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[Clarity]

What is the origin of references to Monroe wanting to leave?

There are none, its purely fan speculation right now.

Monroe is worth (3) Ariza's. Players like Ariza are a dime a dozen. This is why he bounces from team to team like a rubber ball.

obviously but we could use a player like him at the 3 to pair with Monroe & Drummond.

[BadMofoPimp]

What is the origin of references to Monroe wanting to leave?

There are none, its purely fan speculation right now.

Monroe is worth (3) Ariza's. Players like Ariza are a dime a dozen. This is why he bounces from team to team like a rubber ball.

obviously but we could use a player like him at the 3 to pair with Monroe & Drummond.

If the Wizards would take Josh or Brandon for Ariza, I am all game. Other than that, I don't know what else the pistons could offer outside of KCP.

[paQo the BAWSER]

What is the origin of references to Monroe wanting to leave?

There are none, its purely fan speculation right now.

Monroe is worth (3) Ariza's. Players like Ariza are a dime a dozen. This is why he bounces from team to team like a rubber ball.

obviously but we could use a player like him at the 3 to pair with Monroe & Drummond.

Sometimes I think you're the Monroe's boyfriend, seriously. Monroe is a good player man, but what he have shown?

Fan speculation, but "there are none" is your desire, not the reality, the reality is, because our FO, he seems tired of this team and he's from Luisiana and he studied in Georgetown, so there are so much atractive options for him than Detroit.

Davis-Monroe could be an amazing frontcourt, and play with John Wall in a PO team seems great. He's RFA, I know, but I think Monroe is done with the Pistons, at least mentally.

[Clarity]

If the Wizards would take Josh or Brandon for Ariza, I am all game. Other than that, I don't know what else the pistons could offer outside of KCP.

Agreed.

Sometimes I think you're the Monroe's boyfriend, seriously. Monroe is a good player man, but what he have shown?

Fan speculation, but "there are none" is your desire, not the reality, the reality is, because our FO, he seems tired of this team and he's from Luisiana and he studied in Georgetown, so there are so much atractive options for him than Detroit.

Davis-Monroe could be an amazing frontcourt, and play with John Wall in a PO team seems great. He's RFA, I know, but I think Monroe is done with the Pistons, at least mentally.

The "boyfriend" comment is immature, grow up.

Again, I work on facts. Monroe is a 23 year old, highly skilled All Star caliber offensive 7 footer who is a consistent 17 & 10. More importantly he fits great with our franchise player Andre Drummond & clearly understands Drummond is the catalyst to us being great again which most of the current roster doesnt understand.

"he seems" is fan speculation, you dont know that man. I have said, I get why he wouldnt want to stay here if Josh & Jennings are still here as the #1 & 2 options but thats just speculation when I say that because I don't know that man from a can of paint either.

I think here with Drummond if we can shake the two idiots & get back on track is the best place for him but I certainly agree that Wash would be very attractive. Wall/Beal/Moose would be an oustanding big 3 for the next 7 or 8 years plus Monroe would likely be a perennial All Star on that team because they win.

[BadMofoPimp]

Personally, I think if Monroe really was all about the stats, he could put up more points and boards, but he is deferring to Drummond and Josh Smith. I admire that in him that he has tried his best to do whatever we need from him regardless if it is not to his strengths.

[sc8581]

Personally, I think if Monroe really was all about the stats, he could put up more points and boards, but he is deferring to Drummond and Josh Smith. I admire that in him that he has tried his best to do whatever we need from him regardless if it is not to his strengths.

Complete BS. Without Smith in there Monroe started chucking and was extremely inefficient. The team needs him to play defense, the team needs him to develop a consistent jump shot, these things have not happened and now the team needs him to take less money which we know isn't going to happen.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Without Smith in there Monroe started chucking and was extremely inefficient.

That's not true at all Even if he wasn't too much efficient, the team played so much well with Monroe and without Smith.

The "boyfriend" comment is immature, grow up.

You're a cool dude Clarity, I don't wanna see you crying if Monroe leaves us, I'm only was showing you the reality.

[sc8581]

Without Smith in there Monroe started chucking and was extremely inefficient.

That's not true at all Even if he wasn't too much efficient, the team played so much well with Monroe and without Smith.

The "boyfriend" comment is immature, grow up.

You're a cool dude Clarity, I don't wanna see you crying if Monroe leaves us, I'm only was showing you the reality.

I can back up my statement with facts, can you?

[paQo the BAWSER]

I'm tired of all your facts, stats are a pretty s**t, I got eyes man, that's all I know, the stats can be manipulate and use it like you want.

Love is better PF by stats than BG or LMA, that's facts... I don't know why everybody here are obsessed with the word facts.

