Who's your pick? (Poll included)

[gusman]

I have been looking for some kind of odds to come out who the pistons pick will be. Has anyone see anything on a gambling website? I know smith is favored at 1 followed by Chet.

[tmorgan]

We do need to solve our rebounding issue in some manner.

Stew is a battler and is probably average on the boards. Jerami does not like to mix it up. KO is ground bound like Stew but minus some strength. Bagley is the only good rebounder of the four but has defensive issues and really cannot play huge minutes effectively.

We probably do get more guard and wing rebounds than most teams with Cade, Bey and Diallo, but it’s clearly not enough.

[Pharaoh]

We do need to solve our rebounding issue in some manner.

Stew is a battler and is probably average on the boards. Jerami does not like to mix it up. KO is ground bound like Stew but minus some strength. Bagley is the only good rebounder of the four but has defensive issues and really cannot play huge minutes effectively.

We probably do get more guard and wing rebounds than most teams with Cade, Bey and Diallo, but it’s clearly not enough.

Murray averages almost 10 boards a game despite shouldering a lot of the offensive load

As a team we do need to do much better on the glass though.

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[Snakebites]

It could be argued that Keegan is the strongest fit with Cade. He’s just not the most intriguing prospect, so he’s not going to be as popular around here.

I do worry (despite voting for Sharpe myself) that we are falling into a mystery box trap here. Ivey likely won’t be there.

[Pharaoh]

It could be argued that Keegan is the strongest fit with Cade. He’s just not the most intriguing prospect, so he’s not going to be as popular around here.

I do worry (despite voting for Sharpe myself) that we are falling into a mystery box trap here. Ivey likely won’t be there.

Speaking of mystery boxes:

I'm starting to fall for the Daniels hype.

Maybe I've just watched too much on Ivey, Murray and Sharpe so I've picked them apart but Daniels & Mathurin are really intriguing

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[buzzkilloton]

I have been looking for some kind of odds to come out who the pistons pick will be. Has anyone see anything on a gambling website? I know smith is favored at 1 followed by Chet.

I havent seen it offshore or on michigan books i dont think its out yet

[LaSheed]

We do need to solve our rebounding issue in some manner.

Stew is a battler and is probably average on the boards. Jerami does not like to mix it up. KO is ground bound like Stew but minus some strength. Bagley is the only good rebounder of the four but has defensive issues and really cannot play huge minutes effectively.

We probably do get more guard and wing rebounds than most teams with Cade, Bey and Diallo, but it’s clearly not enough.

It's infuriating how much Grant doesn't rebound.

Most of my same game parlays misses were Grant rebounds lol

[7r5ur]

Hes being compared to t.harris and jerami grant. There is out comes that end in bench player its not absurd. Older college players bust too. Just because hes called safe doesnt mean he cant bust.

James Jones never averaged 10ppg in the NBA, and was a career bench player. In his 4 years in college he maxed out at under 17ppg on 44% shooting as a senior. Keegan dropped 24/8 on elite efficiency (64.8% TS!), with very low TO's his sophomore year. He gets to the line. Shot 40% from three. Is crafty and relentless around the rim. He's good off-the-ball at cutting and knocking down shots. Very good in transition.

Of all of the guys in the draft, Keegan might be the closest thing to a sure-fire solid NBA starter in the whole bunch, perhaps with the exception of Jabari who will at least be a nice 3+D guy. As others have said, Keegan is kinda like a PF version of Cade with his non-flashy game that has very few weaknesses.

I'm not saying I draft him for sure over some of the other guys, but if the Pistons end up with him at 5, and we move on from Grant, he's got a legit shot at ROY.

Obviously there's a world where ANY player busts. Injuries, mentality issues, the yips, whatever. You could really say this about any player. Chet being Thon Maker is in the "realm of possibility" I guess, but I wouldn't pass on him just because of some tiny chance he is the absolute worst case scenario.

Just because hes really productive does not mean he cant be a bust. 24 and 8 amazing Garza did 24 and 10 as a junior and senior. Iowa runs a system that makes him look good similar to Garza. Many of the prospects this season are in systems making them look worse Keegan has the system working with him.

40% 3pt but only 75%from the line. 75% from the line makes me question how good the 3pter. That 75% isnt much over average shooting. For Murray to pay off pick five hes going to have to be elite shooting with his skill set. That means were betting on a 75% ft% shooter to be elite its possible but far from a sure thing.

Of course everyone questions the lateral quickness. Hes going to be 22 in August i believe. I question how well he is gomna score when hes not bigger and stronger then everyone.

Not saying hes likely a bust just its for sure possible. He has warts just like everyone were choosing from.

