Free Agency

[LaSheed]

Seth Curry waived. I wonder if he could be had for a decent price.

I think he's cooked

[Mr Peanut]

D'Angelo Russell has opted into his 18.7M option. Even though he wasn't coming here it takes him out of the running for one of our cap space rivals in terms of competing for other players.

[Snakebites]

D'Angelo Russell has opted into his 18.7M option. Even though he wasn't coming here it takes him out of the running for one of our cap space rivals in terms of competing for other players.

Honestly right now even more desirable teams like Philly and Orlando who have cap space may struggle to get value.

I knew it was a bad summer to have cap space but it’s getting ridiculous at this point.

However low your expectations were it’s probably time to set them lower.

[Mr Peanut]

D'Angelo Russell has opted into his 18.7M option. Even though he wasn't coming here it takes him out of the running for one of our cap space rivals in terms of competing for other players.

Honestly right now even more desirable teams like Philly and Orlando who have cap space may struggle to get value.

I knew it was a bad summer to have cap space but it’s getting ridiculous at this point.

However low your expectations were it’s probably time to set them lower.

Yeah the only half-decent player I can see signing here is Tobias Harris. Naji Marshall maybe given the Langdon connection.

Otherwise it seems like we're just going to be taking on contracts for second rounders and kicking the can down the road once more.

[Snakebites]

D'Angelo Russell has opted into his 18.7M option. Even though he wasn't coming here it takes him out of the running for one of our cap space rivals in terms of competing for other players.

Honestly right now even more desirable teams like Philly and Orlando who have cap space may struggle to get value.

I knew it was a bad summer to have cap space but it’s getting ridiculous at this point.

However low your expectations were it’s probably time to set them lower.

Yeah the only half-decent player I can see signing here is Tobias Harris. Naji Marshall maybe given the Langdon connection.

Otherwise it seems like we're just going to be taking on contracts for second rounders and kicking the can down the road once more.

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

[Mr Peanut]

Honestly right now even more desirable teams like Philly and Orlando who have cap space may struggle to get value.

I knew it was a bad summer to have cap space but it’s getting ridiculous at this point.

However low your expectations were it’s probably time to set them lower.

Yeah the only half-decent player I can see signing here is Tobias Harris. Naji Marshall maybe given the Langdon connection.

Otherwise it seems like we're just going to be taking on contracts for second rounders and kicking the can down the road once more.

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

Our other current salaries (Stewart, Thompson, Ivey, Duren, Sasser, Holland) only make up ~50M for the 2025/26 season, so even if Cade's starting salary is in the 40M per year range we should still have a reasonable amount of space available given the cap will be ~145M.

Also depends on the rest of this offseason and if we either sign any FAs/take on contracts that go beyond the upcoming season.

But I agree, our use of cap space has been generally appalling.

[Pharaoh]

Yeah the only half-decent player I can see signing here is Tobias Harris. Naji Marshall maybe given the Langdon connection.

Otherwise it seems like we're just going to be taking on contracts for second rounders and kicking the can down the road once more.

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

Our other current salaries (Stewart, Thompson, Ivey, Duren, Sasser, Holland) only make up ~50M for the 2025/26 season, so even if Cade's starting salary is in the 40M per year range we should still have a reasonable amount of space available given the cap will be ~145M.

Also depends on the rest of this offseason and if we either sign any FAs/take on contracts that go beyond the upcoming season.

But I agree, our use of cap space has been generally appalling.

Add Fontecchio to that most likely

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[theBigLip]

Yeah the only half-decent player I can see signing here is Tobias Harris. Naji Marshall maybe given the Langdon connection.

Otherwise it seems like we're just going to be taking on contracts for second rounders and kicking the can down the road once more.

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

Our other current salaries (Stewart, Thompson, Ivey, Duren, Sasser, Holland) only make up ~50M for the 2025/26 season, so even if Cade's starting salary is in the 40M per year range we should still have a reasonable amount of space available given the cap will be ~145M.

Also depends on the rest of this offseason and if we either sign any FAs/take on contracts that go beyond the upcoming season.

But I agree, our use of cap space has been generally appalling.

All good reasons to consider trading Cade if we can get a huge package. I have been against it, but it might be the smart thing to do.

[Mr Peanut]

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

Our other current salaries (Stewart, Thompson, Ivey, Duren, Sasser, Holland) only make up ~50M for the 2025/26 season, so even if Cade's starting salary is in the 40M per year range we should still have a reasonable amount of space available given the cap will be ~145M.

Also depends on the rest of this offseason and if we either sign any FAs/take on contracts that go beyond the upcoming season.

But I agree, our use of cap space has been generally appalling.

Add Fontecchio to that most likely

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True. And our 2025 first rounder (we can probably lock in the 5th pick salary now ).

[Pharaoh]

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

Our other current salaries (Stewart, Thompson, Ivey, Duren, Sasser, Holland) only make up ~50M for the 2025/26 season, so even if Cade's starting salary is in the 40M per year range we should still have a reasonable amount of space available given the cap will be ~145M.

