What Front-Court Would You Like?

Spider156 · Post #1 » by **Spider156** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 2:08 am

I would like to see who wants a trade or not.

Here's a quote from Cousins about Monroe:

Vincent Goodwill: DMC on Greg: "I don't like being compared to anybody but it's no disrespect being compared to Greg. Very underrated player" #Pistons Twitter @vgoodwill

I'm thinking this means Cousins wouldn't mind playing next to Moose. Together they could be redundant or a dominant 1 2 punch.

vege · Post #2 » by **vege** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 2:14 am

It's always good to be compared to someone better and Monroe is better than Cousins. Very underrated indeed.

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 2:18 am

Any future that doesn't include Drummond shouldn't be considered at this time.

Blkbrd671 · Post #4 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 2:25 am

i would prefer Cousins/Drummond. When you take into account the knuckle head factor, its Moose/Drummond hands down.

Post #5 » by **roc** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 3:13 am

Snakebites wrote:Any future that doesn't include Drummond shouldn't be considered at this time.

and 1

Goldtop · Post #6 » by **Goldtop** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:17 am

Snakebites wrote:Any future that doesn't include Drummond shouldn't be considered at this time.

Or any time

Goldtop · Post #7 » by **Goldtop** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:25 am

As much as I've touted a Monroe for Cousins trade, watching Cousins whine, bitch, and complain all night last game gave me flashbacks of Rasheed. And as much as I loved Rasheed, I grew very tired of all that stuff towards the end. Only because the refs give you nothing when you have players like that on your team. If it didn't affect the officiating, I'd care less, but Cousins consistently got no calls last night, and it felt like the refs were just ignoring him on purpose because of all his antics.

I'm not sure anymore that I want that again, where it feels like your playing 5 on 8 because you got a player all the refs hate on your team. Who knows maybe all this trade talk is what Monroe needed to push himself to go all out every play on defense. He had no pressure to lose his starting job, but pressure to lose his spot on the team is even more motivating. Looking forward to seeing what Moose does from here on out.

OneBadMutha · Post #8 » by **OneBadMutha** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 4:39 am

Neither. I'd rather have Drummond/Aldridge.

But if you were going to play a center out of position at the 4, Cousins makes more sense. Neither Cousins nor Monroe would be plus defenders at the 4 however Cousins has more length, is a little more athletic, and could take advantage of having a shot blocker behind him better than Monroe for that reason. On the flip side, at least the mis-match at the 4 gets exposed on the other end. Monroe won't over-power 4's but Cousins would. Would be a very intriguing combination.

If you are going to go bigger and slower at the 4, you need to brutalize the team at the other end. Can't see any team having a front court that could keep a Drummond/Cousins combo from mashing them inside two years from now. It would be the counter punch against a team like Miami. Yeah Detroit would have to guard Lebron with 5 guys however I'd dare to see Lebron and Bosh try to man up on that front line in 2 years over a long series.

If Detroit is willing to let go of the idea of being an elite team defensively by having a minus defensive player at the 4 despite their best prospect being a defender, then they'd better be the NBAs equivalent of 3 yards and a cloud of dust and completely pulverize teams with their size.

DetroitSho · Post #9 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 1:59 pm

Goldtop wrote:As much as I've touted a Monroe for Cousins trade, watching Cousins whine, bitch, and complain all night last game gave me flashbacks of Rasheed. And as much as I loved Rasheed, I grew very tired of all that stuff towards the end. Only because the refs give you nothing when you have players like that on your team. If it didn't affect the officiating, I'd care less, but Cousins consistently got no calls last night, and it felt like the refs were just ignoring him on purpose because of all his antics.

I'm not sure anymore that I want that again, where it feels like your playing 5 on 8 because you got a player all the refs hate on your team. Who knows maybe all this trade talk is what Monroe needed to push himself to go all out every play on defense. He had no pressure to lose his starting job, but pressure to lose his spot on the team is even more motivating. Looking forward to seeing what Moose does from here on out.

I see comment after comment during games about Moose not getting any calls. So his humility doesn't seem to be working with the refs either. Soooo......

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 2:17 pm

Where can I vote for a frontcourt of Drummond/Andrew Wiggins/Nerleans Noel?

Redeemed · Post #11 » by **Redeemed** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 2:26 pm

Drummond/Monroe is my voted preference. Stay tuned for the nastiness. These kids are going to be a problem, if given an opportunity.

need4detroit · Post #12 » by **need4detroit** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 3:59 pm

Piston Prince wrote:Where can I vote for a frontcourt of Drummond/Andrew Wiggins/Nerleans Noel?

Wheres the offense with the Dre/Noel front-court? I could understand that maybe once Dre develops his offensive skill but not now.

Onioneer · Post #13 » by **Onioneer** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 5:06 pm

If Monroe worked on his jumpshot more this offseason and got to a David Lee level of offense, him and drummond would be a really great combination. Especially if Drummond develops any post offense at all.