The massive difference with Garza and Murray is that Garza is unplayably slow on defense, while Murray projects to be at least a solid defender. If it weren't for Garza's cement shoes he'd have been a lotto pick. There is no comparison there.

[buzzkilloton]

James Jones never averaged 10ppg in the NBA, and was a career bench player. In his 4 years in college he maxed out at under 17ppg on 44% shooting as a senior. Keegan dropped 24/8 on elite efficiency (64.8% TS!), with very low TO's his sophomore year. He gets to the line. Shot 40% from three. Is crafty and relentless around the rim. He's good off-the-ball at cutting and knocking down shots. Very good in transition.

Of all of the guys in the draft, Keegan might be the closest thing to a sure-fire solid NBA starter in the whole bunch, perhaps with the exception of Jabari who will at least be a nice 3+D guy. As others have said, Keegan is kinda like a PF version of Cade with his non-flashy game that has very few weaknesses.

I'm not saying I draft him for sure over some of the other guys, but if the Pistons end up with him at 5, and we move on from Grant, he's got a legit shot at ROY.

Obviously there's a world where ANY player busts. Injuries, mentality issues, the yips, whatever. You could really say this about any player. Chet being Thon Maker is in the "realm of possibility" I guess, but I wouldn't pass on him just because of some tiny chance he is the absolute worst case scenario.

Just because hes really productive does not mean he cant be a bust. 24 and 8 amazing Garza did 24 and 10 as a junior and senior. Iowa runs a system that makes him look good similar to Garza. Many of the prospects this season are in systems making them look worse Keegan has the system working with him.

40% 3pt but only 75%from the line. 75% from the line makes me question how good the 3pter. That 75% isnt much over average shooting. For Murray to pay off pick five hes going to have to be elite shooting with his skill set. That means were betting on a 75% ft% shooter to be elite its possible but far from a sure thing.

Of course everyone questions the lateral quickness. Hes going to be 22 in August i believe. I question how well he is gomna score when hes not bigger and stronger then everyone.

Not saying hes likely a bust just its for sure possible. He has warts just like everyone were choosing from.

The massive difference with Garza and Murray is that Garza is unplayably slow on defense, while Murray projects to be at least a solid defender. If it weren't for Garza's cement shoes he'd have been a lotto pick. There is no comparison there.

Of course Garza is slow I'm just saying college production doesnt always mean lock good NBA player hes just a good example because its the same team and right before him.

I'm not predicting a straight bust but I wouldnt be shocked either like others. I really think hes going to be a letdown at pick 5. At this point in the process I'm not taking him until pick 8.

[Pharaoh]

Just because hes really productive does not mean he cant be a bust. 24 and 8 amazing Garza did 24 and 10 as a junior and senior. Iowa runs a system that makes him look good similar to Garza. Many of the prospects this season are in systems making them look worse Keegan has the system working with him.

40% 3pt but only 75%from the line. 75% from the line makes me question how good the 3pter. That 75% isnt much over average shooting. For Murray to pay off pick five hes going to have to be elite shooting with his skill set. That means were betting on a 75% ft% shooter to be elite its possible but far from a sure thing.

Of course everyone questions the lateral quickness. Hes going to be 22 in August i believe. I question how well he is gomna score when hes not bigger and stronger then everyone.

Not saying hes likely a bust just its for sure possible. He has warts just like everyone were choosing from.

The massive difference with Garza and Murray is that Garza is unplayably slow on defense, while Murray projects to be at least a solid defender. If it weren't for Garza's cement shoes he'd have been a lotto pick. There is no comparison there.

Of course Garza is slow I'm just saying college production doesnt always mean lock good NBA player hes just a good example because its the same team and right before him.

I'm not predicting a straight bust but I wouldnt be shocked either like others. I really think hes going to be a letdown at pick 5. At this point in the process I'm not taking him until pick 8.

I think of all the guys projected 4 to 8 Murray is the one thing you can call safe!

As usual the question is: how good COULD he be IF he maximises his skills and puts the work in?

Ivey, Sharpe, Daniels, Mathurin - all have skills I love, all have issues.

Murray? He's my kinda guy which suggests we shouldn't draft him lol

My track record in the last 2 Drafts is Okoro and Barnes (before we landed at 1) so I'm no expert

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[7r5ur]

Just because hes really productive does not mean he cant be a bust. 24 and 8 amazing Garza did 24 and 10 as a junior and senior. Iowa runs a system that makes him look good similar to Garza. Many of the prospects this season are in systems making them look worse Keegan has the system working with him.

40% 3pt but only 75%from the line. 75% from the line makes me question how good the 3pter. That 75% isnt much over average shooting. For Murray to pay off pick five hes going to have to be elite shooting with his skill set. That means were betting on a 75% ft% shooter to be elite its possible but far from a sure thing.

