtube hightlight video. Just go away if you are offering crap.

We are getting rid of Dre's option to opt in for 28 mil, which he will surely do.

We will use that cap space, by trading him, to sign VanVleet to a major deal to be our lead guard.

So whatever deal we get for Dre, you should also include VanVleet which we can't get unless we trade his cap space.

Bruh you can't base a trade on those what ifs. First of all, almost everyone is expecting Drummond to opt out. Second of all, even if he did opt in it isn't a big deal since we will still be rebuilding anyway and it would actually give us another year to seek out a better deal. The Van Fleet thing just has no basis. Lowry is on his way out and Van Fleet is ready to start for them. No reason at all for him to want to come to our team.

[CP War Hawks]

Dre's worth to other teams in the league isn't decided by the so-called "self loathing Piston fans" (you're not using the term in proper context), or self-proclaimed geniuses who blow sunshine up their own asses. It's decided by the teams willing to make a deal for Dre. Dre is no different than any other thing for sale--his worth in the market isn't determined by the price the Pistons put on him. It's determined by what he actually sells for, i.e. what another team is willing to pay.

My worry is that no deal will be made because our FO May have a wildly unrealistic view of Dre’s value.

This is where im at cause im trying to think from the other sides perspective and theres no way im even giving up that Brooklyn pick while sitting on 7 wins and Drummond on a expiring deal.

I mean unless they are just dead set on him being the guy they want in FA and dont want to take any chances so they want to acquire his Bird Rights then i dont get it.

At this point ill gladly take the pick or Reddish by itself and start working towards Ls to rebuild.

Hello Big D guys (super pause). Okay so what I'm thinking is Schlenk is willing to give up expirings that can still contribute like Crabbe, Parker, or Len. I mean all three offer something to contenders, nothing too much. I'm sure a 1st rounder is what could be a deal breaker for either side. The OKC 2022 pick may be of value to the Pistons.

Hawks have a young big in Fernando which I doubt moves the needle. It could expand to a 3 way where Parker could net a young prospect/later 1st from a team that own multiple picks. I can't imagine Cam or Hunter would be discussed at this stage of their careers. What's holding Drummond's value down is the significant contract he will command and the limited teams that can actually accommodate it.

[thesack12]

Jonathan Isaac is now out for 2 months, which helps Brooklyn's chances to hold onto a playoff spot, which in turn makes that Nets pick more attractive to those who would want it to convey in this upcoming draft.

Of course Orlando losing a key player, also helps Detroit's chances of sneaking into the playoff picture as well. We can only hope that doesn't help persuade Gores/Ed/Casey to "go for it."