The Trade Thread

[paQo the BAWSER]

I think Sullinger would be an incredible fit next to Drummond...

[mercury]

From USA Today:
"Monroe's agent, David Falk, is known to have taken a max-contract-or-no-deal stance last summer when an extension was not agreed upon between the two sides, and there were strong signs even before Monroe's production declined that Dumars didn't see him as a max player. Yet anyone who saw Falk's deft handling of the Roy Hibbert situation two summers ago should know better than to doubt his ability to find a max offer for Monroe in restricted free agency this summer: The Indiana Pacers had no plans of paying Hibbert max money, but the Portland Trail Blazers did to force Indiana to match.

Could Falk do it again with Monroe, perhaps by trying to place him back with the Washington Wizards, where all his Georgetown fans could watch him play or with the Atlanta Hawks, run by former Falk client and current general manager Danny Ferry, if they could free up some space? It seems plausible, especially considering Monroe's reputation for his high-character personality that, in addition to being yet another similarity to Hibbert, often comes with an added cost."

[Spider156]

From USA Today:
"Monroe's agent, David Falk, is known to have taken a max-contract-or-no-deal stance last summer when an extension was not agreed upon between the two sides, and there were strong signs even before Monroe's production declined that Dumars didn't see him as a max player. Yet anyone who saw Falk's deft handling of the Roy Hibbert situation two summers ago should know better than to doubt his ability to find a max offer for Monroe in restricted free agency this summer: The Indiana Pacers had no plans of paying Hibbert max money, but the Portland Trail Blazers did to force Indiana to match.

Could Falk do it again with Monroe, perhaps by trying to place him back with the Washington Wizards, where all his Georgetown fans could watch him play or with the Atlanta Hawks, run by former Falk client and current general manager Danny Ferry, if they could free up some space? It seems plausible, especially considering Monroe's reputation for his high-character personality that, in addition to being yet another similarity to Hibbert, often comes with an added cost."

Nice comments. I like whoever wrote this. I do believe his agent will be able to get a max contract for Monroe. I say trade him this deadline and Dumars should know the type of deals he can get for him. I HAVE to believe that Dumars has a several juicy offers for Monroe and he's waiting for the big catch. If Dumars doesn't trade him, then I'll have to assume that he's frozen and will be released by the end of the season.

[Kilo]

He gets a max contract from another team it can only be four years, and we could trade him mid-season to any other team than the team he signs that offer sheet with. Moose will be tradeable at the max with only 3/5 years remaining and at the ripe old age of 24 years old. I'm not in the least bit worried about matching any offer sheet.

[ComboGuardCity]

From USA Today:
"Monroe's agent, David Falk, is known to have taken a max-contract-or-no-deal stance last summer when an extension was not agreed upon between the two sides, and there were strong signs even before Monroe's production declined that Dumars didn't see him as a max player. Yet anyone who saw Falk's deft handling of the Roy Hibbert situation two summers ago should know better than to doubt his ability to find a max offer for Monroe in restricted free agency this summer: The Indiana Pacers had no plans of paying Hibbert max money, but the Portland Trail Blazers did to force Indiana to match.

Could Falk do it again with Monroe, perhaps by trying to place him back with the Washington Wizards, where all his Georgetown fans could watch him play or with the Atlanta Hawks, run by former Falk client and current general manager Danny Ferry, if they could free up some space? It seems plausible, especially considering Monroe's reputation for his high-character personality that, in addition to being yet another similarity to Hibbert, often comes with an added cost."

Nice comments. I like whoever wrote this. I do believe his agent will be able to get a max contract for Monroe. I say trade him this deadline and Dumars should know the type of deals he can get for him. I HAVE to believe that Dumars has a several juicy offers for Monroe and he's waiting for the big catch. If Dumars doesn't trade him, then I'll have to assume that he's frozen and will be released by the end of the season.

Do you have an alternative plan? Why not sign Moose?

[Kilo]

Who could we trade Charlie Villanueva for to add/improve this season? I think this is the more likely scenario over the next two weeks than moving a big piece or selling and tanking.

It would have to be a non-play-off team looking to tank further under the disguise of acquiring an expiring contract to free up cap space for a big off-season.

Looking at current non-playoff teams -

Milwaukee
Orlando
Philly
Utah
Cleveland
Sacto
Boston
LALakers
New Orleans
Minnesota
Denver
Memphis

We'd be very likely looking to add a starting veteran two guard, or combo 1/2 or 2/3 swing type. Now of those play-off teams which ones would have such an asset and would they be available?

