2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

aad · Post #921 » by **aad** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:27 am

We most likely will pick Keon Johnson or Davion Mitchell

LaSheed · Post #922 » by **LaSheed** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:05 am

One click of the ol simulator at work just shot my adrenaline through the roof. It gets crazy so hold on.

1. Twolves- Cade
2. Detroit
3. Houston
4. Sacramento

Obviously Cade goes #1.

Before Joseph's deal expires flip Plumlee, Joseph (expiring) for Rubio & Culver. Twolves save 9-10ish million I believe. Also thought about throwing in Jackson here but cap cost pushed me the other way. Culver could be switched with Hernangomez? Thinking about it Hernangomez probably more for balancing out the roster.

Trade #2 down to #3 with Houston. Get our pick back. (Would also be nice to flip our 3 2nds for 1 of their later picks #22, or #24 currently)

Then flip #3 to Sacramento for #4 & Bagley (is getting a future 1st too greedy?) so they can grab Mobley.

#4- Jalen Green
#22 or #24- BPA likely a front court mate.

Hayes/Rubio/Lee
Green/Diallo
Bey/Jackson/Syrvidis
Grant/Sekou/Hernangomez
Stewart/Bagley/Okafor/#24

This free agency sucks. Would love Rubio here to tutor Hayes for 1 year. Grab a vet Center. Vet guard.

tmorgan · Post #923 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:19 am

You need to add some way to get rid of Okafor to that. Other than the shove out the door for Wood, signing Okafor was the one thing I really disliked this off-season. That dude is friggin bum.

LaSheed · Post #924 » by **LaSheed** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:39 am

tmorgan wrote:You need to add some way to get rid of Okafor to that. Other than the shove out the door for Wood, signing Okafor was the one thing I really disliked this off-season. That dude is friggin bum.

The ol Weaver stretch LOL

MotownMadness · Post #925 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:18 pm

I wonder how many teams would even trade back or up in the top 4 with it being so strong. Kinda feel like every GM would just be content staying put and taking who's left.

Like Cade is definitely good but he also Played with a bad roster. If you put Suggs on that team he would avg 20 per game too. Vice versa Cade on a stacked Gonzaga is probably a 14ppg player.

LaSheed · Post #926 » by **LaSheed** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:04 pm

MotownMadness wrote:I wonder how many teams would even trade back or up in the top 4 with it being so strong. Kinda feel like every GM would just be content staying put and taking who's left.

Like Cade is definitely good but he also Played with a bad roster. If you put Suggs on that team he would avg 20 per game too. Vice versa Cade on a stacked Gonzaga is probably a 14ppg player.

Yah It was all a dream. I'd think Weaver takes Mobley and calls it a day.

DBC10 · Post #927 » by **DBC10** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:30 pm

MotownMadness wrote:I wonder how many teams would even trade back or up in the top 4 with it being so strong. Kinda feel like every GM would just be content staying put and taking who's left.

Like Cade is definitely good but he also Played with a bad roster. If you put Suggs on that team he would avg 20 per game too. Vice versa Cade on a stacked Gonzaga is probably a 14ppg player.

The reason why I value Cade above the rest despite the bad roster is, he's really not selfish, he wants to make his team better so that can be seen as a bad passive thing. At the same time, he has that extra gear where he'll think, "oh I need to score this" and he does effortlessly.

The other guys haven't really shown that level of versatility that he offers yet

MotownMadness · Post #928 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:03 pm

DBC10 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:I wonder how many teams would even trade back or up in the top 4 with it being so strong. Kinda feel like every GM would just be content staying put and taking who's left.

Like Cade is definitely good but he also Played with a bad roster. If you put Suggs on that team he would avg 20 per game too. Vice versa Cade on a stacked Gonzaga is probably a 14ppg player.

The reason why I value Cade above the rest despite the bad roster is, he's really not selfish, he wants to make his team better so that can be seen as a bad passive thing. At the same time, he has that extra gear where he'll think, "oh I need to score this" and he does effortlessly.

The other guys haven't really shown that level of versatility that he offers yet

Yeah he does play that way, he almost always gets all his points in the 2nd half cause he spends the first half trying to get guys going.

buzzkilloton · Post #929 » by **buzzkilloton** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:30 am

MotownMadness wrote:I wonder how many teams would even trade back or up in the top 4 with it being so strong. Kinda feel like every GM would just be content staying put and taking who's left.

