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It is well known that Dallas would like to get rid of their #13 pick. I think we could use it. Assuming we get McCollum or KCP at #8, we could use #13 for Saric, Bazz, Crabbe, Larkin, Schroeder?

What do you think it would take to get Dallas to give it to us?

Trade English, Middleton and Kravstov for 3 2nd's.

Then ya trade all our 2nd's for the 13th....

But ya keep a couple or Middleton to get that Stuckey for Afflalo thing done.

That all sounds crazy, but Joe should make the phone call anyways.

Schroeder or Dieng would be worthy choices imo

If Dallas has any chance at Dwight & CP3 they need to dump Marion & Vince Carter.

Something made up of #13, Marion & Carter for English and a couple 2nds might be interesting considering the projected available talent.

Piston Prince wrote:If Dallas has any chance at Dwight & CP3 they need to dump Marion & Vince Carter.

Something made up of #13, Marion & Carter for English and a couple 2nds might be interesting considering the projected available talent.

I like the train of thought.

Trade Dallas our two 2013 second round picks, and their choice of Singler or Middleton for the #13. I don't think they're going to want to retain Marion if they're gunning for a title with Dwight and/or CP3.

Going into the draft, we take Shabazz at #8, then Dennis Schroeder at #13. I'd love this plan. Two high upside picks that can help immediately.

Piston Prince wrote:If Dallas has any chance at Dwight & CP3 they need to dump Marion & Vince Carter.

Something made up of #13, Marion & Carter for English and a couple 2nds might be interesting considering the projected available talent.

That sounds pretty good for both teams. I think we could still sign Iggy or whatever.

Yeah I would be all over using our cap space to get their pick.

So this would basically mean taking back the pick we traded to Charlotte?

Mr. Krabs wrote:So this would basically mean taking back the pick we traded to Charlotte?

Yeah pretty much in teh scheme of things. I'd be ok taking on Marion to get that 13th pick.

Marion cannot be traded since he has a contract option (Early Termination) and Detroit does not have any cap space until the FA is open so a trade at draft night giving Dallas cap relief is not possible at all.

If Marion was tradeable we could do something like Stuckey + Kravtsov for Marion and VC saving them 7-8 mil but even that is not possible so this idea is 100% out of question.

vege wrote:Marion cannot be traded since he has a contract option (Early Termination) and Detroit does not have any cap space until the FA is open so a trade at draft night giving Dallas cap relief is not possible at all.

If Marion was tradeable we could do something like Stuckey + Kravtsov for Marion and VC saving them 7-8 mil but even that is not possible so this idea is 100% out of question.

are Maggette and Maxs contracts still on the books until FA starts? could we trade them?

edit- never mind, I see you already answered that question in the Washington thread.

Meh this thread made me think. We could go creative and do this.

Detroit Out: Slava Kravtsov / Kyle Singler / Kim English / TPE from BG trade / Detroit 2nd
Detroit In: Vince Carter / Jared Cunningham and #13

Dallas Out: Vince Carter / Jared Cunningham and #13
Dallas In: Slava Kravtsov / Kim English / their pick returned and TPE

LAL Out: TPE and Dallas pick returned?
LAL In: Kyle Singler and Detroit 2nd

They waive Slava and English and take a 500k cap hit while they save $1,655,300 (13pick) + $3,180,000 (VC) + $1,208,400 (Cunningham). That's a 4 mil in raw capspace saves considering they need to add 3 capholds.

We can do the deal but not on draft night. They would just have to pick for us and we make the deal in July. Once Marion picks up his option he can be traded. If he doesnt want to be traded then he needs to opt out and resign at a lower price.

It would be great in any other draft, but I don't think the Pistobns are too excited about stockpiling rookies at all, especially in this weak draft.

For one, they won't want that salary commitment when trying to maximize their space for FA/trades. But also, I think part of the goal of the capspace is to get older and be able to fill out the roster with vets in their prime to go around our young core, so we have the experirnce to start winning right now. I don't think adding 2 more rookies to the rotation would be ideal. We'd just be too young, when you consider a normal rotation only has 8-9 players. Singler and Drummond + 2 rookies alone would make up half our rotation with only 1 yr exp combined. Then with Knight and Monroe who are still inexperienced, our rotation just be too young. And yes, if we drafted someone at 13, I think they would be in the rotation next year given our lack of overall talent.

Those mid-late 1st round picks are good for contenders to use to fill out their bench and add some youth. It would be different if there were all-star talent at 13, but in this draft we're likely just looking at a bench player at 13 for depth. I think we need experience more than the youth.

I think we are better off using that money in FA/trades like DAL wants to do.

Goldtop wrote:It would be great in any other draft, but I don't think the Pistobns are too excited about stockpiling rookies at all, especially in this weak draft.

For one, they won't want that salary commitment when trying to maximize their space for FA/trades. But also, I think part of the goal of the capspace is to get older and be able to fill out the roster with vets in their prime to go around our young core, so we have the experirnce to start winning right now. I don't think adding 2 more rookies to the rotation would be ideal. We'd just be too young, when you consider a normal rotation only has 8-9 players. Singler and Drummond + 2 rookies alone would make up half our rotation with only 1 yr exp combined. Then with Knight and Monroe who are still inexperienced, our rotation just be too young. And yes, if we drafted someone at 13, I think they would be in the rotation next year given our lack of overall talent.

Those mid-late 1st round picks are good for contenders to use to fill out their bench and add some youth. It would be different if there were all-star talent at 13, but in this draft we're likely just looking at a bench player at 13 for depth. I think we need experience more than the youth.

I think we are better off using that money in FA/trades like DAL wants to do.

