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Im not too familiar with contracts and all that, but was there any possible way we could have been able to keep him when he left us in 09'. Dudes been killing. A drummond, monroe, johnson would be a sick front court.

He got paid $8 mil/yr eventually. He's not worth that much, so I doubt we would've been able to keep him anyways, as I don't think Joe would've spend that much on him

In before someone mentions a Monroe for Johnson trade.

Drummond is the bigger, less-foul-prone version of Amir Johnson (more or less).

Amir would be worth the money and then some if he could stay on the court.

Amir basically is Maxiel 2.0 . Maxiel unless its contract year is worth about 4-5 mil.

Blkbrd671 wrote:Amir basically is Maxiel 2.0 . Maxiel unless its contract year is worth about 4-5 mil.

Exactly what I was about to post. Except, Maxi has better defense and Amir better offense. I am not a big fan of Amir anyways. Very inconsistent.

He has been a double double machine the past 3 weeks. Great for my fantasy team but kind of sad when you think about loseing him, Rip, Billups and AA for 2 2nd rd picks.

Warspite wrote:He has been a double double machine the past 3 weeks. Great for my fantasy team but kind of sad when you think about loseing him, Rip, Billups and AA for 2 2nd rd picks.

Joe D needs to go. Bad trades and an even worse talent evaluator. It's time for a change. 2004 is almost 10 years away now.

DetroitDon15 wrote:

Warspite wrote:He has been a double double machine the past 3 weeks. Great for my fantasy team but kind of sad when you think about loseing him, Rip, Billups and AA for 2 2nd rd picks.

Joe D needs to go. Bad trades and an even worse talent evaluator. It's time for a change. 2004 is almost 10 years away now.

it feels like he passes up obvious smart options in an attempt to make a quirky genius finding or pick-ups...like i wouldnt b suprised if he opted for bargnani over ty lawson, or hasheem thabeet over rudy gay or even darko over melo....

Warspite wrote:He has been a double double machine the past 3 weeks. Great for my fantasy team but kind of sad when you think about loseing him, Rip, Billups and AA for 2 2nd rd picks.

That directly led to use sucking these least 5 years or so... that and losing Big Ben for nothing

It's really weird when you think about it: Joe took over a crappy team and built it from the ground up... then that team was destroyed by it's creator

How does that happen? Did Joe get old? Lazy? Bored?

Something changed... and it's more than Mr D not wanting to pay the luxury tax way back when we had Corliss.

You expect it to go downhill after a title - can't win every season - but it seems we lost every transaction since then... and wasted so many draft picks...

Pharaoh wrote:

Warspite wrote:He has been a double double machine the past 3 weeks. Great for my fantasy team but kind of sad when you think about loseing him, Rip, Billups and AA for 2 2nd rd picks.

That directly led to use sucking these least 5 years or so... that and losing Big Ben for nothing

It's really weird when you think about it: Joe took over a crappy team and built it from the ground up... then that team was destroyed by it's creator

How does that happen? Did Joe get old? Lazy? Bored?

Something changed... and it's more than Mr D not wanting to pay the luxury tax way back when we had Corliss.

You expect it to go downhill after a title - can't win every season - but it seems we lost every transaction since then... and wasted so many draft picks...

Joe D, never truly made a good draft pick. I mean Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White are just a few. The Darko pick is obivious. He gave up way too early on guys like Affallo. I don't give him credit for the Ben Wallace trade because Orlando had to include him to get Hill in the deal. Joe D wouldn't have out ride traded for him. The only semi trade i give credit for is the Sheed deal but he gave up the pick that became Josh Smith. It's time for a change I think as well.

Joe D is a legend who brought championships here. It would be hard to force him out. I agree change is needed, but I doubt it could be forced.

Id rather have Drummond/Monroe/Knight than Billups/Amir/Afflalo; its true that we have been bad but its all cyclical. We now have a potential superstar, which is something that we never wouldve had if we hadn't made consescuitve trips to the lottery. The road has been bumpy but we are headed for greener pastures