[sc8581]

I'm tired of all your facts, stats are a pretty s**t, I got eyes man, that's all I know, the stats can be manipulate and use it like you want.

Love is better PF by stats than BG or LMA, that's facts... I don't know why everybody here are obsessed with the word facts.

So fg% and PPS are manipulated stats? Ok kid.

[paQo the BAWSER]

I'm tired of all your facts, stats are a pretty s**t, I got eyes man, that's all I know, the stats can be manipulate and use it like you want.

Love is better PF by stats than BG or LMA, that's facts... I don't know why everybody here are obsessed with the word facts.

So fg% and PPS are manipulated stats? Ok kid.

Manipulated maybe isn't the correct word, what I meant is when you see a "2nd player with +30 points, +20 rebounds and +5 blocks in the NBA history", is an incredible performance no doubt, but if you put 2 less points, or rebounds, or blocks, there are more players that they did it.

Stats means nothing, Knight this year put a good stats but in the worst NBA team, Monroe have put some good stats but he never has shown that he can be a reference on offense when the game is close and he isn't (in my opinion) a consistent player, some days is an all star without doubt and other days is just an average player.

Same as Hayward, or Turner, or any of these boys. Monroe is a good player and he can be nearly to great, I haven't got any problem with him here, but there are some guys trying to sell another reality, same as the Monroe's haters, saying he's extremely inefficient or he's incredible bad on defense (when he's a good post defender, no doubt).

Is not black and white, and you can tell me s**t about facts, stats or whatever, but at the end of the day, I got eyes man, and I know what I've seen, do you?

[sc8581]

I'm tired of all your facts, stats are a pretty s**t, I got eyes man, that's all I know, the stats can be manipulate and use it like you want.

Love is better PF by stats than BG or LMA, that's facts... I don't know why everybody here are obsessed with the word facts.

So fg% and PPS are manipulated stats? Ok kid.

Manipulated maybe isn't the correct word, what I meant is when you see a "2nd player with +30 points, +20 rebounds and +5 blocks in the NBA history", is an incredible performance no doubt, but if you put 2 less points, or rebounds, or blocks, there are more players that they did it.

Stats means nothing, Knight this year put a good stats but in the worst NBA team, Monroe have put some good stats but he never has shown that he can be a reference on offense when the game is close and he isn't (in my opinion) a consistent player, some days is an all star without doubt and other days is just an average player.

Same as Hayward, or Turner, or any of these boys. Monroe is a good player and he can be nearly to great, I haven't got any problem with him here, but there are some guys trying to sell another reality, same as the Monroe's haters, saying he's extremely inefficient or he's incredible bad on defense (when he's a good post defender, no doubt).

Is not black and white, and you can tell me s**t about facts, stats or whatever, but at the end of the day, I got eyes man, and I know what I've seen, do you?

In those last 5 games where Smith didn't play Monroe shot 44.6% and only averaged 17.6pts on 16.6 shots while having just one game where he scored efficiently because he was in a favorable matchup. You say Monroe is not consistent and I disagree, he is very consistent, unfortunately favorable matchups for him are not.

[paQo the BAWSER]

In those last 5 games where Smith didn't play Monroe shot 44.6% and only averaged 17.6pts on 16.6 shots while having just one game where he scored efficiently because he was in a favorable matchup. You say Monroe is not consistent and I disagree, he is very consistent, unfortunately favorable matchups for him are not.

Still better production than Smith, but not a big fan of none of them.

[hoophabit]

Personally, I feel no compulsion to belittle those who don't like Monroe. Reasonable people can disagree without it being based on man-love or stupidity. I'd like to see us retain Monroe if he wants to stay. I feel very strongly that the unbalanced state of the Pistons greatly affected the opportunities of the bigs to operate in the paint. Better shooting and a developing Drummond both would make things easier for GM. It also seemed to me that as the season progressed he was becoming more comfortable shooting the mid range.

That said, I can also see how a team like the Wizards might appeal to him. The Wiz are a pretty well balanced team right now, and Monroe would be a great addition for them. Still, I think the Pistons would be making a mistake to let him walk for nothing. If he really wants out then trade him later.

[sc8581]

Personally, I feel no compulsion to belittle those who don't like Monroe. Reasonable people can disagree without it being based on man-love or stupidity. I'd like to see us retain Monroe if he wants to stay. I feel very strongly that the unbalanced state of the Pistons greatly affected the opportunities of the bigs to operate in the paint. Better shooting and a developing Drummond both would make things easier for GM. It also seemed to me that as the season progressed he was becoming more comfortable shooting the mid range.

That said, I can also see how a team like the Wizards might appeal to him. The Wiz are a pretty well balanced team right now, and Monroe would be a great addition for them. Still, I think the Pistons would be making a mistake to let him walk for nothing. If he really wants out then trade him later.