Like Cade is definitely good but he also Played with a bad roster. If you put Suggs on that team he would avg 20 per game too. Vice versa Cade on a stacked Gonzaga is probably a 14ppg player.

Cade would likely score less but he would average more assist and shoot a higher FG% on the zags. Hes a much better shooter then Suggs. Cade shot 40% from 3 while being the focal point of every team. Suggs shot only 34% from 3pt on a stacked team getting better looks. Not to mention their is a big difference in volume Cade was shooting 2.2 shots more a game. The shooting difference also shows on the line where Cade is shooting 11% better.

Numbers arent the difference between the prospects. Cade could of averaged the same numbers as Suggs on a bad team and Cade would be the 1 pick. The difference is Cade is 6'8 with a 7ft wingspan. Sure Suggs is a better athlete but it doesnt matter when Cade has that size advantage and is a top notch shooter.

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/team/USA

These guys played together on a star-studded team in Fiba. Cade was the next best performer after Haliburton. Cade didnt shoot well neither did any of this years big prospects but he dominated the game in different ways.

Not to say I don't like Suggs. Hes a good prospect. Just if you have a chance at a do everything unicorn 6'8 lead ball handler you dont pass him for a player of regular man size. Its just alot rarer to find these do everything guys with size.

DNice68 · Post #930 » by **DNice68** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:42 am

LaSheed wrote:Man if there's 2 guys in this draft that scream Troy Weaver it's Jalen Green and Keon Johnson.

Keon Johnson is climbing my draft board and fast.

EDIT: Mobley as well. Weaver loves his bigs and he's by far the best one in the draft.

I think Weaver may think Green could be ‘his Westbrook’.

Pharaoh · Post #931 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:47 am

DNice68 wrote:
LaSheed wrote:Man if there's 2 guys in this draft that scream Troy Weaver it's Jalen Green and Keon Johnson.

Keon Johnson is climbing my draft board and fast.

EDIT: Mobley as well. Weaver loves his bigs and he's by far the best one in the draft.

I think Weaver may think Green could be ‘his Westbrook’.

More likely he sees Green as a scoring machine and it's exactly what we need.

I'd still take Cade #1 but Green is definitely my #2.

At #3 I take Suggs - but I'm a intangibles kinda guy.

Think all 3 compliment Hayes, Bey, Grant and Stewart in different ways.

Assuming we fall out of the top 5 I could see Weaver taking Barnes, especially after he was so high on Williams.

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tmorgan · Post #932 » by **tmorgan** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:55 am

If we end up at three with Cade and Green gone, I think a trade may be in order. Unless they get really good vibes from Mobley.

Neither Killian nor Suggs looks like a good NBA off ball player to me. Not good enough shooters, for one thing.

Regarding an earlier comment, if anyone in this draft looks like a Westbrook, it’s Suggs. Lots of skills, athlete, but not a great shooter.

DNice68 · Post #933 » by **DNice68** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:56 am

Pharaoh wrote:
DNice68 wrote:
LaSheed wrote:Man if there's 2 guys in this draft that scream Troy Weaver it's Jalen Green and Keon Johnson.

Keon Johnson is climbing my draft board and fast.

EDIT: Mobley as well. Weaver loves his bigs and he's by far the best one in the draft.

I think Weaver may think Green could be ‘his Westbrook’.
More likely he sees Green as a scoring machine and it's exactly what we need.

I'd still take Cade #1 but Green is definitely my #2.

At #3 I take Suggs - but I'm a intangibles kinda guy.

Think all 3 compliment Hayes, Bey, Grant and Stewart in different ways.

Assuming we fall out of the top 5 I could see Weaver taking Barnes, especially after he was so high on Williams.

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I could see them taking Barnes, if we fall to 6, but this Keon Johnson kid may be the one.

MotownMadness · Post #934 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:14 am

buzzkilloton wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:I wonder how many teams would even trade back or up in the top 4 with it being so strong. Kinda feel like every GM would just be content staying put and taking who's left.

