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I'd love to see the Pistons go all-in this offseason and fire Dumars, hire Phil Jax as President of Operations, hire Shaw, figure out a way to trade up for Oladipo, and sign Iguodala with their cap space.

I know it's ridiculous for me to compare Oladipo to a young MJ, or even Iguodala to Scottie Pippen....but if the system is in place, the system will develop and maximize their talents.

Knight
Oladipo
Iguodala
Monroe
Drummond

I've noticed the people who are considering trading up, want to do so for Trey Burke...why not Oladipo?

Your plan is like your user name, as holy as swiss cheese.

Go "all in" on a bottom 4 playoff team at best? Ridiculous.

We still need elite shooting. That lineup would be great D, but can we score?

I might change the plan a bit:
- Trading up? I like the idea, but do we really have any assets besides future draft picks? And if we are going to trade up, I think McLemore should be our target and then we get a shooter. I love Oladipo, and he'd be great if we had a high scoring SF, but we don't.
- Signing Iggy? There are worse things we can do with our $$$. Are we talking 5 years at 15mil? That is a serious commitment, and if it doesn't work. we're a bit f--ked. But still a better FA signing than CV and BG.
- So then we're giving Knight another year to become a PG. I'm okay with that - I don't think he is starting SG material, but if we can get him to play PG, then we've got our starting 5.

"All-In" is more about determining an identity and sticking to it.

Hiring a young coach, like a Shaw, to grow with these guys is key to any new hire for this franchise. But coupled with the fact that he has played and mentored in the Triangle, by the same guy who will oversee the player personnel decisions for this franchise? It's a no-brainer.

Yes, maybe they'll be a bottom 4 playoff team for the next few years. But these guys aren't hitting their primes for a few years either.

Develop your core while creating a winning culture. That starts with implementing a system that focuses on defense and ball movement and continuity.

Who better to plug the holes with players that fit the system then the Zen Master himself?

If you concede that the young core won't hit it's prime for a number of years, why commit 60+ million in salary to someone like Igoudala who's a "win now" signing? Why not retain cap flexibility in the event that can't-miss player suddenly becomes available for trade, or keep your options open for a salary dump that would add assets?

ImHeisenberg wrote:If you concede that the young core won't hit it's prime for a number of years, why commit 60+ million in salary to someone like Igoudala who's a "win now" signing? Why not retain cap flexibility in the event that can't-miss player suddenly becomes available for trade, or keep your options open for a salary dump that would add assets?

Iggy would pay back his weight in gold.

Yes, it's more of a "win-now" move. He helps in changing the culture in Detroit. He would ease the development of Brandon Knight as a Triangle PG, taking much of the playmaking responsibility. A young vet that would be looked up to in the clubhouse.

I jus think if you can sell PJax on a Donnie Walsh / Jerry West position as "President of Operations", and let him hand select personnel fit to run his triangle...then hiring Shaw and going for it all makes too much sense.

In the right situation, I see Oladipo being far and away the best player in this draft. He's got STAR written all over him.

I'm just not sold on Igoudala. Whomever signs him to a 4/5 year deal, they're going to know they're really overpaying for the last couple seasons, when his athleticism is waning and he still can't shoot consistently.

He was arguably the best player on Denver last season, and they were easily toppled by the upstart Warriors. That Denver team had gobs of talent too. Half of their bench would start in Detroit.

I might be interested in Iggy if his deal was front loaded.

ImHeisenberg wrote:I'm just not sold on Igoudala. Whomever signs him to a 4/5 year deal, they're going to know they're really overpaying for the last couple seasons, when his athleticism is waning and he still can't shoot consistently.

He was arguably the best player on Denver last season, and they were easily toppled by the upstart Warriors. That Denver team had gobs of talent too. Half of their bench would start in Detroit.

i feel the same way.
Iggy is an immediate upgrade, but he'll cost far too much for what we need.
Right now drummond and monroe are the only "sure thing" building blocks we have and we should get young guys who compliment them and hope they find a ft with the team.
signing iggy to big money helps us become closer to mediocre, but doesnt really help once we hopefully become good

swisscheeseD wrote:I'd love to see the Pistons go all-in this offseason and fire Dumars, hire Phil Jax as President of Operations, hire Shaw, figure out a way to trade up for Oladipo, and sign Iguodala with their cap space.

I know it's ridiculous for me to compare Oladipo to a young MJ, or even Iguodala to Scottie Pippen....but if the system is in place, the system will develop and maximize their talents.

Knight
Oladipo
Iguodala
Monroe
Drummond

I've noticed the people who are considering trading up, want to do so for Trey Burke...why not Oladipo?

You have to trade Monroe to get Dipo. Drummond doesnt fit in the triangle. Might as well trade him away too. Hireing a basketball novice like Jackson most likely would get those guys traded away for peanuts anyway.

Why hire Jackson? Is Wes Unseld or Elgin Baylor unavailable?

Why bring in Shaw? Is ML Carr not available?

Warspite wrote:
You have to trade Monroe to get Dipo. Drummond doesnt fit in the triangle. Might as well trade him away too. Hireing a basketball novice like Jackson most likely would get those guys traded away for peanuts anyway.

Why hire Jackson? Is Wes Unseld or Elgin Baylor unavailable?

Why bring in Shaw? Is ML Carr not available?

Well said!

dVs33 wrote:i feel the same way.
Iggy is an immediate upgrade, but he'll cost far too much for what we need.
Right now drummond and monroe are the only "sure thing" building blocks we have and we should get young guys who compliment them and hope they find a ft with the team.
signing iggy to big money helps us become closer to mediocre, but doesnt really help once we hopefully become good

Good points. While I'm not an advocate of signing him, if I had to choose between Iggy and Tyreke Evans, I would prefer to overpay the younger guy who still has upside, opposed to Igoudala, who peaked three years ago.