Of course everyone questions the lateral quickness. Hes going to be 22 in August i believe. I question how well he is gomna score when hes not bigger and stronger then everyone.

Not saying hes likely a bust just its for sure possible. He has warts just like everyone were choosing from.

The massive difference with Garza and Murray is that Garza is unplayably slow on defense, while Murray projects to be at least a solid defender. If it weren't for Garza's cement shoes he'd have been a lotto pick. There is no comparison there.

Of course Garza is slow I'm just saying college production doesnt always mean lock good NBA player hes just a good example because its the same team and right before him.

I'm not predicting a straight bust but I wouldnt be shocked either like others. I really think hes going to be a letdown at pick 5. At this point in the process I'm not taking him until pick 8.

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that Garza actually would be a productive NBA player if not for his defense. He's got that Boban game. Very productive when he plays but his fatal flaw is so bad that you still can't put him on the floor most of the time. Murray isn't particularly exciting but he doesn't have that fatal flaw.

Most of those guys who are great in college but don't cut it in the pros have those similar flaws. But no one can really point to Keegan's other than simply saying he's gone be 22.

And again, I'm not set on taking Murray. Weaver will dive in far deeper than I am willing to. But if he isn't sold on Sharpe and/or Ivey or whomever, I'm totally fine with him picking Murray.

[NYPiston]

What's not to like? A Uber explosive guard with functional in game athleticism. He ain't the best fit with cade but who cares he has the potential to be better. Look at the Celtics they made it work with they're 2 wings they ain't the best fit either. Also the pistons really lack athleticism and other ball handlers and playmakers we rely on scrubs like Joseph and Hayes I don't want a James Harden offense the more playmaking the better.

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Ivey is not much of a ballhandler. He's a take the ball and barrel to the hoop type guy, he's not going to handle the ball a lot and set up others so he's not a big playmaker either although he flashed some of that drive and kick ability last season.

Those are the biggest issues with Ivey for me. What does he project to be at the NBA level? He's not a lead guard because he's not much of a ballhandler and he's not a pure 2 because he doesn't shoot the ball particularly well. He's a pretty one dimensional uber athletic slashing guard that attacks the rim with reckless abandon but doesn't have much wiggle to evade defenders, has a pretty non-existent mid range game and is an inconsistent long range shooter so what are you getting from him when teams pack the paint and take his drives away from him? He's an intriguing package of upside because of his athletic profile which is absolutely elite but there's a lot of holes in his game currently that need to be refined.

I picked him or Sharpe because I want the Pistons to take a swing on upside but man, Ivey is pretty darn risky to me. There's a solid possibility that he's basically another Diallo if he can't round out his offensive game.
I'm starting to sell myself on Mathurin the more I think about it. He can be a black hole defensively at times and struggles with shot creation but his shooting, to go along with his length and athleticism presents a nice potential fit alongside Cade.

[Betarayjigs]

Daniel’s testing at the combine and recent growth spurt is making a nice story to go along with his player development in the gleague. I could see him growing into the pistons too choice because when you can’t draft an exceptional big man the next best thing is rangy positional wings. Gonna be hard to resist that size and flexibility when the pick comes up.

[mattao313]

What's not to like? A Uber explosive guard with functional in game athleticism. He ain't the best fit with cade but who cares he has the potential to be better. Look at the Celtics they made it work with they're 2 wings they ain't the best fit either. Also the pistons really lack athleticism and other ball handlers and playmakers we rely on scrubs like Joseph and Hayes I don't want a James Harden offense the more playmaking the better.

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Ivey is not much of a ballhandler. He's a take the ball and barrel to the hoop type guy, he's not going to handle the ball a lot and set up others so he's not a big playmaker either although he flashed some of that drive and kick ability last season.

Those are the biggest issues with Ivey for me. What does he project to be at the NBA level? He's not a lead guard because he's not much of a ballhandler and he's not a pure 2 because he doesn't shoot the ball particularly well. He's a pretty one dimensional uber athletic slashing guard that attacks the rim with reckless abandon but doesn't have much wiggle to evade defenders, has a pretty non-existent mid range game and is an inconsistent long range shooter so what are you getting from him when teams pack the paint and take his drives away from him? He's an intriguing package of upside because of his athletic profile which is absolutely elite but there's a lot of holes in his game currently that need to be refined.

I picked him or Sharpe because I want the Pistons to take a swing on upside but man, Ivey is pretty darn risky to me. There's a solid possibility that he's basically another Diallo if he can't round out his offensive game.
I'm starting to sell myself on Mathurin the more I think about it. He can be a black hole defensively at times and struggles with shot creation but his shooting, to go along with his length and athleticism presents a nice potential fit alongside Cade.

