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If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:58 am
by Kilo
Abdenour has been with the Pistons for 32 years, Kander will enter his 20th season with the Pistons. Both have been though many coaching changes and an ownership change. But whereas they might have had loyalty to Mr. D in the past, the only constant they have now is Dumars and I don't think would have any allegiance or loyalty to Gores or the new GM.

Joe Dumars is pushing 30 years with the Pistons as both player and then in the front office - they know him and he knows them. There is a familiarity and trust there, the known entity.

Dumars would be in the market for maybe a New York second before somebody snapped him up for some front office role, or he could sit out the season and surely get a plum front office + GM offer come next season, where he'd have the ability to hire who he wants to hire almost completely unquestioned by his new teams owner.

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:19 am
by Pharaoh
I don't think any of us would know what would happen if Joe was fired.

Would they leave? Maybe - but surely the Pistons are "home" and it's pretty hard to up root everything after such a long time and go elsewhere

I'm of the opinion that Joe will never be fired! He'll retire or be promoted but if he's working in the NBA it will only be with the Pistons.

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:31 am
by ImHeisenberg
I'd assume they would prefer to stay. We're talking about loyalty and things like that, but these guys have been working and living in the Detroit area for more than two decades. They have roots, they have family, they have homes.

Despite any good will they would have towards Dumars, they have to think about what's best for their families, and staying where they're comfortable has to come first. Especially as they're not really management, it's not as if a new GM effects their job.

They're highly respected people in the league. If they ever wanted to leave Detroit, or simply make more money, they probably could have a dozen and half times over.

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:36 am
by Cowology
I suppose I could see rival organizations trying to woo them away, but I have no reason to believe that either guy would decide to pursue other positions simply because Dumars is gone.

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:46 am
by JD43320
Dumars is the last connection anyone has to the old regime under Davidson. Maybe they just don't feel like moving but beyond that they'd have no other loyalty tying them to the Pistons.

Cowology wrote:I suppose I could see rival organizations trying to woo them away, but I have no reason to believe that either guy would decide to pursue other positions simply because Dumars is gone.


Rival? You mean like the Bobcats or Kings?

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 5:29 am
by Warspite
Abendour is still alive much less still with the Pistons is amazing. This guy was pre Chuck Daly. Isnt Mikes Criminal record make him unable to get a license in other states? Cant imagine he would leave. Retire maybe but leave no.

Kander could be had but wouldnt he have been picked away already?

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 8:04 pm
by DetroitDon15
To see Joe D replaced, I'd be down with it in all honesty. Joe D has to go!

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:29 am
by qm22
Abendour has a criminal record? Curious.

I find Kander's mythological status to be a bit suspect personally. I have no agenda against him, but I remember features on him from the recent title era and he was into some things which are in the realm of homeopathic medicine, some of it dubious and some scientifically laughable.

I googled one of the things I could remember:
Sometimes, Kander even uses a machine to change the angles of the bonds in the water molecules.

"Ask anyone who has drank the right water," he said, "the right bond angle, the right temperature, the right alkalinity, and they'll say they can't go back."
http://www.aolnews.com/2007/03/28/there ... n-detroit/


The machine to change the bond angle of water, hoho. IIRC, that was something being sold on infomercials. Frankly, while I support open mindedness, that type of decision making doesn't strike me as suitable for someone in charge of advising highly expensive athletes on their health regimes. Straight pseudo-science here, which should be spotted for fraudulence (but not local media, of course) with an 8'th grade science background. While a harmless scam in general, such poor decision processes could turn out worse in some situations. In this case the most harm from the fake water bond angle altering machine is in its substitute for reality based prescriptions. I at least hope they've stopped this particular embarrassment.

The quoted article also mentions how (at the time) Kander was credited for Chris Webber's health turnaround, when in current perspective it was seen that Webber came in after off-time for rehab and then degenerated. Not indicating that Kander had a positive or negative influence, but note that he was building on his reputation when there was a situation for optimism and under no serious evaluation later on, as with most reporting on Kander.

Not to say that he is a total incompetent, I'm sure he means well and has large amounts of practical experience from being in his position for a long time, and from his personal background in sports and ballet. His track record for maintaining/promoting player health among NBA trainers is at least average. He must be the king of placebo effects in the NBA though, and maybe placebos can at times help. (An effort to be nice).

If I were the owner I would seriously review his practices and at the least bring in someone with a foundation in modern medical science. The idea that he would easily find a job in competing NBA teams is laughable to me. There are a lot of qualified people trained in this area and I doubt his homeopathic style has a place in a modern professional sports environment, except for here where he has a history and favorable reputation from local puff reporting which actually (as above) has lauded him for idiocy and credited him for a lot of things where his contribution was not actually clear. I've probably forgotten some cases where Kander has come through, but it's a question of whether he did anything that someone trained at the professional sports level for physical therapy would not.

Personally, for the sake of having hope in our players having good health, I'm glad most NBA players have personal extensive backgrounds in health management and training from high school and collegiate levels. Actually, after typing all this out, I think I changed my mind about having an agenda. It's best not to think about it, that is all I can think positively about Kander ATM. In response to the OP, I would not be heartbroken if Kander quit if Joe Dumars were fired, however I'm sure he would not find other NBA teams looking for his home remedy placebo based approach knocking on his door.

Re: If Dumars was fired/quit would Kander and Abdenour leave

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 6:40 am
by Warspite
Abdenour decided to test the response time of EMTs to the Palace w/o the authorities permission.

Pranking 911 didnt go over well.