Cap space for first rounders or trades?

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:56 pm

I'm almost on the verge of creating my own postseason plan thread, but that can wait. But I think we should come to a reality - Detroit is not a prime destination for big time free agents, and the only way we could land someone is if we overpay, or somehow, we are someone's 4th or 5th choice and they realize no one is going to pay them. So as much as I like the idea of Iggy opting out, and somehow we can sign him and Mayo, I don't see either one happening. Besides, having Dumars with a fat checkbook around free agency time is frightening.

But could we absorb a not-so-good contract and get a decent first rounder (sort of the reverse of the BG trade)? If we are going to build OKC style, that would make sense.

The other option is trading for someone that is already signed for a long contract and using our cap space to get that done.

Of course we can always pick up a few high character vets for short (maybe even 1 year) deals, but I don't think blowing our wad, overpaying for a marginal star is good for us long term.

Just my two cents...

Goldtop · Post #2 » by **Goldtop** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:11 pm

yeah, I think trading for a good player that fits what we want, from a team looking to dump salary, will be better for us than taking on someone we don't want in exchange for more draft picks.

I think we are too young already, and we can only afford to add like 1 more rookie, before risking being the youngest team in the league (which generally results in a lotto season). If we want to win next year we need vets.

I'd go all in for Josh Smith. He might not be as good as some of the other top players who would be making the same money, but he's a significant talent that would drastically make us better, and make us into a legit playoff team. At the least, I could see him doing for us what Boozer did for CHI when they signed him. He can take us to that next level, and because he always produces big numbers he will always have trade value should we need to trade him later.

So, I'd go for Smith in FA, and if we cant get him, maybe look to add some lesser names like Evans or Allen, and then try to use our capspace in trades. But I'm personally not really interested in giving up our chance to get some great vets in exchange for more rookies, esp if we also have to take on bad contracts.

Warspite · Post #3 » by **Warspite** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:31 am

I would be in favor of Smith if Monroe is traded. Sending Monroe to Golden state for Thompson and Barnes would improve the team. Adding Smith to be our 6th man just isnt going to help.

Umbra · Post #4 » by **Umbra** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:54 am

Warspite wrote:I would be in favor of Smith if Monroe is traded. Sending Monroe to Golden state for Thompson and Barnes would improve the team. Adding Smith to be our 6th man just isnt going to help.

I would do that trade, but I can't see Golden State doing it.

Pugz · Post #5 » by **Pugz** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:07 am

no way golden state does that.

DetroitDon15 · Post #6 » by **DetroitDon15** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:15 pm

Warspite wrote:I would be in favor of Smith if Monroe is traded. Sending Monroe to Golden state for Thompson and Barnes would improve the team. Adding Smith to be our 6th man just isnt going to help.

I don't see Golden State having interest in Monroe let alone giving up Thompson and Barnes for him. They have Bogut and Lee plus a maxed out Biedrins still. The fit isn't there. I will second the idea of exploring trades for Monroe if Josh Smith is signed. I don't want to be the team that maxes Monroe.

mercury · Post #7 » by **mercury** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:26 pm

Giving up on GM because we signed another big man is a tough call... Monroe at 32+ minutes at the 4/5 works... can never have enough good bigs.... but you guys are right about Greg's next contract... is this really where we want to spend over 1/4 of the teams salary?

Post #8 » by **dVs33** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:49 pm

Trades are the best way for us. the combination of Detroit sucking and a weak FA class isn't looking good to me.

Look at the Memphis/Cleveland trade. Cleveland got some good cheap depth players for nothing but cap space.
if Joe is patient with the cap space, i think something similar could come up.

i have no desire to trade Moose now though.

DetroitDon15 · Post #9 » by **DetroitDon15** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:58 pm

dVs33 wrote:Trades are the best way for us. the combination of Detroit sucking and a weak FA class isn't looking good to me.