I guess this comes down to your opinion on what we can trade him for down the road as opposed to who we can sign instead of him this summer.

[hoophabit]

Personally, I feel no compulsion to belittle those who don't like Monroe. Reasonable people can disagree without it being based on man-love or stupidity. I'd like to see us retain Monroe if he wants to stay. I feel very strongly that the unbalanced state of the Pistons greatly affected the opportunities of the bigs to operate in the paint. Better shooting and a developing Drummond both would make things easier for GM. It also seemed to me that as the season progressed he was becoming more comfortable shooting the mid range.

That said, I can also see how a team like the Wizards might appeal to him. The Wiz are a pretty well balanced team right now, and Monroe would be a great addition for them. Still, I think the Pistons would be making a mistake to let him walk for nothing. If he really wants out then trade him later.

I guess this comes down to your opinion on what we can trade him for down the road as opposed to who we can sign instead of him this summer.

On this we agree, as it's a dynamic that will play out. If the right circumstance arose where we could improve the team by subtracting Monroe I'd have no problem with it. However, as I look at this year's free agents I see a few high profile guys either with early termination options or Melo, all of whom are likely not coming to Detroit given the state of the team. The rest are pretty much middling players, has beens or never weres. That's not to say that some of these guys couldn't help the team, but we don't have to dump Monroe to get most of them.

[sc8581]

Personally, I feel no compulsion to belittle those who don't like Monroe. Reasonable people can disagree without it being based on man-love or stupidity. I'd like to see us retain Monroe if he wants to stay. I feel very strongly that the unbalanced state of the Pistons greatly affected the opportunities of the bigs to operate in the paint. Better shooting and a developing Drummond both would make things easier for GM. It also seemed to me that as the season progressed he was becoming more comfortable shooting the mid range.

That said, I can also see how a team like the Wizards might appeal to him. The Wiz are a pretty well balanced team right now, and Monroe would be a great addition for them. Still, I think the Pistons would be making a mistake to let him walk for nothing. If he really wants out then trade him later.

I guess this comes down to your opinion on what we can trade him for down the road as opposed to who we can sign instead of him this summer.

On this we agree, as it's a dynamic that will play out. If the right circumstance arose where we could improve the team by subtracting Monroe I'd have no problem with it. However, as I look at this year's free agents I see a few high profile guys either with early termination options or Melo, all of whom are likely not coming to Detroit given the state of the team. The rest are pretty much middling players, has beens or never weres. That's not to say that some of these guys couldn't help the team, but we don't have to dump Monroe to get most of them.

Personally I would just prefer to sign multiple players that would slide nicely into roles right away for us than to lock up Monroe for a ridiculous amount of money.

[MrBigShot]

Without Smith in there Monroe started chucking and was extremely inefficient.

That's not true at all Even if he wasn't too much efficient, the team played so much well with Monroe and without Smith.

The "boyfriend" comment is immature, grow up.

You're a cool dude Clarity, I don't wanna see you crying if Monroe leaves us, I'm only was showing you the reality.

I can back up my statement with facts, can you?

With a small sample size that shows that even when Monroe was inefficient by his standards with Smith out, he was still more efficient than Smith. Those 17.6 points on 16.6 shots are still better than Smith's 16.4 points on 16 shots a game. In other words, if you thought that sample size from Monroe was inefficient, Smith's entire year was laughable. And of course Monroe should shoot a higher percentage because he takes most of his shots close to the basket, but at the end of the day he was still more efficient. We've been through this already though.

I really just don't think letting Monroe walk for nothing would be a wise decision.

Side note: LaMarcus "not a great player" Aldridge leading the NBA in playoff PER...

[sc8581]

That's not true at all Even if he wasn't too much efficient, the team played so much well with Monroe and without Smith.


You're a cool dude Clarity, I don't wanna see you crying if Monroe leaves us, I'm only was showing you the reality.

I can back up my statement with facts, can you?

With a small sample size that shows that even when Monroe was inefficient by his standards with Smith out, he was still more efficient than Smith. Those 17.6 points on 16.6 shots are still better than Smith's 16.4 points on 16 shots a game. In other words, if you thought that sample size from Monroe was inefficient, Smith's entire year was laughable. And of course Monroe should shoot a higher percentage because he takes most of his shots close to the basket, but at the end of the day he was still more efficient. We've been through this already though.

I really just don't think letting Monroe walk for nothing would be a wise decision.

Side note: LaMarcus "not a great player" Aldridge leading the NBA in playoff PER...

Smith was also playing much further out of position than Monroe but you're right, we have been through this already but obviously he didn't see that conversation

[Clarity]

Done with the Monroe convos. lol