Also depends on the rest of this offseason and if we either sign any FAs/take on contracts that go beyond the upcoming season.

But I agree, our use of cap space has been generally appalling.

All good reasons to consider trading Cade if we can get a huge package. I have been against it, but it might be the smart thing to do.

Depends on what we can get in the exchange.

Would we gift wrap him to the Spurs for their collection of picks?

How many teams can even offer a haul of picks for Cade?

Are we confident in our scouting department to build through the Draft now?

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[Canadafan]

My hope is we sign Tyus
Naji and Obi before Tobias but at this point I'd be pretty happy with Tobias and Tyus and one of Obi or Naji.
Also, if a miracle happens and we get Ingram for Ivey and stew, we can take on Mitchell Robinson or Capela to backup Duren

Duren Robinson
Ingram Fontecchio
Ausar Holland
Cade THJr
Tyus Sasser

[Kalamazoo317]

Even with players we trade for, we constantly hear how they don’t want to be here and ask to be moved. We need to find our way to basic enough competency that players don’t try to avoid us at all costs. We need a culture reset something awful.

[MotownMadness]

Even with players we trade for, we constantly hear how they don’t want to be here and ask to be moved. We need to find our way to basic enough competency that players don’t try to avoid us at all costs. We need a culture reset something awful.

Being the worst and ignored franchise by the draft, FA and coaching isn't enough

Some people want to trade Cade for a couple of mid 1st

[MortSahlfan]

Tyus would be a good fit here I think. A younger version of Monte Morris, basically. Except healthier.

[Kalamazoo317]

Even with players we trade for, we constantly hear how they don’t want to be here and ask to be moved. We need to find our way to basic enough competency that players don’t try to avoid us at all costs. We need a culture reset something awful.

Being the worst and ignored franchise by the draft, FA and coaching isn't enough

Some people want to trade Cade for a couple of mid 1st

Good point. I forgot about agents not wanting their players to work out with us. Seriously, wtf is going on with this franchise? Is it our lack of a coach? Do other players hate Cade? Is there something more rotten with the ownership situation than even we realized? Is it just that the city of Detroit has a low national perception, it's a cold weather area, and we can't win for anything?

Lions are finally a team players want to suit up for. Maybe winning cures all? I can't help but thinking that raising our floor to treadmill status would be massively *beneficial* to us.

[MotownMadness]

Even with players we trade for, we constantly hear how they don’t want to be here and ask to be moved. We need to find our way to basic enough competency that players don’t try to avoid us at all costs. We need a culture reset something awful.

Being the worst and ignored franchise by the draft, FA and coaching isn't enough

Some people want to trade Cade for a couple of mid 1st

Good point. I forgot about agents not wanting their players to work out with us. Seriously, wtf is going on with this franchise? Is it our lack of a coach? Do other players hate Cade? Is there something more rotten with the ownership situation than even we realized? Is it just that the city of Detroit has a low national perception, it's a cold weather area, and we can't win for anything?

Lions are finally a team players want to suit up for. Maybe winning cures all? I can't help but thinking that raising our floor to treadmill status would be massively *beneficial* to us.

It was always been a known consequence of intentional tanking

We're now paying the price for being at the bottom for so long with a rotating door of FO, coaching and players along the way

[Snakebites]

Yeah the only half-decent player I can see signing here is Tobias Harris. Naji Marshall maybe given the Langdon connection.

Otherwise it seems like we're just going to be taking on contracts for second rounders and kicking the can down the road once more.

Except once Cade’s extension kicks in next year there will be nowhere to kick it really. This was the last year we could make much use of it.

Weaver maintained lots of cap flexibility throughout his tenure but we’ve never done anything with it. And we are not in a position to make good use of it now.

I really hope I’m proven wrong on that point.

Our other current salaries (Stewart, Thompson, Ivey, Duren, Sasser, Holland) only make up ~50M for the 2025/26 season, so even if Cade's starting salary is in the 40M per year range we should still have a reasonable amount of space available given the cap will be ~145M.

Also depends on the rest of this offseason and if we either sign any FAs/take on contracts that go beyond the upcoming season.

But I agree, our use of cap space has been generally appalling.

Don’t forget Fontecchio and next years lottery pick, plus cap holds for roster spots. It wouldn’t be much in the grand scheme.

[Kalamazoo317]

I hate tanking.

[MotownMadness]

I hate tanking.

I can understand going through changes and bottoming out for a top 7 pick for a few years.

The whole process trying to lose like crazy thing is damaging though

[mattao313]

I hate tanking.

I can understand going through changes and bottoming out for a top 7 pick for a few years.

The whole process trying to lose like crazy thing is damaging though

If we actually got a superstar we'd all be happy right now cause we'd be winning some games. Unfortunately all that tanking and all we got was a low end star and some decent prospects with huge questions marks by there name.

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