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Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 12:09 am
by pistonsfan92
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... ekend-dimeEven with so many teams being discussed here, no team in coaching circles is rated as more likely to make a change than the Pistons, whose 4-18 record since the All-Star break and increasingly frequent struggles to keep games competitive have clearly put Lawrence Frank's job in jeopardy despite the one season, followed by a team option, left on his contract.
League coaching sources consistently submit Frank's name as poised for dismissal when the regular seasons ends, with the Pistons said to be increasingly concerned by some of the body language and lukewarm responsiveness from Frank's players that's often evident to scouts sitting courtside.
Few coaches in the game are as prepared and thorough as Frank, but it's not resonating with this group. It would thus be a big surprise, at this stage, if the Pistons aren't soon in the market for a coach -- possibly a former player -- who might be able to vibe better with Greg Monroe, Andre Drummond & Co.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 12:28 am
by ComboGuardCity
I hope, but it better be someone with some sort of pedigree.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 1:13 am
by Goldtop
Former player who could relate to big men?
Laimbeer
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 1:14 am
by princeofpalace
I don't think we can keep firing coaches and expect any quality coach to want to come to Detroit.
Frank is terrible though and I wish Gores didn't interevene to hire him
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 1:19 am
by Goldtop
princeofpalace wrote:I don't think we can keep firing coaches and expect any quality coach to want to come to Detroit.
That means nothing imo. If a coach doesn't succeed, he gets fired. Thats not the Pistons fault
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 1:33 am
by Kilo
Joe Dumars will have to get an extension in order to bring in a new coach that is worth anything.
My fear is Lindsay Hunter doesn't get the full time gig in PHX and Dumars brings him in here to be the head coach.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 1:33 am
by Kilo
Goldtop wrote:princeofpalace wrote:I don't think we can keep firing coaches and expect any quality coach to want to come to Detroit.
That means nothing imo. If a coach doesn't succeed, he gets fired. Thats not the Pistons fault
It is when the roster he is given is ****.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:14 am
by Blkbrd671
hollins
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:34 am
by qm22
I wonder what is the basis for Frank being "one of the most prepared and thorough". I also hear he is one of the most "hard working" (mostly from Pistons aligned sources in the past). I'm quite curious what these actually mean. There have been so many gaping holes that are often due to self-inflicted mistakes, so it is hard to see how the results are congruent with a group who have been thoroughly prepared. This team is usually not prepared to in bound the ball against pressure, which even a real D-league team has the talent to execute.
Overall I'm not sure what positives one can say at Frank. One can at best say he has done the best he can with a bad roster, but the results show a worse record than Kuester despite roster improvement, and a lack of evidence for coaching our individual prospects to personal improvement. His only period of success coincided with 3 all stars and Jason Kidd running plays and he probably did not need a normal amount of coaching input.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:36 am
by ComboGuardCity
qm22 wrote:I wonder what is the basis for Frank being "one of the most prepared and thorough". I also hear he is one of the most "hard working" (mostly from Pistons aligned sources in the past). I'm quite curious what these actually mean. There have been so many gaping holes that are often due to self-inflicted mistakes, so it is hard to see how the results are congruent with a group who have been thoroughly prepared. This team is usually not prepared to in bound the ball against pressure, which even a real D-league team has the talent to execute.
Overall I'm not sure what positives one can say at Frank. One can at best say he has done the best he can with a bad roster, but the results show a worse record than Kuester despite roster improvement, and a lack of evidence for coaching our individual prospects to personal improvement. His only period of success coincided with 3 all stars and Jason Kidd running plays and he probably did not need a normal amount of coaching input.
THey also said he was a "defensive mind" running the Celtics defense when in reality Thibs implemented that system with one of the greatest anchors of all time.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:39 am
by Goldtop
It makes you wonder what Frank is doing during all this preparation time. Because his team never seems prepared to start games, or seasons (0-16, 4-20, 0-8). And he never makes the riht halftime adjustments. If he was spending so much time watching film, why cant he ever figure out anything and make adjustments?
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:42 am
by Maker_84
frank will be here next season. stop getting your hopes up people
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:44 am
by qm22
Goldtop wrote:It makes you wonder what Frank is doing during all this preparation time. Because his team never seems prepared to start games, or seasons (0-16, 4-20, 0-8). And he never makes the riht halftime adjustments. If he was spending so much time watching film, why cant he ever figure out anything and make adjustments?
When you take this and add it to the numerous reports of his endless hard work and "great" attitude I picture someone spending weeks in the library and failing exams.
-_- I sort of hate it when people say things like "the hardest worker" about total failures. It feels disrespectful to those that actually achieve something.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 2:45 am
by qm22
ComboGuardCity wrote:qm22 wrote:I wonder what is the basis for Frank being "one of the most prepared and thorough". I also hear he is one of the most "hard working" (mostly from Pistons aligned sources in the past). I'm quite curious what these actually mean. There have been so many gaping holes that are often due to self-inflicted mistakes, so it is hard to see how the results are congruent with a group who have been thoroughly prepared. This team is usually not prepared to in bound the ball against pressure, which even a real D-league team has the talent to execute.
Overall I'm not sure what positives one can say at Frank. One can at best say he has done the best he can with a bad roster, but the results show a worse record than Kuester despite roster improvement, and a lack of evidence for coaching our individual prospects to personal improvement. His only period of success coincided with 3 all stars and Jason Kidd running plays and he probably did not need a normal amount of coaching input.
THey also said he was a "defensive mind" running the Celtics defense when in reality Thibs implemented that system with one of the greatest anchors of all time.
Yeah, he was credited for success in Bostons' defense... despite that they were a great defensive team before and after he left.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 3:17 am
by Sunsdeuce
You can have Lindsey hunter back. I'll even buy him a plane ticket back to Detroit! The guy is a douchebag.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 3:54 am
by Jodi
Nate McMillan!!!
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 3:57 am
by srt4b
Frank will be out of the league in a few weeks.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 5:44 am
by Goldtop
Kilo wrote:Goldtop wrote:princeofpalace wrote:I don't think we can keep firing coaches and expect any quality coach to want to come to Detroit.
That means nothing imo. If a coach doesn't succeed, he gets fired. Thats not the Pistons fault
It is when the roster he is given is ****.
Its hard to blame the Pistons for a poor roster when the coach himself chooses to only play his best player 20 mpg.
The roster isn't great, but its a myth that we have no talent. Drummond played like a top 5 Center statistically for the first half of the year. Monroe is a 16/10/3 big man. When you have 2 bigs producing like that, you have enough talent to at least be .500 in the weak East. The only prerequisite is that you actually play them together big minutes, which Frank chose not to. That's his fault that he chose to play lesser players over his top guys, and only further proof of his poor coaching and decision making. The fact that they only managed to win 25 games two years straight is on Frank, not on the roster, imo.
Can you think of even one game in Frank's career with the Pistons where you said afterwards that he out-coached the other coach, and we won because of Frank?
I honestly can't think of one. And to me that says what do we even need him for if he's not contributing anything?
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 5:48 am
by DetroitPistons
I think both Frank and Dumars will get one more year like Gores promised them. If they don't make the playoffs they will both be gone. It's up to Dumars to draft good and bring in some good role players, and its up to Frank to put together a good rotation for the first time in his life.
Re: Frank may be on his way out once the season's over.
Posted: Sun Apr 7, 2013 5:54 am
by Jodi
^I'm not sure Gores ever verbally said Frank or Dumars has one more year...