[Q00]

From USA Today:
"Monroe's agent, David Falk, is known to have taken a max-contract-or-no-deal stance last summer when an extension was not agreed upon between the two sides, and there were strong signs even before Monroe's production declined that Dumars didn't see him as a max player. Yet anyone who saw Falk's deft handling of the Roy Hibbert situation two summers ago should know better than to doubt his ability to find a max offer for Monroe in restricted free agency this summer: The Indiana Pacers had no plans of paying Hibbert max money, but the Portland Trail Blazers did to force Indiana to match.

Could Falk do it again with Monroe, perhaps by trying to place him back with the Washington Wizards, where all his Georgetown fans could watch him play or with the Atlanta Hawks, run by former Falk client and current general manager Danny Ferry, if they could free up some space? It seems plausible, especially considering Monroe's reputation for his high-character personality that, in addition to being yet another similarity to Hibbert, often comes with an added cost."

Nice comments. I like whoever wrote this. I do believe his agent will be able to get a max contract for Monroe. I say trade him this deadline and Dumars should know the type of deals he can get for him. I HAVE to believe that Dumars has a several juicy offers for Monroe and he's waiting for the big catch. If Dumars doesn't trade him, then I'll have to assume that he's frozen and will be released by the end of the season.

If that ends up being the case then Gores is an idiot, because Monroe's value is at its peak right now with the most options available. Once its gets to the summer and teams know we are desparate, we will have to just take whatever they offer. Right now we still have some leverage. So if he really is going to prohibit Joe from making trades, then he needs to just dump him now and let someone else deal with the Monroe situation, because it really does need to be settled right now. Either commit to him or trade him.

[Neptune]

From USA Today:
"Monroe's agent, David Falk, is known to have taken a max-contract-or-no-deal stance last summer when an extension was not agreed upon between the two sides, and there were strong signs even before Monroe's production declined that Dumars didn't see him as a max player. Yet anyone who saw Falk's deft handling of the Roy Hibbert situation two summers ago should know better than to doubt his ability to find a max offer for Monroe in restricted free agency this summer: The Indiana Pacers had no plans of paying Hibbert max money, but the Portland Trail Blazers did to force Indiana to match.

Could Falk do it again with Monroe, perhaps by trying to place him back with the Washington Wizards, where all his Georgetown fans could watch him play or with the Atlanta Hawks, run by former Falk client and current general manager Danny Ferry, if they could free up some space? It seems plausible, especially considering Monroe's reputation for his high-character personality that, in addition to being yet another similarity to Hibbert, often comes with an added cost."

Nice comments. I like whoever wrote this. I do believe his agent will be able to get a max contract for Monroe. I say trade him this deadline and Dumars should know the type of deals he can get for him. I HAVE to believe that Dumars has a several juicy offers for Monroe and he's waiting for the big catch. If Dumars doesn't trade him, then I'll have to assume that he's frozen and will be released by the end of the season.

Haha, Monroe's not getting max money.

[Kilo]

Milwaukee - Caron Butler, Mayo, Neal, Udoh - maybe a workable package
Orlando - Afflalo, isn't going to be moved for expiring.
Philly - JRich if he can come back
Utah - no match
Cleveland - Deng, Jarrett Jack. Deng is expiring, so no CV match. Jack offers what Stuckey does already.
Sacto - no match
Boston - Gerald Wallace. Gulp, I could see it happening. Boston would be FA draw spot.
LALakers - No one
New Orleans - Evans or Gordon. Gordon more likely if they would trade him for expiring?
Minnesota - Kevin Martin. Likely not available for expiring as Minnesota not FA draw and need to win in hopes of keeping Love.
Denver - Wilson Chandler, likely not available in salary dump for expiring alone.
Memphis - Tayshaun Prince. Hmmm....


So from this list I think Milwaukee (Butler, Neal, Udoh), Philly (JRich if healthy), Boston (Gerald Wallace), New Orleans (Gordon) or Memphis (Tay Prince comes back) are the only reasonable possibilities for CV's expiring. Eric Gordon being the only big time talent, but comes with risks and don't know if NO would look to move him for salary dump - probably not.

[Q00]

Milwaukee - Caron Butler, Mayo, Neal, Udoh - maybe a workable package
Orlando - Afflalo, isn't going to be moved for expiring.
Philly - JRich if he can come back
Utah - no match
Cleveland - Deng, Jarrett Jack. Deng is expiring, so no CV match. Jack offers what Stuckey does already.
Sacto - no match
Boston - Gerald Wallace. Gulp, I could see it happening. Boston would be FA draw spot.
LALakers - No one
New Orleans - Evans or Gordon. Gordon more likely if they would trade him for expiring?
Minnesota - Kevin Martin. Likely not available for expiring as Minnesota not FA draw and need to win in hopes of keeping Love.
Denver - Wilson Chandler, likely not available in salary dump for expiring alone.
Memphis - Tayshaun Prince. Hmmm....

