Pistons is between Caldwell-Pope and Muhammad

pistontr · Post #1 » by **pistontr** » Sat May 25, 2013 1:44 pm

What do you think. I would prefer Pope. He is better defender and he fit better sg position because of his athletic ability
http://www.freep.com/article/20130524/S ... 1/sports03

rmfc · Post #2 » by **rmfc** » Sat May 25, 2013 1:52 pm

Shabazz

ImHeisenberg · Post #3 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sat May 25, 2013 2:08 pm

Depends on what you think about the two, really.

I see KCP as a 3&D player. Those are highly valuable players in the NBA.

Shabazz's (Shabazz'?), has a much higher ceiling. He could potentially be an all-star, or he could end up believing he's better than he is and become a problem for whichever team has him. Bigger upside, bigger risk.

I'd go for broke and take Shabazz. If he doesn't work out, well, most of the players in this draft probably won't work out.

need4detroit · Post #4 » by **need4detroit** » Sat May 25, 2013 2:26 pm

I don't understant why Pope's ceiling is 3 and D. He shoots very well off the dribble (1.12 PPP); He almost looks like Ben Gordon when he shoots of the dribble. Great balance and ability to get a shot off at basically anytime.
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princeofpalace · Post #5 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat May 25, 2013 2:31 pm

I dont know which blog is worse, Pistonpowered or Detroitbadboys. Neither of them provide anymore insight than you can find here at REALGM.

And, Need- I have been singing KCP's praises for months now and I agree with you, he's much more than a 3&D guy, but considering the source, I can see why KCP's being undervalued.

rmfc · Post #6 » by **rmfc** » Sat May 25, 2013 2:52 pm

princeofpalace wrote:I dont know which blog is worse, Pistonpowered or Detroitbadboys. Neither of them provide anymore insight than you can find here at REALGM.

And, Need- I have been singing KCP's praises for months now and I agree with you, he's much more than a 3&D guy, but considering the source, I can see why KCP's being undervalued.

Not sure about Detroitbadboys but Pistonpowered is pretty bad. Almost every single article/column on there seems to be driven by some kind of an agenda (against or for some player). I stopped visiting that website after a while.

mercury · Post #7 » by **mercury** » Sat May 25, 2013 2:56 pm

Put me down for KCP... we can't afford lazy defenders

Piston Pete · Post #8 » by **Piston Pete** » Sat May 25, 2013 3:11 pm

I personally have Shabazz, KCP, and Crabbe all in the same group.

Crabbe has Shabazz's length, but is the best shooter of the group and also plays good D.

MrBigShot · Post #9 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat May 25, 2013 3:18 pm

Crabbe seems more like a 3 and D guy tbh. I think KCP has a bit of Rip in him, but he is a capable shooter off the dribble. He's not a great ball handler but that can be improved, and we desperately need some shooting and perimeter scoring.

He didn't test too well at the combine, but honestly I think he's a better athlete than he showed. He's not just another Terrence Ross, because:

1. Ross is not a good defender
2. Or a good rebounder
3. Or a great shooter off the dribble
4. Or a consistent shooter in general

And KCP has a higher bball IQ. He doesn't seem to get lost. Presently, though it may change after workouts...these are my favorite guys at 8:

KCP
Shabazz
MCW
Bennett
Zeller
McCollum

need4detroit · Post #10 » by **need4detroit** » Sat May 25, 2013 3:24 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Crabbe seems more like a 3 and D guy tbh. I think KCP has a bit of Rip in him, but he is a capable shooter off the dribble. He's not a great ball handler but that can be improved, and we desperately need some shooting and perimeter scoring.

He didn't test too well at the combine, but honestly I think he's a better athlete than he showed. He's not just another Terrence Ross, because:

1. Ross is not a good defender
2. Or a good rebounder
3. Or a great shooter off the dribble
4. Or a consistent shooter in general

And KCP has a higher bball IQ. He doesn't seem to get lost. Presently, though it may change after workouts...these are my favorite guys at 8:

KCP
Shabazz
MCW
Bennett
Zeller
McCollum

KCP reminds me of Rip in the open court. There both extremely fast end to end if you watch them.

princeofpalace · Post #11 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat May 25, 2013 3:51 pm

Caldwell-Pope doesnt remind me of Rip at all. I see more of a Jason Richardson type

Brapman · Post #12 » by **Brapman** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:06 pm

I continue having a hard time believing that Shabazz is a serious consideration for this team. KCP, MCW, Bennett, McCollum seem like the most obvious guys that we're choosing from, but I wonder if Hardaway, Rice, Schroeder, Karasov, and Larkin will become part of the mix, too.

And I wouldn't totally discount guys like Zeller and Len and Dieng, although I've no doubt given the Pistons mixed up guard situation, that a guard is a higher priority, all things being equal.

Finally, I wouldn't put much stock into these early reports from writers and websites. No way that each of the teams aren't keeping their real thoughts close to the vest concerning who they like best from a pretty hard to distinguish from talent pool.

ComboGuardCity · Post #13 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:31 pm

Pope plays exactly like Iman Shumpert did in college minus the ball handling and intensity. If he focuses he'll be very good.

need4detroit · Post #14 » by **need4detroit** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:33 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Caldwell-Pope doesnt remind me of Rip at all. I see more of a Jason Richardson type

He only reminds me of Rip with his speed. I can see the J-Rich comp though.

ImHeisenberg · Post #15 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:48 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Caldwell-Pope doesnt remind me of Rip at all. I see more of a Jason Richardson type

But, this is a Pistons board so every possible player has to be compared to a former Piston! Didn't you know, man!?! :lol:

Also, I agree. His game is a little J-Rich.

ComboGuardCity · Post #16 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat May 25, 2013 6:20 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:Caldwell-Pope doesnt remind me of Rip at all. I see more of a Jason Richardson type

But, this is a Pistons board so every possible player has to be compared to a former Piston! Didn't you know, man!?!

Also, I agree. His game is a little J-Rich.

So lets compare him to a Spartan instead?

Jodi · Post #17 » by **Jodi** » Sat May 25, 2013 6:41 pm

It would be wise to pick Muhammad if he's available 8th overall...

The Moose · Post #18 » by **The Moose** » Sat May 25, 2013 8:41 pm

And Schröder...

OneBadMutha · Post #19 » by **OneBadMutha** » Sat May 25, 2013 10:50 pm

Add me to the KCP bandwagon. If the Pistons are going to roll with Drummond and Monroe, the only way they are going to off-set Monroe's defensive liabilities is by being above average defending on the perimeter while playing inside out on offense. That means you want your guards to be able to keep their man in front of them on defense and to be able to hit their shots from the perimeter.

KCP lacks ball-handling and playmaking off the dribble but he may be the 2nd best fit in this draft based on how the Pistons needs meet his strengths.

Muhammad does not fit except in position. He's neither a stellar shooter or defender. In comparing those two attributes, KCP is a much better player. There are no similarities between him and Drummond either...other than having lackluster freshman seasons that dropped their stock. Drummond was always a physical freak but dropped due to questions of his IQ and motor. Muhammad is opposite. He plays hard but doesn't have the combination of size and athletic ability to be great at any position. He strikes me as a poor man's Sprewell.

Pharaoh · Post #20 » by **Pharaoh** » Sun May 26, 2013 1:42 am

I'm personally still looking at MCW and wondering if he's driven enough....

Not sure who will be a better player in 3 years time: MCW, Bazz, KCP or someone else

We have to get this pick right for the long term... Drummond + Monroe + ???? needs to be the foundation... Knight is not a sure thing