Trade deadline thread

[Piston Pete]

Prob gonna try to sign Anthony Bennett in the offseason.

[Cowology]

Prob gonna try to sign Anthony Bennett in the offseason.

[Pharaoh]

Rumour has it that if KD doesn't go to the Suns there was gonna be a 3 way deal between Phoenix, Atlanta & us where Collins goes to the Suns.

Wonder what the Hawks would have got from Phoenix in that scenario.

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[chrbal]

Prob gonna try to sign Anthony Bennett in the offseason.

Almost made a poll listing players that will most likely not resign with their current team)ex lottery pick busts like Jaxson Hayes) and asking “who do you think we’ll sign?

[Piston Pete]

Rumour has it that if KD doesn't go to the Suns there was gonna be a 3 way deal between Phoenix, Atlanta & us where Collins goes to the Suns.

Wonder what the Hawks would have got from Phoenix in that scenario.

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I like how you subtly implied/acknowledged that we’d figure out a way to get nothing in that deal.

[edmunder_prc]

Weaver now has his number 1 prospect from 2020 and his number 2 prospect from 2018 in Bagley. Look out.

With his Hayes, Stewart, Bey tri-FLOP-ta and his valuing Wiseman and Bagley - I am not confident in Weaver's eye for talent at all.

Those guys right there are 0-5 having the talent to be anything other than 8th men on good teams.

Anyone with hope for the team is on the irrational side. No clear reasons other than lets hope Cade is actually his best 20 games, but he plays that way the rest of his career.

[Piston Pete]

Prob gonna try to sign Anthony Bennett in the offseason.

Almost made a poll listing players that will most likely not resign with their current team)ex lottery pick busts like Jaxson Hayes) and asking “who do you think we’ll sign?

UFA (very slim pickins):
Jerami Grant
Caris LeVert
Christian Wood
Terence Davis
Jalen McDaniels
Mo Wagner
Oshae Brissett
Justise Winslow
Thomas Bryant
RJ Hampton

Most the guys we’d be more interested in, especially the younger ones, are RFA.

[Piston Pete]

Weaver now has his number 1 prospect from 2020 and his number 2 prospect from 2018 in Bagley. Look out.

With his Hayes, Stewart, Bey tri-FLOP-ta and his valuing Wiseman and Bagley - I am not confident in Weaver's eye for talent at all.

Those guys right there are 0-5 having the talent to be anything other than 8th men on good teams.

Anyone with hope for the team is on the irrational side. No clear reasons other than lets hope Cade is actually his best 20 games, but he plays that way the rest of his career.

It’s very evident that Weaver does NOT put a premium on shooting.

[tradez401]

if weaver wanted another big with size bamba wouldve been a much better option. also bey shouldve been traded for a 3 and d wing.

Was hoping, if we were going to trade Bey, for him to be dealt for one of Brooklyns pair (Finney-Smith or O’Neale).

Brooklyn now has DFS, O’Neale, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and Joe Harris

nets got a logjam at the wing and we got a logjam with bigs lol.

[coordinator0]

Losing Bey is not a big deal to me.

It's pretty clear that Weaver valued Wiseman more highly than anyone else did, and it's not clear why he should- we've already got multiple young centers.

Yeah. This is where I'm at. Bey seems to be ending up as an inefficient and streaky volume scorer that can't defend and most likely won't ever be able to. Meh.

Wiseman added to the mix just doesn't make sense if the team is high on Duren. Sure, a backup is needed but wasn't that supposed to be Stewart getting some minutes there? Who the team is also supposedly high on? I've never been a fan of piling on multiple assets at one spot. Inevitably at least one guy doesn't get minutes or a role and his supposed trade value tanks.

Whatever. There's still so much in flux with this team that it's hard to envision anybody as a long-term cog besides Cunningham. Maybe.

[a8bil]

The one thing I think you guys are missing is Wiseman's size. His standing reach is 9'6". Bagley's is 8'9". Wiseman is massive and agile, and his hands were improving measurably during his time with GSW. He's a project -- and a lot of the work has to focus on what's going on between those ears -- but physically there is a lot to work with there. Just keep in mind he's still very raw...no college, COVID, injury to his knee and sitting on the bench translates to a guy who's about at a 1st year level of experience.

[DBC10]

Losing Bey is not a big deal to me.

It's pretty clear that Weaver valued Wiseman more highly than anyone else did, and it's not clear why he should- we've already got multiple young centers.

Yeah. This is where I'm at. Bey seems to be ending up as an inefficient and streaky volume scorer that can't defend and most likely won't ever be able to. Meh.

Wiseman added to the mix just doesn't make sense if the team is high on Duren. Sure, a backup is needed but wasn't that supposed to be Stewart getting some minutes there? Who the team is also supposedly high on? I've never been a fan of piling on multiple assets at one spot. Inevitably at least one guy doesn't get minutes or a role and his supposed trade value tanks.