I agree, but it depends on who you can get the pick for and who you draft. For example, if we picked up Marion and the 13th pick for very little, lets' say English and a couple seconds, and then we drafted someone like Gorgui Dieng I'd be very happy. I don't think he's got a lot of potential, but he'd be a very solid backup C. He'd defend well and rebound, and he'd only get paid I think ~1-2mil per year, and we'd have control of him for 4 years. That's a lot better than trying to sign a backup C like Dalembert who'd command (imo) at least 4-5mil per. And we definitely need a backup C.

The reason I like Stuckey for Marion + pick is that Joe won't have the heart to release Stuckey (so we get stuck with the whole 8+ mil)... Dallas will just release him and net the cap.
Of course after July 1

Natopher wrote:

Goldtop wrote:It would be great in any other draft, but I don't think the Pistobns are too excited about stockpiling rookies at all, especially in this weak draft.

For one, they won't want that salary commitment when trying to maximize their space for FA/trades. But also, I think part of the goal of the capspace is to get older and be able to fill out the roster with vets in their prime to go around our young core, so we have the experirnce to start winning right now. I don't think adding 2 more rookies to the rotation would be ideal. We'd just be too young, when you consider a normal rotation only has 8-9 players. Singler and Drummond + 2 rookies alone would make up half our rotation with only 1 yr exp combined. Then with Knight and Monroe who are still inexperienced, our rotation just be too young. And yes, if we drafted someone at 13, I think they would be in the rotation next year given our lack of overall talent.

Those mid-late 1st round picks are good for contenders to use to fill out their bench and add some youth. It would be different if there were all-star talent at 13, but in this draft we're likely just looking at a bench player at 13 for depth. I think we need experience more than the youth.

I think we are better off using that money in FA/trades like DAL wants to do.

I agree, but it depends on who you can get the pick for and who you draft. For example, if we picked up Marion and the 13th pick for very little, lets' say English and a couple seconds, and then we drafted someone like Gorgui Dieng I'd be very happy. I don't think he's got a lot of potential, but he'd be a very solid backup C. He'd defend well and rebound, and he'd only get paid I think ~1-2mil per year, and we'd have control of him for 4 years. That's a lot better than trying to sign a backup C like Dalembert who'd command (imo) at least 4-5mil per. And we definitely need a backup C.

I'm a big Dieng fan, and didn't really think of it that way - that DAL is looking to use the pick as a way to dump another contract. I thought they were just looking to sell the pick for the capspace that not having that salary slot would create.

I'd love to add Dieng somehow, but I really don't think we are going to use our capspace to absorb a bad contract of an old player, just to get the 13th pick in this bad draft. Considering we traded potentially the 9th pick in a great draft next year, just to get this capspace.

This depends on what we will do on free agency this year, if Joe plans to go after Iggy/Smith/Mayo he won't break that for a late lottery pick.

Goldtop wrote:

Natopher wrote:

Goldtop wrote:It would be great in any other draft, but I don't think the Pistobns are too excited about stockpiling rookies at all, especially in this weak draft.

For one, they won't want that salary commitment when trying to maximize their space for FA/trades. But also, I think part of the goal of the capspace is to get older and be able to fill out the roster with vets in their prime to go around our young core, so we have the experirnce to start winning right now. I don't think adding 2 more rookies to the rotation would be ideal. We'd just be too young, when you consider a normal rotation only has 8-9 players. Singler and Drummond + 2 rookies alone would make up half our rotation with only 1 yr exp combined. Then with Knight and Monroe who are still inexperienced, our rotation just be too young. And yes, if we drafted someone at 13, I think they would be in the rotation next year given our lack of overall talent.

Those mid-late 1st round picks are good for contenders to use to fill out their bench and add some youth. It would be different if there were all-star talent at 13, but in this draft we're likely just looking at a bench player at 13 for depth. I think we need experience more than the youth.

I think we are better off using that money in FA/trades like DAL wants to do.

I agree, but it depends on who you can get the pick for and who you draft. For example, if we picked up Marion and the 13th pick for very little, lets' say English and a couple seconds, and then we drafted someone like Gorgui Dieng I'd be very happy. I don't think he's got a lot of potential, but he'd be a very solid backup C. He'd defend well and rebound, and he'd only get paid I think ~1-2mil per year, and we'd have control of him for 4 years. That's a lot better than trying to sign a backup C like Dalembert who'd command (imo) at least 4-5mil per. And we definitely need a backup C.

I'm a big Dieng fan, and didn't really think of it that way - that DAL is looking to use the pick as a way to dump another contract. I thought they were just looking to sell the pick for the capspace that not having that salary slot would create.

I'd love to add Dieng somehow, but I really don't think we are going to use our capspace to absorb a bad contract of an old player, just to get the 13th pick in this bad draft. Considering we traded potentially the 9th pick in a great draft next year, just to get this capspace.

In all honesty I thought they just wanted to trade the pick, not any players as well. But everyone keeps saying that they need to dump one of Marion/Carter/Morrow so I bought into it. If they're not looking to dump Marion then I say you definitely do it. Even if they wanna dump Morrow or Carter I still think you do it. If we did the trade and bought out Morrow, he'd only count 2mil against our salary for this one year, if we bought out Carter it'd only be 1.5mil against the cap for 2 years. I think that's definitely worth it if we can get a backup C for 4 years at 1-2mil per.

Cuban is wild...Even people from Dallas realize that Howard isn't signing with the Mavericks...There roster just isnt competitive enough to convince Howard to choose Dallas over LA or Houston...I think the Mavs should trade there 13th pick to Phx for Gortat and maybe Shannon Brown...

I guess Dallas traded last year's pick, so they can't actually the pick, but on draft night, they will have a trade arranged and draft a player at the direction of the other team (Detroit?) and then consumate the deal. So we will not hear any details until draft night.