I disagree about him being a playmaker maybe I should have said creator? Anyway while he isn't a great passer or anything like that he can make drive and kick reads in the half and semi half court. He also can actually creat offense and collapse the defense and make plays out of that. So imo he is a playmaker to put beside cade not the best fit but it can be worked out. Mathurin is more of a 3&D guy which is nice but he ain't gonna be creating offense something this team really lacks and you need to be a good teams is at least two really good playmakers/ creators

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[The Moose]

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[zeebneeb]

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I hate videos like this. First it confuses the set order, and makes it seem like he should be the obvious pick to start alongside Cade. Second, it makes it seem like we'll be missing out if the Pistons don't pick him.

Ugh.

I am imagining two elite level floor surveyors though. How the hell does the opposing team build a defense around two floor raising ball handlers like that?

If he really does have an elite 3-point shot(as stated in the last 10 games)he seems like a no-brainer then, which is suspect that its all of a sudden "hey here's this guy!"

Two 6'7 ball wizards in the backcourt? Sheesh...

[buzzkilloton]

I'm not predicting a straight bust but I wouldnt be shocked either like others. I really think hes going to be a letdown at pick 5. At this point in the process I'm not taking him until pick 8.

Keegan has flaws outside of being 22 in August.

Again 75% FT doesnt indicate a elite outside shooter. His lateral movement is lackluster which means struggling switching on defense. Keegan has NO mid range game whatsoever he was awful there. He shot a really high % at the rim and watching alot of his film he bullied down there quite a bit scoring inside. In the NCAA hes bigger and stronger but in the NBA 6'8 215 isnt going to have such a easy time anymore down there.

Honestly only guy on the board I dont want at 5. Just has role player written all over him. Role player doesnt mean hes as good as J.Grant either. We need stars not role players.

[The Moose]

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I hate videos like this. First it confuses the set order, and makes it seem like he should be the obvious pick to start alongside Cade. Second, it makes it seem like we'll be missing out if the Pistons don't pick him.

Ugh.

I am imagining two elite level floor surveyors though. How the hell does the opposing team build a defense around two floor raising ball handlers like that?

If he really does have an elite 3-point shot(as stated in the last 10 games)he seems like a no-brainer then, which is suspect that its all of a sudden "hey here's this guy!"

Two 6'7 ball wizards in the backcourt? Sheesh...

Would love to get Dyson , I see some shades of a 6’6/6’7 Marcus Smart with much better feel offensively as a passer/playmaker.

Honestly though I could see arguments for all of Ivey/Sharpe/Daniels/Mathurin. All of them bring something different to each other , but should be able to fit somewhere in the lineup.

Murray, who I actually like quite a lot, seems to make the least sense at the moment.

That is of course assuming Grant isn’t traded, if Grant gets traded then sure,the hole Murray would fill is blindingly obvious , but as the roster stands right now, it seems he would have a difficult path to even being a starter.

[zeebneeb]

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I hate videos like this. First it confuses the set order, and makes it seem like he should be the obvious pick to start alongside Cade. Second, it makes it seem like we'll be missing out if the Pistons don't pick him.

Ugh.

I am imagining two elite level floor surveyors though. How the hell does the opposing team build a defense around two floor raising ball handlers like that?

If he really does have an elite 3-point shot(as stated in the last 10 games)he seems like a no-brainer then, which is suspect that its all of a sudden "hey here's this guy!"

Two 6'7 ball wizards in the backcourt? Sheesh...

Would love to get Dyson , I see some shades of a 6’6/6’7 Marcus Smart with much better feel offensively as a passer/playmaker.

Honestly though I could see arguments for all of Ivey/Sharpe/Daniels/Mathurin. All of them bring something different to each other , but should be able to fit somewhere in the lineup.

Murray, who I actually like quite a lot, seems to make the least sense at the moment.

That is of course assuming Grant isn’t traded, if Grant gets traded then sure,the hole Murray would fill is blindingly obvious , but as the roster stands right now, it seems he would have a difficult path to even being a starter.

All of this becomes insanely easier, if Grant is moved for another pick in the top 10.

Pick your sure thing, then go for the homerun ball.

I'm at the point that it doesn't matter what kind of deal it is, but moving Grant+(picks, Hayes, Olynyk, Diallo, Garza, even Bey if it's to Sacramento for the 4th pick)is something I really want to happen. Adding two lottery picks, that can be a big, and a Guard right off the bat to grow with Cade, and his special abilities should be the top priority.

[Kalamazoo317]

You had me until you mentioned trading Bey to move up one spot in a draft that falls off after the third pick.