Whatever. There's still so much in flux with this team that it's hard to envision anybody as a long-term cog besides Cunningham. Maybe.

Yep same. I don't really mind we dealt Bey, it kind of opens the door to trade anyone at this point besides Cade, Ivey, and Duren which I'm fine with

What I do mind is the Duren-Wiseman part. Their roles are effectively the same and I'm heavily leaning on developing Duren more than Wiseman so the overlap doesn't make much sense

[a8bil]

Losing Bey is not a big deal to me.

It's pretty clear that Weaver valued Wiseman more highly than anyone else did, and it's not clear why he should- we've already got multiple young centers.

Yeah. This is where I'm at. Bey seems to be ending up as an inefficient and streaky volume scorer that can't defend and most likely won't ever be able to. Meh.

Wiseman added to the mix just doesn't make sense if the team is high on Duren. Sure, a backup is needed but wasn't that supposed to be Stewart getting some minutes there? Who the team is also supposedly high on? I've never been a fan of piling on multiple assets at one spot. Inevitably at least one guy doesn't get minutes or a role and his supposed trade value tanks.

Whatever. There's still so much in flux with this team that it's hard to envision anybody as a long-term cog besides Cunningham. Maybe.

Yep same. I don't really mind we dealt Bey, it kind of opens the door to trade anyone at this point besides Cade, Ivey, and Duren which I'm fine with

What I do mind is the Duren-Wiseman part. Their roles are effectively the same and I'm heavily leaning on developing Duren more than Wiseman so the overlap doesn't make much sense

Duren has far better rebounding and defensive instincts. Wiseman better offense. Not exactly the same, but your not wrong that you want those two in similar roles.

[theBigLip]

I do wonder what our part was in the Suns-Hawks 3 way. Anyone seen the details?

[Pharaoh]

Rumour has it that if KD doesn't go to the Suns there was gonna be a 3 way deal between Phoenix, Atlanta & us where Collins goes to the Suns.

Wonder what the Hawks would have got from Phoenix in that scenario.

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I like how you subtly implied/acknowledged that we’d figure out a way to get nothing in that deal.

Figured our part in that included Bey

I imagine the Suns would have sent Cam, Crowder and picks for Collins with us maybe taking back some 2nd or a expiring deal

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[theBigLip]

I think I’m ok with the Bey trade and not so much keeping Bags/Burks/Bagley (I hate Bees )

A few things we now know for sure:
- Noel had no trade value. He has value but I think other teams knew he would be bought out so no sense to give up assets and pay his $9.8M salary. That killed his value.
- Bey had less value than we thought. He has flaws. Livers is/will be better than him. He will want a fat extension. Good for us to move on even if we didn’t get much.
- Wiseman is a small risk-high potential pickup. I don’t think of Stewart as a center unless we are playing small ball. Duren is our future center. But we still need a solid backup. Is that Bagley? Most would say not. So maybe Wiseman can stay healthy and get better and fill that role. As long as we can extend him for cheap, we should be good.
- Bagley can be dumped this summer. Hopefully he plays well the rest of the season.

[Piston Pete]

I think I’m ok with the Bey trade and not so much keeping Bags/Burks/Bagley (I hate Bees )

A few things we now know for sure:
- Noel had no trade value. He has value but I think other teams knew he would be bought out so no sense to give up assets and pay his $9.8M salary. That killed his value.
- Bey had less value than we thought. He has flaws. Livers is/will be better than him. He will want a fat extension. Good for us to move on even if we didn’t get much.
- Wiseman is a small risk-high potential pickup. I don’t think of Stewart as a center unless we are playing small ball. Duren is our future center. But we still need a solid backup. Is that Bagley? Most would say not. So maybe Wiseman can stay healthy and get better and fill that role. As long as we can extend him for cheap, we should be good.
- Bagley can be dumped this summer. Hopefully he plays well the rest of the season.

Just playing devil’s advocate…

But I find it funny how people are now saying we over-valued Bey.

But then will also say things like “Livers is/will be better than him.”

[DET_Athletics]

Pg - Ivey
Sg - Burks
Sf - Stewart
Pf - Wiseman
C - Duren

Pg- Hayes
Sg- diallo
Sf- Stewart
Pf- Wiseman
C- Duren


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More like:
Cade / Hayes
Ivey / Burks / Hamido
Lottery pick / Bojan / Livers
Stewart / Bagley
Duren / Wiseman
That's great depth at every position.

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[Kalamazoo317]

I’m on record that if Beefstew is going to work for the team longterm it needs to be as a 4. He just isn’t big enough to play winning ball at the 5.

[DET_Athletics]

Look, I loved Bey, but he had to go. Either way this lottery shakes out we were drafting another high up side wing or cade was moving to the 3 spot. Only way that didn't happen was if we won the lottery and I highly doubt we will be that lucky again.

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