2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

[treefi]

Juzang has declared for the draft. I wonder where he'll wind up in the mocks. And yes, I admit that he may already be in the mock drafts; I don't follow them.

all over the place from what i've seen. a couple popular ones have him in the 15-20 range, hoopshype has an aggregate board that has him 45th, most mocks i've seen don't have him at all (which will likely change at their next update).

it's an interesting case and one reason why i think march madness is bad for scouting. the sample size is so small and people get wrapped up in the hype. unless juzang really impresses teams in workouts i would be surprised if he cracks the top 20 and realistically i don't think he'll get drafted in the first round.

Definitely a second rounder in my book and if he was there when I was drafting I'd take him.

I would be thrilled with Juzang as an early 2nd round pick. If his wingspan is really over 7'0", I'd even trade up into late 1st to take him.

[BJK1]

So tragic. RIP, young man.

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[MotownMadness]

So tragic. RIP, young man.

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You gotta be kidding me, RIP young fella

[DBC10]

So tragic. RIP, young man.

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Anyone watch the video? It's pretty damn bad, he ran a red light and apparently didn't have his seat belt on. That impact looked absolutely brutal, no braking action at all after side swiping the truck

Tragic

[Pharaoh]

So tragic. RIP, young man.

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Anyone watch the video? It's pretty damn bad, he ran a red light and apparently didn't have his seat belt on. That impact looked absolutely brutal, no braking action at all after side swiping the truck

Tragic

Read through the general board thread, watched the clip...

Didn't realise how connected the kid was to the Boston balling community or Celtics players.

There's talk of maybe letting him be drafted by the Celtics with a honorary pick!


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[LaSheed]

Evan Mobley pretty comparable to Jaren Jackson Jr?

[The Moose]

if we fall out of the top 5, I'm hoping we take a serious look at Josh Giddey.

And yes there is a huge national bias on my opinion lol

[DCintheD]

After Cade I want Suggs. A franchise pg >>> scorer (Green) or the next Bosh (Mobley). Hate to do this to the kid this early in his career but I don’t think Hayes is it. He’ll be solid but not a franchise leader type when compared to Suggs.

Suggs feels like a Piston.

[El Chivo]

Don't worry, we will pick in Scottie Barnes / Bouknight range.

[vic]

Good Analysis of the top 5:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/the5pointplay-vol8

Only difference for me is I put Green Higher than Suggs now.

[DET_Athletics]

I think this is spot on except I think he is the slashing, get to the rim at will verse of Dame. where as Dame has just been lights out shooting since day one.

Suggs honestly reminds me alot of Dame, but I can see other comparisons as well. The player I don't want is Kuminga. Don't get me wrong he has all the earmarks of a potential all-star, but he has the highest bust potential of all the players imo. In a draft with Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Glenn Robinson, Juwan Howard and Eddie Jones I don't want to be the sad sack team drafting Donyell Marshall or even worse Lamond Murray.

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[tmorgan]

Good Analysis of the top 5:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/the5pointplay-vol8

Only difference for me is I put Green Higher than Suggs now.

Good article, and well-written, but I’m not as convinced Mobley has the heart to be the clear #2. And I definitely prefer Green to Suggs. This idea that the mental game trumps everything is suspect — there are plenty of savvy players that can’t get things done in the NBA because they lack a shot, or athleticism, or whatever.

[buzzkilloton]

Good Analysis of the top 5:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/the5pointplay-vol8

Only difference for me is I put Green Higher than Suggs now.

Thanks for sharing this was good.

This seem to be the consensus were seeing from most scouts as a top 5 so far. Givony's top 5 is going the same way. I think scouts and NBA execs know that Mobley has a game thats going to look way better in the pros. Mobley has that 7ft unicorn that can switch on anyone on defense big man game thats not easy to find so hes going to get taken over guys who're more regular human size. That said it always seems like NBA teams take big men over great smaller players every draft and miss out. If Mobley turns into a AD light/Bosh type player though thats very worth the 2 pick.

For me I'm happy with any of the top 4 guys. Kuminga I get why hes going 5 as if he hits his ceiling is so high. I think many times hes a bust though. Still with his age and potential I'm taking him at 5 and hoping he works out. I'm not very excited with the 6+ prospects so hopefully we dont end up there.