If we are just going to do a small trade, Gary Neal is #1 on my list.

So from this list I think Milwaukee (Butler, Neal, Udoh), Philly (JRich if healthy), Boston (Gerald Wallace), New Orleans (Gordon) or Memphis (Tay Prince comes back) are the only reasonable possibilities for CV's expiring. Eric Gordon being the only big time talent, but comes with risks and don't know if NO would look to move him for salary dump - probably not.

[ComboGuardCity]

From USA Today:
"Monroe's agent, David Falk, is known to have taken a max-contract-or-no-deal stance last summer when an extension was not agreed upon between the two sides, and there were strong signs even before Monroe's production declined that Dumars didn't see him as a max player. Yet anyone who saw Falk's deft handling of the Roy Hibbert situation two summers ago should know better than to doubt his ability to find a max offer for Monroe in restricted free agency this summer: The Indiana Pacers had no plans of paying Hibbert max money, but the Portland Trail Blazers did to force Indiana to match.

Could Falk do it again with Monroe, perhaps by trying to place him back with the Washington Wizards, where all his Georgetown fans could watch him play or with the Atlanta Hawks, run by former Falk client and current general manager Danny Ferry, if they could free up some space? It seems plausible, especially considering Monroe's reputation for his high-character personality that, in addition to being yet another similarity to Hibbert, often comes with an added cost."

Nice comments. I like whoever wrote this. I do believe his agent will be able to get a max contract for Monroe. I say trade him this deadline and Dumars should know the type of deals he can get for him. I HAVE to believe that Dumars has a several juicy offers for Monroe and he's waiting for the big catch. If Dumars doesn't trade him, then I'll have to assume that he's frozen and will be released by the end of the season.

If that ends up being the case then Gores is an idiot, because Monroe's value is at its peak right now with the most options available. Once its gets to the summer and teams know we are desparate, we will have to just take whatever they offer. Right now we still have some leverage. So if he really is going to prohibit Joe from making trades, then he needs to just dump him now and let someone else deal with the Monroe situation, because it really does need to be settled right now. Either commit to him or trade him.

You act as if GMs are stupid. You don't think they're smart enough to see what Monroe is going to get in 5 months?

[Neptune]

We need to get Waiters and another 3 before the deadline. I wouldn't mind Eric Gordon if the Pelicans take back Jerebko and Bynum.

[Q00]

Nice comments. I like whoever wrote this. I do believe his agent will be able to get a max contract for Monroe. I say trade him this deadline and Dumars should know the type of deals he can get for him. I HAVE to believe that Dumars has a several juicy offers for Monroe and he's waiting for the big catch. If Dumars doesn't trade him, then I'll have to assume that he's frozen and will be released by the end of the season.

If that ends up being the case then Gores is an idiot, because Monroe's value is at its peak right now with the most options available. Once its gets to the summer and teams know we are desparate, we will have to just take whatever they offer. Right now we still have some leverage. So if he really is going to prohibit Joe from making trades, then he needs to just dump him now and let someone else deal with the Monroe situation, because it really does need to be settled right now. Either commit to him or trade him.

You act as if GMs are stupid. You don't think they're smart enough to see what Monroe is going to get in 5 months?

I'm not sure what you mean, but the fact that the GMs know that we aren't likely to give him the max means they know they are going to have leverage in the offseason if we wait. In other words, they won't have to give us anything for him and will just sign him for the max and we will be ******.

However, right now if a team wants him, they still have to worry about competition of other teams trading for him first, and them taking over his rights in RFA. Meaning any team thinking they can just sign him in the summer, won't have that luxury anymore if another team acquires him first and does have intentions of matching any offer.

So we can actually get something for him now, but if we wait and aren't going to give him the max, then there's a legit possibilty he signs somewhere else and we get nothing. At this point, after all the trade talk this year I see little reason for him to take less money to stay here. If another team offers him a max deal and we don't, he's going to take it and we will get nothing.

[Kilo]

Would Monroe or Smoove at all be a fit for Golden State? According to the WT only Bogut and Curry are off-limits. I'd love either Barnes or Klay here in Detroit. But with Bogut and Lee starting at the four and five, it seems more likely they are looking to trade some of their depth for a legit superstar.

[ComboGuardCity]

Suns want Zbo. Here, have Josh.