Like Cade is definitely good but he also Played with a bad roster. If you put Suggs on that team he would avg 20 per game too. Vice versa Cade on a stacked Gonzaga is probably a 14ppg player.

Cade would likely score less but he would average more assist and shoot a higher FG% on the zags. Hes a much better shooter then Suggs. Cade shot 40% from 3 while being the focal point of every team. Suggs shot only 34% from 3pt on a stacked team getting better looks. Not to mention their is a big difference in volume Cade was shooting 2.2 shots more a game. The shooting difference also shows on the line where Cade is shooting 11% better.

Numbers arent the difference between the prospects. Cade could of averaged the same numbers as Suggs on a bad team and Cade would be the 1 pick. The difference is Cade is 6'8 with a 7ft wingspan. Sure Suggs is a better athlete but it doesnt matter when Cade has that size advantage and is a top notch shooter.

http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2019/team/USA

These guys played together on a star-studded team in Fiba. Cade was the next best performer after Haliburton. Cade didnt shoot well neither did any of this years big prospects but he dominated the game in different ways.

Not to say I don't like Suggs. Hes a good prospect. Just if you have a chance at a do everything unicorn 6'8 lead ball handler you dont pass him for a player of regular man size. Its just alot rarer to find these do everything guys with size.

Agree

whitehops · Post #935 » by **whitehops** » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:07 pm

i've been getting my hopes up for a top 3 pick (#1 pick being the dream) but lately i've been trying to prepare myself in case we drop to ~6th, which is a VERY real possibility.

the good news there is that there are multiple really athletic wing players for weaver to choose from. between kuminga, jalen johnson, scottie barnes, keon johnson, etc. we will have the chance to walk away with an athletic ball of clay to mold.

Manocad · Post #936 » by **Manocad** » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:37 pm

Juzang has declared for the draft. I wonder where he'll wind up in the mocks. And yes, I admit that he may already be in the mock drafts; I don't follow them.

whitehops · Post #937 » by **whitehops** » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:51 pm

Manocad wrote:Juzang has declared for the draft. I wonder where he'll wind up in the mocks. And yes, I admit that he may already be in the mock drafts; I don't follow them.

all over the place from what i've seen. a couple popular ones have him in the 15-20 range, hoopshype has an aggregate board that has him 45th, most mocks i've seen don't have him at all (which will likely change at their next update).

it's an interesting case and one reason why i think march madness is bad for scouting. the sample size is so small and people get wrapped up in the hype. unless juzang really impresses teams in workouts i would be surprised if he cracks the top 20 and realistically i don't think he'll get drafted in the first round.

Manocad · Post #938 » by **Manocad** » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:59 pm

whitehops wrote:
Manocad wrote:Juzang has declared for the draft. I wonder where he'll wind up in the mocks. And yes, I admit that he may already be in the mock drafts; I don't follow them.

all over the place from what i've seen. a couple popular ones have him in the 15-20 range, hoopshype has an aggregate board that has him 45th, most mocks i've seen don't have him at all (which will likely change at their next update).

it's an interesting case and one reason why i think march madness is bad for scouting. the sample size is so small and people get wrapped up in the hype. unless juzang really impresses teams in workouts i would be surprised if he cracks the top 20 and realistically i don't think he'll get drafted in the first round.

Definitely a second rounder in my book and if he was there when I was drafting I'd take him.

MotownMadness · Post #939 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:23 pm

Someone will still turn into a AllStar in this draft outside the top 5 but finding it will be hard. I would target a SG.

Springer
Bouknight
Keon Johnson

Springer is my favorite

edmunder_prc · Post #940 » by **edmunder_prc** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:27 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Someone will still turn into a AllStar in this draft outside the top 5 but finding it will be hard. I would target a SG.

Springer
Bouknight
Keon Johnson

Springer is my favorite

Early in the year USC against UConn, Bouknight was the only guy on the floor that looked like an NBA'er. Mobley played scared.

Bouknight was a 1 man show, the ball in his hands about 100% of the time he was on the floor, green light shooting from deep. That was my memory.

But I just looked at the ESPN Boxscore and Bouknight went 5-15 (3-6 from three), 5-5 FT in 33 minutes. 18 points, leading scorer and Uconn won against USC.