Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher)

[zeebneeb]

He’s a bad enough GM that we lucked into the first pick.

That’s not a good thing…… if his intention was to tank, then his moves don’t make sense. He’s just a bad GM.

You say that, but this is the best trajectory the teams been on in 13 years.

Can't argue with results. Now is when the heavy lifting begins though, and Weaver starts to define himself.

[Piston Pete]

We’ll see….lol

[MotownMadness]

He’s a bad enough GM that we lucked into the first pick.

That’s not a good thing…… if his intention was to tank, then his moves don’t make sense. He’s just a bad GM.

I disagree and think he's set the franchise up in a good position. While some of the moves were strange to me with all the trading and stretching he still has us in a position for another top pick and a ton of capspace.

So it's not like it's really done any damage seeing as we're exactly where pretty much all of us complained for years about wanting to be.

[Manocad]

Honestly, Jerami Grant just isn't all that great and I think teams know that. He's a highly paid third or fourth best starter on a playoff team. I'm sure he has SOME value but not what Pistons are hoping for.

That's my guess.

[FloridaMan78]

Weaver has really just been crap.

IMO, he’s only made a few good moves. Stewart and Bey picks. The trade for Diallo. Picking up Frank Jackson. That’s about it….can anyone think of others? I’d say the signing of Grant too, but he might mess it up by extending Grant, so…

I’ll be pretty frustrated if he doesn’t trade Grant. But overall I’ve liked what he’s done. I’m not sure if he’s the guy to get us there, but I respect how he’s building culture here. He’s showing he’s a players GM and that’s playing with fire IMO. That makes his moves questionable though, most look like loses, but I don’t think he cares.

[FloridaMan78]

Jerami Grant came in close second in most improved player last year and was traded for a 11-30 1st round pick the year before. There’s your value.

[mattao313]

Weaver has really just been crap.

IMO, he’s only made a few good moves. Stewart and Bey picks. The trade for Diallo. Picking up Frank Jackson. That’s about it….can anyone think of others? I’d say the signing of Grant too, but he might mess it up by extending Grant, so…

He did what needed to be done since they moved Billups and bottom out rebuild. I don't even care how he got us there cause he did. We finally got a top pick and will get another to put alongside him.

Meh he's been mediocre to me. He started the rebuild which is great and I love that. But all he did was tore the team down I feel any gm could do that. It's easy to make a bad team to get a high pick anyone of us could do that.

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[DBC10]

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Get bent over...Nurk? I'd understand if it was Ayton or maybe even Myles Turner but being in play for Nurk is an awkward at best fit for the current trajectory of our team

Plus he always seems to be having minor injury issues

[TPA]

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Get bent over...Nurk? I'd understand if it was Ayton or maybe even Myles Turner but being in play for Nurk is an awkward at best fit for the current trajectory of our team

Plus he always seems to be having minor injury issues

Nurkic too is a UFA after this season. I would be pretty disappointed if he is the golden goose for Grant...

[Piston Pete]

Trade for Nurkic…. Extend him.

Then stretch his contract and cut him loose.

[zeebneeb]

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Get bent over...Nurk? I'd understand if it was Ayton or maybe even Myles Turner but being in play for Nurk is an awkward at best fit for the current trajectory of our team

Plus he always seems to be having minor injury issues

I'm trying to look at the Nurk trade(if it happens)like this;

Weaver is betting on landing a top three pick. I honestly believe he is thinking one of two things, have a big, reliable(yeah I know)center to pair with one of the three PF available at the top of the draft, which would immediately fix the front court on this team. It would go from a defensive hole, terrible rebounding, and scoring, to well,

Nurkic
Banchero

Nurkic
Chet

Nurkic
Smith

That's a hell of a front court immediately. This is the reason he wanted Turner in my opinion.

Or, if he ends up with a gaurd to pair with Cade in the draft, he has;

Nurkic
Stewart

Nurkic
Lyles

I mean it helps explain his obsession with a 7' he was going to nab in Bol, failed, then rumors of Turner, now rumors of Nurkic. He wants a center in a trade, not a PF. I think that's to pair with the draft pick.

[NYPiston]

He did what needed to be done since they moved Billups and bottom out rebuild. I don't even care how he got us there cause he did. We finally got a top pick and will get another to put alongside him.

I can't believe that I'm agreeing with Piston Pete (although I wouldn't call Weaver "crap" quite yet) but what exactly has Weaver done since doing whatever it took (no matter how dumb) to get rid of the players previous regime?

He's shown that he can tank properly and create an awful roster which is what most of us wanted anyway but has he shown any ability to build a roster or manage assets properly? I haven't seen any of that from him really. Even his much ballyhooed drafting prowess seems pretty meh although early days to judge him properly on that.

I'm not saying he's a bad GM, he's just done nothing to inspire confidence that he's the right man for the job. Yes I'm glad that he tore it down and built from scratch but the real work now begins with his first big task being what to do with Grant. He hasn't done much for quite a while but now it's time to start building a winning roster starting with this offseason in particular because I'm telling you, Cade will start to sour on this situation quickly if Weaver decides to tank another season next year. That kid is a winner, winning time needs to start next season.

[Piston Pete]

Bad moves (and I know I’m forgetting some):

Drafting Hayes over Haliburton

Trading for players just to stretch cut them

I get the Wood trade, but why send them a courtesy FRP as well??

If his plan was to tank, why spend big on Grant/Mason?

Trading Mason for a bag of chips, then spending MORE on Olynyk

Not trading Grant will be another bad move.

[flow]

Bad moves (and I know I’m forgetting some):

Drafting Hayes over Haliburton

Trading for players just to stretch cut them

I get the Wood trade, but why send them a courtesy FRP as well??

