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i love what im seeing out of the backcourt pairing of knight and calderon, and calderon is such a cool head and pure point. but i still feel like knight should be the PG of the future.
im really undecided on this, but im leaning towards yes because we have such a lack of experience and he has been so impressive in the first few games..

I just happened to type a long post about this a minute ago in the other thread before seeing your thread. Instead of copy/pasting it, I'll just say yes. He's too good to just let walk for nothing. And we don't have to give up on Knight longterm, just in the short term. We'll have to promise Jose the starting spot to get him to resign. He's not going to choose here over a contender just to be a backup PG on an 8th seed. So resign him as the starter for 4-5 yrs, and if at anytime over that period Knight "gets it" you can work Knight back into the starting PG spot then. Jose could even switch to SG at that time like Kidd and Chauncey have done, and not even have to be a backup. But yeah, we need to resign him, and at least need to promise him the starting PG spot for next year to coax him back. We can sort out the rest later

Yes.

A true pg + a dominant wing Otto Porter + a double double Moose and a superstar Brahma Bull will contend for a championship soon

UNEQUIVICALLY, YES!!! He is a fantastic fit and can really run the offense well.

No. Not unless he's cheap and accepts a bench role behind Knight (both doubtful).

Its time we commit to the rebuild and commit to the youth.

Piston Pete wrote:No. Not unless he's cheap and accepts a bench role behind Knight (both doubtful).

Its time we commit to the rebuild and commit to the youth.

Agreed, i still don't think Knight is the pgotf, but Calderon is only hurting his development.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

You guys have no idea how much I'd be willing to pay to keep him in Detroit.

You simply can't put a price on how well he runs an offense and what that can actually do for the rest of our roster

In the modern NBA you need guys like him that can deliver the ball exactly where it needs to go at exactly the right time... every nano-second counts when you've got athletes all over the floor.

I am 100% committed to the rebuild... but at some point in time you need to start winning games in order to further develop your youth. Enough losing... time to grab some quality key veterans and make a playoff charge

IF we don't commit to winning then what's the point? We've built through the Draft.. we've got Monroe, Knight, Drummond and Singler on board. 2 of them are dominant bigs... the other 2 at worst can be role players on a good team...

Time to become that good team

Pharaoh wrote:Yes! Yes! Yes!

You guys have no idea how much I'd be willing to pay to keep him in Detroit.

You simply can't put a price on how well he runs an offense and what that can actually do for the rest of our roster

In the modern NBA you need guys like him that can deliver the ball exactly where it needs to go at exactly the right time... every nano-second counts when you've got athletes all over the floor.

I am 100% committed to the rebuild... but at some point in time you need to start winning games in order to further develop your youth. Enough losing... time to grab some quality key veterans and make a playoff charge

IF we don't commit to winning then what's the point? We've built through the Draft.. we've got Monroe, Knight, Drummond and Singler on board. 2 of them are dominant bigs... the other 2 at worst can be role players on a good team...

Time to become that good team

Did you read what you just wrote? If Calderon was so good for a young team, why has Toronto been so bad in his 8 or so seasons while he was there?

I want to win....and IMO, our window for winning is still 2-3 years down the road -- after Monroe, Drummond, and Knight all develop further, as well as the 2013 lottery pick. Calderon should not be a part of our long-term future unbless he agees to a 4 year/$16 million deal to be our long-term backup and mentor to Knight.

Since when should Calderon be held accountable for the mess that Toronto GMs put on the floor?

Every season it seems they brought in some other PG to take his spot... and every time he still won the starting job!

Maybe they should have used their time and money to bring in players that complimented Calderon, guys who he could make better, guys who were not there to take his spot but there to help the team win!

You can't blame Calderon for Toronto not winning! That's on their front office

As for him not being here when we contend... he's in his early 30's.. I think I'm being realistic when I say he could play at a reasonable level for another 4-5 years

Pharaoh wrote:As for him not being here when we contend... he's in his early 30's.. I think I'm being realistic when I say he could play at a reasonable level for another 4-5 years

Which would be acceptable IF Knight was not here.

If our plan is to trade Knight for a wing, then fine. I could live with that.

But if our plan is to keep both, it won't work. It will be similar to the Rip/BG fiasco all over again.

Pharaoh wrote:Since when should Calderon be held accountable for the mess that Toronto GMs put on the floor?

Every season it seems they brought in some other PG to take his spot... and every time he still won the starting job!

Maybe they should have used their time and money to bring in players that complimented Calderon, guys who he could make better, guys who were not there to take his spot but there to help the team win!

You can't blame Calderon for Toronto not winning! That's on their front office

As for him not being here when we contend... he's in his early 30's.. I think I'm being realistic when I say he could play at a reasonable level for another 4-5 years

I would much rather go after Jarrett Jack... Or even Dj Augustin. Both are second options for fringe-contenders and probably want a chance to start... Jack has 8 double doubles this year, and Augustin went 12-6-2.5A/TO starting in Charlotte when he was 23. In my opinion these are better options/

He can have Andre Miller's role. In a league where the average PG would have been a All Star SG 15 years ago, we need our starter to be able to defend the position. I wouldn't sign him to be a long term starter. He'd be the perfect backup.

Yes, if the price is right and he subscribes to the team concept. Clearly the Pistons have a need for PG services. A team needs more than one, and Calderon is skilled. We all need to keep an open mind though, as this cap space needs to make the team more effective. It seems reasonable to expect the roster to continue to change in a number of possible areas. A versatile and physical wing scorer, either a 2 or a 3, sure would look nice on the roster. It was hoped that Stuckey would fill that role, but we've all been hoping that for a long time.