[bstein14]

It's top 4 or another year of the tank most likely. May make sense to move on from Grant and Plumlee if we can't land a top 4 pick.

[whitehops]

Good Analysis of the top 5:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/the5pointplay-vol8

Only difference for me is I put Green Higher than Suggs now.

For me I'm happy with any of the top 4 guys.

i'd be happy with any of the top 4 guys, but if we're drafting 4th and we end up with green i'd be ecstatic (i'd take him 2nd overall).

mobley is a great talent - there's no doubt about that. but the problem with having a center as your top player is that you still need an elite wing creator to have a great team. jokic is pretty much the only exception and it's because he has an elite feel for the game, elite skill level and elite playmaking ability regardless of position.

so if we take mobley, he'd likely get us out of the basement of the league but then we'd still need a great perimeter option to create offense. i think it's a lot better if we take suggs or green to at least have a chance at adding a good/great perimeter player and then making it work with other centers. you pretty much need a top 3 pick (or max money) to find players like embiid, towns, davis, bosh, etc. but later you can find good bigs like turner (11th overall), sabonis (11th), adebayo (14th), collins (19th), allen (22nd), etc. heck the warriors picked wiseman 2nd overall this past draft as he was in/near the "unicorn" territory, while isaiah stewart was the second center taken in the draft at 16. the only other center taken in the first round was udoka azubuikethe at 27. the league has de-valued the center position so much that unless you're one of the unicorns you're probably going to fall way below where you should. stewart is already kind of proving that, as he's looked miles better than wiseman in their rookie seasons.

that's my thinking at least. i'd take mobley fourth because there's a huge talent gap (imo) after that since i'm skeptical of kuminga reaching his perceived potential.

[buzzkilloton]

Good Analysis of the top 5:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/the5pointplay-vol8

Only difference for me is I put Green Higher than Suggs now.

For me I'm happy with any of the top 4 guys.

i'd be happy with any of the top 4 guys, but if we're drafting 4th and we end up with green i'd be ecstatic (i'd take him 2nd overall).

mobley is a great talent - there's no doubt about that. but the problem with having a center as your top player is that you still need an elite wing creator to have a great team. jokic is pretty much the only exception and it's because he has an elite feel for the game, elite skill level and elite playmaking ability regardless of position.

so if we take mobley, he'd likely get us out of the basement of the league but then we'd still need a great perimeter option to create offense. i think it's a lot better if we take suggs or green to at least have a chance at adding a good/great perimeter player and then making it work with other centers. you pretty much need a top 3 pick (or max money) to find players like embiid, towns, davis, bosh, etc. but later you can find good bigs like turner (11th overall), sabonis (11th), adebayo (14th), collins (19th), allen (22nd), etc. heck the warriors picked wiseman 2nd overall this past draft as he was in/near the "unicorn" territory, while isaiah stewart was the second center taken in the draft at 16. the only other center taken in the first round was udoka azubuikethe at 27. the league has de-valued the center position so much that unless you're one of the unicorns you're probably going to fall way below where you should. stewart is already kind of proving that, as he's looked miles better than wiseman in their rookie seasons.

that's my thinking at least. i'd take mobley fourth because there's a huge talent gap (imo) after that since i'm skeptical of kuminga reaching his perceived potential.

Theirs only one guy in this draft who possibly is going to be good enough to turn us into a contender by being our only high pick. Thats Cade if Cade turns into a Luka level player. Even Luka with how good he is still needs a better number two then Porzingis to play with the big boys.

Say Green hit his ceiling which is a Beal/Lavine type player are we a contender? No look at the teams with Beal and Lavine they are borderline playoff teams at best. Suggs even if he turns into the next CP3 its not enough. CP3 played with a prime Blake who was a number 1 pick.

My point is we should be drafting expecting to have to hit on another guy in the draft the season after. It takes more then one player. Its nice we have some solid young pieces but we need TWO big time lotto talents regardless of taking Mobley/Green/Suggs or even if we draft Cade. Hopefully were in position next season to add another guy.