2 trades:

DET OUT: Josh
DET IN: Jeff Green, Goodwin

PHX Out: Goodwin, Indy Pick, Okafor
Phx in: Josh, Bogans


BOS OUT: Green, Bogans
BOS In: Okafor (waived), Indy Pick



2nd trade:

Jonas and Bynum for Mayo


Jennings/Stuckey
KCP/Mayo
Green/Singler
Monroe/Green
Drummond/Monroe

[ComboGuardCity]

I'm not sure what you mean, but the fact that the GMs know that we aren't likely to give him the max means they know they are going to have leverage in the offseason if we wait. In other words, they won't have to give us anything for him and will just sign him for the max and we will be ******.

However, right now if a team wants him, they still have to worry about competition of other teams trading for him first, and them taking over his rights in RFA. Meaning any team thinking they can just sign him in the summer, won't have that luxury anymore if another team acquires him first and does have intentions of matching any offer.

So we can actually get something for him now, but if we wait and aren't going to give him the max, then there's a legit possibilty he signs somewhere else and we get nothing. At this point, after all the trade talk this year I see little reason for him to take less money to stay here. If another team offers him a max deal and we don't, he's going to take it and we will get nothing.

So...if we match anything offered to Greg, and it doesn't work out, we can trade him to one of those heavily pursuing teams by December 2014.

[Q00]

I'm not sure what you mean, but the fact that the GMs know that we aren't likely to give him the max means they know they are going to have leverage in the offseason if we wait. In other words, they won't have to give us anything for him and will just sign him for the max and we will be ******.

However, right now if a team wants him, they still have to worry about competition of other teams trading for him first, and them taking over his rights in RFA. Meaning any team thinking they can just sign him in the summer, won't have that luxury anymore if another team acquires him first and does have intentions of matching any offer.

So we can actually get something for him now, but if we wait and aren't going to give him the max, then there's a legit possibilty he signs somewhere else and we get nothing. At this point, after all the trade talk this year I see little reason for him to take less money to stay here. If another team offers him a max deal and we don't, he's going to take it and we will get nothing.

So...if we match anything offered to Greg, and it doesn't work out, we can trade him to one of those heavily pursuing teams by December 2014.

How often does itactually work out that way though? I remember the same thing was said with regards to Rip/Gordon. We ended up having to buyout Rip and give a #1 pick just to trade Gordon. Same thing with Smith now. He was attractive to some teams like Houston and Boston in the summer, but once he's got that 50 mil contract attached to his name, suddenly those teams aren't as interested anymore.

Monroe looks great now to other teams because they see opportunity for improvement and he's the only young big available. But if he's still the same player a year from now at 24, and he's now making max money, those same teams will start questioning if that's all he will ever be, and whether he's worth all that money, when other options start to become available instead....and then he's suddenly not so attractive anymore.


If the Pistons don't want to resign him in the first place its because they are forseeing being saddled with an overpaid player going forward who isn't worth his contract. So it wouldn't make any sense for them to sign him just to trade later, because they are already predicting that he's not going to be worth that deal, meaning they don't believe other teams aren't going to want him later either for that price.

Every year that passes for a young player and he doen't show improvement, his value decreases along with it. So unless you are banking on him having a big year next season, it wouldn't be wise to wait, in terms of value. Right now he's one of the premier trade targets in the league because there isn't a lot of other bigs available. This time next year though you are going to have other young players from the 2011 draft like Vucevic, Klay, Leonard, Faried, Tristan Thompson etc who may be in same position Monroe is now, and then he's not so valuable anymore.

[Warspite]

that doesnt make any sense. Monroe is still 4 yrs away from his prime. He will be a FA again before he enters his prime.

[princeofpalace]

The Suns are looking for a veteran big. Here's to hoping they inquire about Josh after striking out on Randolph.

[Q00]

There's rumors that GS is willing to trade anyone not named Curry or Bogut.

Monroe for Klay Thompson makes too much sense. I'd even add in KCP to sweeten the deal and give them a new young SG going forward to make it happen, if I were Joe.

Monroe for KCP straight up doesn't work salary wise anywise, but if you include KCP and they include Speights then it works.

I think it would be great fits for both teams. They have a great perimeter but had trouble scoring in the post in the playoffs last year. We have a great interior but have trouble scoring from 3. Monroe/Klay solves both problems for each team. And if they were getting Monroe they wouldn't need Speights anymore anyways, and likewise for us with KCP if we're getting Klay.

Speights would be a nice backup PF to fill out the rotation for us too without Monroe.

Jennings/Stuckey
Klay/Stuckey
Singler/Jerebko/Smith
Smith/Speights
Drummond/Harrellson

Then we'd have money to spend in the offseason for a SF in FA.