Yes. We have a point guard who can finally run an offense. I don't want to give that up. These years of Stuckey and Knight have destroyed me.

Sure, if he's willing to accept a bench role...I'll offer Calderon a 2yr/10mil contract...

Piston Pete wrote:No. Not unless he's cheap and accepts a bench role behind Knight (both doubtful).

Its time we commit to the rebuild and commit to the youth.

The problem is that Knight isn't a true point guard. He's not getting it. We shoulda took Kemba Walker.

Timmaytime wrote:Agreed, i still don't think Knight is the pgotf, but Calderon is only hurting his development.

I would love to hear an explanation for this after 5 games.

Piston Pete wrote:
Which would be acceptable IF Knight was not here.

If our plan is to trade Knight for a wing, then fine. I could live with that.

But if our plan is to keep both, it won't work. It will be similar to the Rip/BG fiasco all over again.

That is laughable. Rip and BG could only play SG. Knight can handle some minutes at the 2 as well as the PG spot. If we bring back Calderon then Bynum will likely be gone as would Stuckey.

Right now Jose is easily our best guard. Knight was gifted the starting PG position because all of the other options sucked. Let Knight learn from Calderon, develop and earn the starting PG position back. Knight is not ready to lead a team and I'm not sure he ever will be. Letting our best guard, our only proven NBA PG walk, because we are banking on Knight magically getting it one day is a bad idea if you want to make the playoffs anytime soon.

JD43320 wrote:

Timmaytime wrote:Agreed, i still don't think Knight is the pgotf, but Calderon is only hurting his development.

I would love to hear an explanation for this after 5 games.

Piston Pete wrote:
Which would be acceptable IF Knight was not here.

If our plan is to trade Knight for a wing, then fine. I could live with that.

But if our plan is to keep both, it won't work. It will be similar to the Rip/BG fiasco all over again.

That is laughable. Rip and BG could only play SG. Knight can handle some minutes at the 2 as well as the PG spot. If we bring back Calderon then Bynum will likely be gone as would Stuckey.

Right now Jose is easily our best guard. Knight was gifted the starting PG position because all of the other options sucked. Let Knight learn from Calderon, develop and earn the starting PG position back. Knight is not ready to lead a team and I'm not sure he ever will be. Letting our best guard, our only proven NBA PG walk, because we are banking on Knight magically getting it one day is a bad idea if you want to make the playoffs anytime soon.

I agree with you. If Knight doesn't earn it, he doesn't get to be the PG. I think that the Pistons need to keep Calderon because they are in danger of becoming a Sacramento/Charlotte type loser.

JD43320 wrote:That is laughable. Rip and BG could only play SG. Knight can handle some minutes at the 2 as well as the PG spot. If we bring back Calderon then Bynum will likely be gone as would Stuckey.

Right now Jose is easily our best guard. Knight was gifted the starting PG position because all of the other options sucked. Let Knight learn from Calderon, develop and earn the starting PG position back. Knight is not ready to lead a team and I'm not sure he ever will be. Letting our best guard, our only proven NBA PG walk, because we are banking on Knight magically getting it one day is a bad idea if you want to make the playoffs anytime soon.

Knight is not a 2.

Saying he can play there is like saying Stuckey can play SF. Yeah, I guess they can in rare occasions, but we all know the truth, right?

How is Knight supposed to guard;

Harden
Wade
Kobe
Ginobili
Eric Gordon
Martin
Thompson
Joe Johnson
Matthews
DeRozan
Waiters
Rip
Allen
JR Smith
Turner
George
Beal
Iggy
Dudley
Beal
Hayward
Tyreke
Jamal Crawford

Piston Pete wrote:No. Not unless he's cheap and accepts a bench role behind Knight (both doubtful).

Its time we commit to the rebuild and commit to the youth.

Sorry to rant and I'm not calling you out specifically, but its getting ridiculous reading this stuff from Pistons fans, who have clamored for years to get a true PG, and now that we have one, they want to bring him off the bench.

Can someone please explain how resigning Calderon prevents us from continuing to rebuild? And how does commiting to young players mean we ARE rebuilding? You aren't rebuilding just because you have a bunch of young players. You're rebuilding when you're continually getting better at every position and getting closer to beign a contender each year. Knight hasn;t gotten better at his position since he was a Freshman at UK, and we are no closer to being contenders if Knight is starting at PG again next year. In fact, we are further away than we are now with Calderon starting. Thats not rebuilding. Thats cleaning house and starting over.

Calderon is an upgrade over any PG we have, and would be an upgrade over most PGs on most teams. He's an elite talent at a key position that fits perfect. Isn't that the goal of rebuilding- finding elite talent at key positions that also fit? Thats not easy to find without giving up a lot in return. I just don't get this mindset from fans that are willing to discard a player like this so easily. Either you like losing and prefer to play the lotto game every year, or you just have no appreciation for how hard it is to find a PG like Calderon.

We're already bringing one of the best Centers in the league off the bench. Now we should bring one of the best PGs in the league off the bench too? Is Lawrence Frank posting in here in disguise? lol. I don't get it at all, but its good to see that its the minority here based on the poll, and most fans understand and appreciate how important keeping Calderon is. We have a great PG that fits perfect. All Pistons fans should be appreciative. You don't have to love his game, but you can't deny that he's a great PG and that we'd be worse without him starting next year. If that isn't a reason to keep a player, then idk what you are rebuilding for.