I imagine Weaver is aware that we need more then one big time player. I mean look at the Thunder they drafted a true once in a decade talent in Durant then followed with a four pick in WEstbrook and a 3 pick in Harden.

[vic]

It's a good point that you need a wing before a big. Even Anthony Davis couldn't get anywhere until he got Lebron.

But I actually think Cade is the only wing more valuable than Mobley. I actually see Mobley as a 7 foot wing that can play big.

If you get Mobley, he's got the skill to create on the wing and the quickness to defend the wing.

I think there's other wings you can get to create a championship team around Mobley as well.
The 04 Pistons had 2 two way wings and a point guard next to the Wallaces and they won a championship.

With Stewart's shooting & Mobley's shooting and wing skills those are 2 bigs you can build a championship team around.

[flow]

It's a good point that you need a wing before a big. Even Anthony Davis couldn't get anywhere until he got Lebron.

But I actually think Cade is the only wing more valuable than Mobley. I actually see Mobley as a 7 foot wing that can play big.

If you get Mobley, he's got the skill to create on the wing and the quickness to defend the wing.

I think there's other wings you can get to create a championship team around Mobley as well.
The 04 Pistons had 2 two way wings and a point guard next to the Wallaces and they won a championship.

With Stewart's shooting & Mobley's shooting and wing skills those are 2 bigs you can build a championship team around.

The jury is still out on Stewart's shooting ability. While he makes some, he also puts up some pretty phenomenal airball/bricks. Last night he almost broke the backboard with one.

[edmunder_prc]

My point is we should be drafting expecting to have to hit on another guy in the draft the season after. It takes more then one player. Its nice we have some solid young pieces but we need TWO big time lotto talents regardless of taking Mobley/Green/Suggs or even if we draft Cade. Hopefully were in position next season to add another guy.

I imagine Weaver is aware that we need more then one big time player. I mean look at the Thunder they drafted a true once in a decade talent in Durant then followed with a four pick in WEstbrook and a 3 pick in Harden.

Weaver went all in with his first draft, 3 first round draft picks! This will make it nearly impossible to hope for successive tanks. Adding to 3 first round picks - Grant and Plumlee have 3 year deals.

This is it, this is the Pistons 1 opportunity to tank. And Casey managed to **** it up.


Getting 3 first round picks is great. Hitting on them even better (Hayes is questionable). Piling on vets like Grant, Plumlee, Ellington, McGruder who are not down for the tank and get the Pistons a bunch of meaningless wins to a team that wants to go all youth and tank. That doesnt add up. They are two plans that train wreck into each other.

[buzzkilloton]

Weaver went all in with his first draft, 3 first round drafts! This will make it nearly impossible to hope for successive tanks. Adding to 3 first round picks - Grant and Plumlee have 3 year deals.

This is it, this is the Pistons 1 opportunity to tank. And Casey managed to **** it up.


Getting 3 first round picks is great. Hitting on them even better (Hayes is questionable). Piling on vets like Grant, Plumlee, Ellington, McGruder who are not down for the tank and get the Pistons a bunch of meaningless wins to a team that wants to go all youth and tank. That doesnt add up. They are two plans that train wreck into each other.

I wish we didnt sign Plumlee or Grant or at least traded GRant but it is what it is now. Even with those two and our nice rookie class as long as dont go after another Vet were a lotto team. We wont be bottom 3 of course but were still pretty bad barring landing Cade and hes Luka.

Lets look at teams next season.

100% worse then us no question in my mind.
Hou
Orl

Teams that I think were in a tie with:
Cle(sure they could be worse but I dont know if its 100% mayeb closer to tier 1 its whatever)
OKC SGA coming back and a high pick should make them better
SA DDR may be gone depends on that
SAC Still has Fox but we could outperform them

Teams that should be better:

Tor you would think even losing Lowry Siakam and FVV would be enough
Ind always a solid team
Mem-Jackson healthy Ja anothr year
Chi-full year of Vuc with the young guys growing
Wash-Beal and WEstbrook have really got it going

Looking at things as long as we dont go out and figure out a way to grab a guy like DDR and kill the tank I think we are right there in the second grouping with a rookie added. So that means likely looking at that 45% top 4 range again.