Look at the Memphis/Cleveland trade. Cleveland got some good cheap depth players for nothing but cap space.
if Joe is patient with the cap space, i think something similar could come up.

i have no desire to trade Moose now though.

Sprights probably opts out. Josh Selby has already been released. I think Ellington isn't brought back. They got a pick for one year of taking deals. That was a terrible needed to make deal for Memphis. Joe isn't that good nor will teams do that again.

I pray we don't max IGGY out. We don't need a 12 mill guy averagin 12PPG per game.

isstainton · Post #10 » by **isstainton** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:34 pm

hello all, new to the board. good to finally find a place to talk about my pistons (no matter the state they are in). with that out of the way everything i have been hearing is either picking up Mayo or Smith or both. I really dont want to see that kind of money go to Mayo. JSmith would be cool but i really think that would mean the parting with Moose, not quite ready for that yet. the GS trade would be great but just dont see it happening

BadMofoPimp · Post #11 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:57 pm

isstainton wrote:hello all, new to the board. good to finally find a place to talk about my pistons (no matter the state they are in). with that out of the way everything i have been hearing is either picking up Mayo or Smith or both. I really dont want to see that kind of money go to Mayo. JSmith would be cool but i really think that would mean the parting with Moose, not quite ready for that yet. the GS trade would be great but just dont see it happening

Welcome! This board could always use fresh blood.

As for JSmith, he just reminds me of a taller Ben Gordon with no defense. To me, there has to be a reason why he has never been a starter in this league. And, I see no reason to pay him starters money. He is worth no more than the MLE exception. I do like his offense! Imagine him playing alongside Calderon, woah!

At least Mayo can play some defense. This team desperately needs to establish a hard blue collar defensive identity. I say target those types of players. No more Alley Oops gallore!!!

Post #12 » by **dVs33** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:16 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
isstainton wrote:hello all, new to the board. good to finally find a place to talk about my pistons (no matter the state they are in). with that out of the way everything i have been hearing is either picking up Mayo or Smith or both. I really dont want to see that kind of money go to Mayo. JSmith would be cool but i really think that would mean the parting with Moose, not quite ready for that yet. the GS trade would be great but just dont see it happening

Welcome! This board could always use fresh blood.

As for JSmith, he just reminds me of a taller Ben Gordon with no defense. To me, there has to be a reason why he has never been a starter in this league. And, I see no reason to pay him starters money. He is worth no more than the MLE exception. I do like his offense! Imagine him playing alongside Calderon, woah!

At least Mayo can play some defense. This team desperately needs to establish a hard blue collar defensive identity. I say target those types of players. No more Alley Oops gallore!!!

I think he was talking about Josh Smith and i'm assuming you're talking about JR Smith...

BadMofoPimp · Post #13 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:40 pm

dVs33 wrote:
I think he was talking about Josh Smith and i'm assuming you're talking about JR Smith...

Don't know why I was thinking of JR Smith when most of the discussion on this board was Josh Smith. I may have been having flashbacks from a year ago when JR Smith was a Free Agent and people here wanted him.

dan2314 · Post #14 » by **dan2314** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:34 am

NO. we have enough young talent. time to bring in some established players to help them out.

Post #15 » by **dVs33** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:38 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
dVs33 wrote:
I think he was talking about Josh Smith and i'm assuming you're talking about JR Smith...

Don't know why I was thinking of JR Smith when most of the discussion on this board was Josh Smith. I may have been having flashbacks from a year ago when JR Smith was a Free Agent and people here wanted him.

Watching the pistons of late has effecting my brain too

For what it's worth i'm not keen to max Josh smith. It wouldn't address any of the teams weaknesses.

isstainton · Post #16 » by **isstainton** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:15 pm

yeah was talking about josh smith.... please god do not allow dumars to over pay JR Smith i want no part of that, although for the MLE i guess i would be alright with that, i think he will get more though he had like 42 the other night so someone will over pay him