Goldtop · Post #14 » by **Goldtop** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 6:07 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
Goldtop wrote:As much as I've touted a Monroe for Cousins trade, watching Cousins whine, bitch, and complain all night last game gave me flashbacks of Rasheed. And as much as I loved Rasheed, I grew very tired of all that stuff towards the end. Only because the refs give you nothing when you have players like that on your team. If it didn't affect the officiating, I'd care less, but Cousins consistently got no calls last night, and it felt like the refs were just ignoring him on purpose because of all his antics.

I'm not sure anymore that I want that again, where it feels like your playing 5 on 8 because you got a player all the refs hate on your team. Who knows maybe all this trade talk is what Monroe needed to push himself to go all out every play on defense. He had no pressure to lose his starting job, but pressure to lose his spot on the team is even more motivating. Looking forward to seeing what Moose does from here on out.

I see comment after comment during games about Moose not getting any calls. So his humility doesn't seem to be working with the refs either. Soooo......

You must just read comments and not actually watch Moose then. Because he complains to the refs after every call. BUT he doesn't have a bad reputation like a Cousins/Sheed do, where the refs seem to automatically give the opposition the benefit of the doubt on calls. Moose doesn't get calls because he's kind of a soft player. Thats not a criticism, thats just how he plays and it wrks for him, but its not a style thats going to get a lot of calls. Even when he goes to the basket, its more of a finesse move trying to avoid contact, rather than forcing contact like Cousins does, which is what normally gets calls. But Cousins should get a lot more calls than he does, and I suspect he doesnt because of his rep.

joseph mamah · Post #15 » by **joseph mamah** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 6:15 pm

Dre and Moose for now, but if a better option presented itself(Aldridge or whoever) I wouldnt hesitate to move Moose at this point. nothing against Moose really and I think Dre and Moose are a pretty good fit, but Monroes lack of defense is definitely a concern and I know most of us think he will, but theres no guarantee that he'll ever develop a respectable jumpshot. if the right guy were available I think we'd have to make the move. but Cuz isnt that guy.

DetroitSho · Post #16 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu Jan 3, 2013 10:24 pm

Goldtop wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
Goldtop wrote:As much as I've touted a Monroe for Cousins trade, watching Cousins whine, bitch, and complain all night last game gave me flashbacks of Rasheed. And as much as I loved Rasheed, I grew very tired of all that stuff towards the end. Only because the refs give you nothing when you have players like that on your team. If it didn't affect the officiating, I'd care less, but Cousins consistently got no calls last night, and it felt like the refs were just ignoring him on purpose because of all his antics.

I'm not sure anymore that I want that again, where it feels like your playing 5 on 8 because you got a player all the refs hate on your team. Who knows maybe all this trade talk is what Monroe needed to push himself to go all out every play on defense. He had no pressure to lose his starting job, but pressure to lose his spot on the team is even more motivating. Looking forward to seeing what Moose does from here on out.

I see comment after comment during games about Moose not getting any calls. So his humility doesn't seem to be working with the refs either. Soooo......

You must just read comments and not actually watch Moose then. Because he complains to the refs after every call. BUT he doesn't have a bad reputation like a Cousins/Sheed do, where the refs seem to automatically give the opposition the benefit of the doubt on calls. Moose doesn't get calls because he's kind of a soft player. Thats not a criticism, thats just how he plays and it wrks for him, but its not a style thats going to get a lot of calls. Even when he goes to the basket, its more of a finesse move trying to avoid contact, rather than forcing contact like Cousins does, which is what normally gets calls. But Cousins should get a lot more calls than he does, and I suspect he doesnt because of his rep.

I clearly wasn't trying to "And 1" this post because its filled with baloney. You don't like Cousins complaining and feels he gets the shaft by refs, so you would prefer Moose. But admits Moose doesn't get the calls and he complains too. WTF? By the way, I prefer Moose. But geez you contradict yourself.

MrBigShot · Post #17 » by **MrBigShot** » Fri Jan 4, 2013 1:42 am

Snakebites wrote:Any future that doesn't include Drummond shouldn't be considered at this time.

mercury · Post #18 » by **mercury** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:20 am

For those into advanced stats... rating our player combinations
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DET2.HTM

LewisnotMiller · Post #19 » by **LewisnotMiller** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:35 am

You guys have a good young big man pairing which has the potential to be even better than that. I wouldn't be looking anywhere else.

Post #20 » by **Cowology** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:24 pm

I'm a little disappointed in Moose this season, but I still have a lot of confidence in him and think Monroe/Drummond will be just fine.

Cousins/Drummond looks scary on paper because Cousins has the talent & drive to dominate in a way that Moose rarely does. But I can't get away from all the head and off the court issues. I'm still a pass on Cousins.

If I were going after a young, offensive compliment to Drummond I'm still looking at KLove and thinking anything it takes outside of Drummond to make it happen, I am probably OK with. Love/Drummond would be beastly up front. /pipedream