If his plan was to tank, why spend big on Grant/Mason?

Trading Mason for a bag of chips, then spending MORE on Olynyk

Not trading Grant will be another bad move.

Cutting Cory Joseph only to bring him back on a more expensive contract that includes a $5 mil player option for next season.

[Snakebites]

Honestly, I really hope this chatter is nonsense.

Do we want a win now big or draft picks for Grant? If both are actually being discussed it suggests a lack of direction, and that’s frustrating whether we make a move or not.

Thankfully that Nurkic source seems like nonsense.

Jake Fisher says we probably won’t trade him, but he says contradictory things every day.

[Manocad]

He did what needed to be done since they moved Billups and bottom out rebuild. I don't even care how he got us there cause he did. We finally got a top pick and will get another to put alongside him.

I can't believe that I'm agreeing with Piston Pete (although I wouldn't call Weaver "crap" quite yet) but what exactly has Weaver done since doing whatever it took (no matter how dumb) to get rid of the players previous regime?

He's shown that he can tank properly and create an awful roster which is what most of us wanted anyway but has he shown any ability to build a roster or manage assets properly? I haven't seen any of that from him really. Even his much ballyhooed drafting prowess seems pretty meh although early days to judge him properly on that.

I'm not saying he's a bad GM, he's just done nothing to inspire confidence that he's the right man for the job. Yes I'm glad that he tore it down and built from scratch but the real work now begins with his first big task being what to do with Grant. He hasn't done much for quite a while but now it's time to start building a winning roster starting with this offseason in particular because I'm telling you, Cade will start to sour on this situation quickly if Weaver decides to tank another season next year. That kid is a winner, winning time needs to start next season.

And there's still time for a lot of things to happen. The converse of "anyone could have torn the team down" is that there shouldn't be an expectation that anyone could have done things a lot better than Weaver has done. If Weaver's ability is no better than Joe Internet's ability, ergo Joe Internet's ability isn't any better than Weaver's. Well, other than the obvious Captain Hindsight takes about Weaver not having taken Player X or Player Y in the draft. I get that Weaver SHOULD be held to a high standard but I also don't start breaking his balls about failures that haven't happened yet. As someone else has mentioned, now is the time for Weaver to do the heavy lifting. The fact that things haven't happened as quickly or in the manner some yahoos on a message board want doesn't mean there isn't a plan or that the plan can't be successful. It's nothing more than equating "I don't know what the plan is" to "Weaver doesn't have a successful plan" to "Weaver isn't successful/is a failure."

There are a lot of ways to skin a cat and while I don't necessarily go as far as "the end justifies the means" since you can always point out SOMETHING that could have been done better, no one's perfect. And honestly, if the team reaches championship level in the next 2-3 years, is anyone really going to care how Weaver got them there? Hypothetically, three years from now:

Plan A --> resulted in championship
Plan B --> could have gotten a championship sooner, the team would have been better and for longer, etc. (the internet poster's plan)

Plan A makes a lot stronger argument for how good a GM is than "I had a way that could have gotten a championship faster/better" because it's a known rather than a possibility/unknown.

[theBigLip]

I'm not as down on Weaver as some of the previous posts, but I'd have to grade him as "Incomplete" at the moment. Sure we should have gotten Haliburton over Hayes, and a few other poor moves. But our team is better positioned that it has been in years (decades?). One big positive is that we don't have any **** contracts and we have some real cap space. And we have finally learned how to tank So tearing things down and getting to this place isn't rocket science, but it has eluded us in the past. At least now we are not handcuffed to make moves.

That all being said, we need to start building. We got Cade, Bey and Stewart as a young core (although I see Stewart as a reserve on an elite team). We know we have one more star coming in this year's draft (which could be our last top5 pick during the Cade era). Weaver now has real pressure to take the next steps. The top 5 pick is a no-brainer. But moving Grant is a difference maker in the rebuild. Another good draft pick and/or solid young player needs to be procured in the next 24 hours. If Weaver pulls that off,I'd probably give him a "B" for his tenure here. No trade? Down to a "C" at best. This is his final exam for the year, hopefully he can pull something off.

[Drwho17]

Weaver has really just been crap.

IMO, he’s only made a few good moves. Stewart and Bey picks. The trade for Diallo. Picking up Frank Jackson. That’s about it….can anyone think of others? I’d say the signing of Grant too, but he might mess it up by extending Grant, so…

I give him credit for dumping all the players, in 2 years he's reset the franchise, starting next year they can start moving forward, with no long term committments on their cap, and most of their picks intact. He's done what lesser GM's didn't have the guts to do.

[Piston Pete]

I'm not as down on Weaver as some of the previous posts, but I'd have to grade him as "Incomplete" at the moment. Sure we should have gotten Haliburton over Hayes, and a few other poor moves. But our team is better positioned that it has been in years (decades?). One big positive is that we don't have any **** contracts and we have some real cap space. And we have finally learned how to tank So tearing things down and getting to this place isn't rocket science, but it has eluded us in the past. At least now we are not handcuffed to make moves.

That all being said, we need to start building. We got Cade, Bey and Stewart as a young core (although I see Stewart as a reserve on an elite team). We know we have one more star coming in this year's draft (which could be our last top5 pick during the Cade era). Weaver now has real pressure to take the next steps. The top 5 pick is a no-brainer. But moving Grant is a difference maker in the rebuild. Another good draft pick and/or solid young player needs to be procured in the next 24 hours. If Weaver pulls that off,I'd probably give him a "B" for his tenure here. No trade? Down to a "C" at best. This is his final exam for the year, hopefully he can pull something off.

Nicely put

[Snakebites]

I get the Wood trade, but why send them a courtesy FRP as well??

Why do people keep saying this? This isn't what happened.