Kennards value?

[Pharaoh]

Yes I know Luke is a negative on D, but as a big guard that’s his best possible position to defend. He’s not stopping any wings. At least he’s strong enough to battle with smaller point guards.

Luka and Harden are both known to be negatives on D as well, but their floor spacing and playmaking makes them playable. That’s the only realistic role I can see for Luke on a good team is as playmaker.

There's no way you can compare Luke Kennard with Harden or Luka!



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[vic]

I surely will. Not saying hes as good as they are but he has a similar skillset and role that could be developed by a forward thinking team.

But unfortunately we dont think like that in Detroit let's just keep putting square pegs in round holes as per usual

[tmorgan]

Huerter is good. Atlanta doesn't need Kennard. Whatever advantage Kennard has over Huerter in handle and playmaking makes no difference, as Trae runs the offense when he's on the floor 100% of the time.

[Pharaoh]

I surely will. Not saying hes as good as they are but he has a similar skillset and role that could be developed by a forward thinking team.

But unfortunately we dont think like that in Detroit let's just keep putting square pegs in round holes as per usual

Luke doesn't have a similar skillset though

Luka and Harden have the handling ability, agility, length and size Kennard lacks.

A forward thinking team wouldn't cast Luke into that role simply because he doesn't have the skillset to excel in it.

His best role is likely as a 6th man on a good team where he can come in against lesser defenders and dominate the ball, having plays specifically called for him.

OR he accepts a JJ Redick kind of role that features a bit more handling (JJ/Joel in Philly)



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[vic]

Whether it’s as a starter or off the bench, the shooting, handling, size, passing is the same. As a of Luke would be oversized.

He’s a much better shooter than Luka, who is known as a shooter because of his volume but barely shoots 33% from 3. That’s an example of a forward thinking team using a player that makes less than 33% of his threes as a volume 3 point shooter because of his complementary abilities.

Forward thinking teams develop and train what they have while they have it. They don’t wait for the skill set to be fully developed. They see the potential and invest game time minutes in developing it. Then they sell it to other teams at a premium, or become a contender.

[Pharaoh]

Whether it’s as a starter or off the bench, the shooting, handling, size, passing is the same. As a of Luke would be oversized.

He’s a much better shooter than Luka, who is known as a shooter because of his volume but barely shoots 33% from 3. That’s an example of a forward thinking team using a player that makes less than 33% of his threes as a volume 3 point shooter because of his complementary abilities.

Forward thinking teams develop and train what they have while they have it. They don’t wait for the skill set to be fully developed. They see the potential and invest game time minutes in developing it. Then they sell it to other teams at a premium, or become a contender.

You can attempt to spin it however you choose but Kennard is not and should not be viewed as comparable to Harden and Luka.

2 of those guys you can build a team around. The other is Luke Kennard!

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[mattao313]

Whether it’s as a starter or off the bench, the shooting, handling, size, passing is the same. As a of Luke would be oversized.

He’s a much better shooter than Luka, who is known as a shooter because of his volume but barely shoots 33% from 3. That’s an example of a forward thinking team using a player that makes less than 33% of his threes as a volume 3 point shooter because of his complementary abilities.

Forward thinking teams develop and train what they have while they have it. They don’t wait for the skill set to be fully developed. They see the potential and invest game time minutes in developing it. Then they sell it to other teams at a premium, or become a contender.

Kennard does not have the handle to be a high usage player simple as that. You can't force players into roles they can't handle that's what crappy organizations do.

[MDUBB]

I like Kennard but I hope he can stay healthy. The team is a bit of a train wreck and such a lack of talent. I would like to see them add a Fred V from Toronto and start to build around him and maybe Kennard.

[Invictus88]

I like Kennard but I hope he can stay healthy. The team is a bit of a train wreck and such a lack of talent. I would like to see them add a Fred V from Toronto and start to build around him and maybe Kennard.

If we end up adding Fred VV this offseason it's going to be done by outbidding other teams; meaning we overpay. It's exactly what we shouldn't be doing at this stage. We just don't have a supporting cast such that adding FVV will take us anywhere meaningful.

We need to swoop lower and gain the speed/momentum that comes along with acquiring young prospects in order to eventually end up with the best results.

Otherwise we just treadmill like we have been for 15 years.

[bstein14]

FVV would be fine at $60 million over 4 years. I don't really want to pay more than that. We could very much end up in another Reggie Jackson type situation if we give him $80 million. He's a decent starting PG but he isn't good enough to really be the guy which means paying him more than $15 per we would probably regret it.

[thesack12]

At $12 mil + per season, the Luke Kennards and Fred Vanvleets of the world do nothing to push Detroit in the direction they need to go.

Sacrificing cap space/flexibility to sign those guys to those types of contracts does nothing but move the team backwards going into year 1 of a full scale rebuild. This is especially true in Kennard's case, because he can be moved for value right now. So you can get an asset for him AND keep all the future cap flexibility.

Cap space/flexibility is going to be absolute king the next couple years, and Detroit can use theirs to acquire some legit assets.

People get too fixated on the fallacy that all you can do with cap space is sign free agents.

[oldncreaky]

I like Kennard but I hope he can stay healthy. The team is a bit of a train wreck and such a lack of talent. I would like to see them add a Fred V from Toronto and start to build around him and maybe Kennard.

If we end up adding Fred VV this offseason it's going to be done by outbidding other teams; meaning we overpay. It's exactly what we shouldn't be doing at this stage. We just don't have a supporting cast such that adding FVV will take us anywhere meaningful.

We need to swoop lower and gain the speed/momentum that comes along with acquiring young prospects in order to eventually end up with the best results.

Otherwise we just treadmill like we have been for 15 years.

Agreed. It is hard to see Toronto letting FVV walk unless he gets offered more than Brogdan money, and that makes him too much money to pay when the Pistons are so far from contention. Paying big money for non all-stars is the fast track to nowhere. This team has maybe two or three players on their roster who could make the rotation of a contender, no cant-miss prospects, and really needs to build up its assets.