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DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playoffs!)
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 4:50 pm
by DetroitDon15
Just looking to make slight improves while continuing to develop our young talent. Creating a solid core to hopefully entice a great player to be the go to guy when the FA season of 2014 hits. I think this team would compete for a 5 to 8 seed which will entice a star with what we got. This team is probably like the 09 Pistons but what the heck. We make the playoffs and have a nice young team.
Moves:
Hire: George Karl if he'll come, if not i'll take Mo Cheecks or Nate McMillan
Trade 1: Detroit Gets: F Danny Granger , Indiana Gets: F Khris Middleton and C Slava Krastov
Trade 2: Detroit Gets: F Shawn Marion, 13th & 44th Overall Pick , Dallas Gets: Two Future Second Round Picks
Waive Rights too: G Jose Calderon, F Jason Maxiell and G Will Bynum
Buy Out: G Rodney Stuckey and F Shawn Marion
Amnesity: F Charlie Villanueva
Draft (First Round): G CJ McCollum at 8, F Shabazz Muhammed at 13,
Draft (Second Round): C Jeff Withey at 37, F Mike Muscala at 44 and G Rey McCallum Jr at 56
Roster (Depth Chart):
G CJ McCollum/Brandon Knight/Rey McCallum Jr.
F Shabazz Muhammed/Kim English
F Danny Granger/Kyle Singler
F Greg Monroe/Jonas Jerebko/Mike Muscala
C Andre Drummond/Jeff Withey
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:00 pm
by Timmaytime
i would be happy if this happens, i think it opens up a lot for us, however i can't see Joe D & Company doing it and basically guaranteeing a losing season
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:14 pm
by rmfc
Timmaytime wrote:i would be happy if this happens, i think it opens up a lot for us, however i can't see Joe D & Company doing it and basically guaranteeing a losing season
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:02 pm
by DetroitDon15
Timmaytime wrote:i would be happy if this happens, i think it opens up a lot for us, however i can't see Joe D & Company doing it and basically guaranteeing a losing season
I don't see us doing enough to land a legit star. My plan is to put the pieces in place to attract that star. We'd be in a perfect spot for that star guy. It's my thinking behind the moves.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:22 pm
by Timmaytime
DetroitDon15 wrote:Timmaytime wrote:i would be happy if this happens, i think it opens up a lot for us, however i can't see Joe D & Company doing it and basically guaranteeing a losing season
I don't see us doing enough to land a legit star. My plan is to put the pieces in place to attract that star. We'd be in a perfect spot for that star guy. It's my thinking behind the moves.
makes sense to me, but sadly we don't run the Pistons Front Office, and i would like KCP over Shabazz but that's opinion
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:27 pm
by DetroitDon15
Timmaytime wrote:DetroitDon15 wrote:Timmaytime wrote:i would be happy if this happens, i think it opens up a lot for us, however i can't see Joe D & Company doing it and basically guaranteeing a losing season
I don't see us doing enough to land a legit star. My plan is to put the pieces in place to attract that star. We'd be in a perfect spot for that star guy. It's my thinking behind the moves.
makes sense to me, but sadly we don't run the Pistons Front Office, and i would like KCP over Shabazz but that's opinion
I think KCP is the better all round player right now but I feel Muhammed is the better offensive weapon, has the higher ceiling and fits our team much better right now as opposed to Caldwell-Pope. I'm not hating on KCP but I think we are at a spot now that we have somewhat of a plan we need to start addressing need and fit over all others right now.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:34 pm
by ComboGuardCity
Much rather trade Singler.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:43 pm
by DetroitDon15
ComboGuardCity wrote:Much rather trade Singler.
I'd hope Singler would become a good back-up SF/SG type. I mean for what we are paying him the production is worth it. He won't bring back much of anything in a trade in all honesty.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:43 pm
by Sheedpocalypse
Would Indiana really give up Granger for Khris & Kravtsov? I don't know about that...
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:45 pm
by theBigLip
Sheedpocalypse wrote:Would Indiana really give up Granger for Khris & Kravtsov? I don't know about that...
My thoughts as well. They almost made it to the finals. They are not looking for a salary dump.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:46 pm
by DetroitDon15
Sheedpocalypse wrote:Would Indiana really give up Granger for Khris & Kravtsov? I don't know about that...
They need room to resign their own plus add pieces. They don't really need Granger. Paul George is the future there. They would also sell an injured 30 year old Granger making 14 mill for 10 cent on the dollar if you eat 13 mill of the cap space. No one will trade a young good player for him unless they unload a bad deal back which defeats the purpose of a trade in the first place.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 12:35 am
by ComboGuardCity
DetroitDon15 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:Much rather trade Singler.
I'd hope Singler would become a good back-up SF/SG type. I mean for what we are paying him the production is worth it. He won't bring back much of anything in a trade in all honesty.
I'm just higher on KM than Singler so I would switch the 2 in that trade.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 3:14 am
by HotelVitale
It would be a fun team to watch but seems all mismatched. Here are my thoughts:
That bench is the worst in the NBA.
90% of rookies aren't ready to be starters in the NBA, but we're making the playoffs asking two of them to be high-usage starters? And one of the starters is Shabazz '3-year-project-at-minimum' Muhammad? Assumes that both guys will immediately reach most of their pro potential, and that's not how this NBA thing works.
Also, if Granger is healthy, they'd probably just want to keep him as a 6th man, especially if they're getting nothing but garbage in return. Lance Stephenson is way too inconsistent to rely on as a solid scoring wing.
Also, Withey has been projected as a 1st rounder in pretty much every mock I've seen, might not want to count on him at 37 as our only way to spell a foul-prone Drummond.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 3:49 am
by rock digger
Granger isn't necessary to the Pacers success, but to think that they would trade him for next to nothing is foolish. At worst they could get a 1st round pick for him by some random team like the Bucks. Granger is still good at what he does, and just because George has overtaken him doesn't mean he's useless in the eyes of Pacers management. The Pacers are not incredibly tight for money, and I'm pretty sure that Granger expires when George is eligible for an extension.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 3:59 am
by HotelVitale
rock digger wrote:Granger isn't necessary to the Pacers success, but to think that they would trade him for next to nothing is foolish. At worst they could get a 1st round pick for him by some random team like the Bucks. Granger is still good at what he does, and just because George has overtaken him doesn't mean he's useless in the eyes of Pacers management. The Pacers are not incredibly tight for money, and I'm pretty sure that Granger expires when George is eligible for an extension.
Agreed. They might trade him for nothing if his health/recovery is questionable (like Bogut last year or Eric Gordon this offseason)...but if that's the case then we shouldn't be counting on him to pay 35+ minutes every night of every game. And if he goes down, a team that needs Muhammad, McCollum, and Middleton to play 30+ minutes each and score 40% of its points aint going to no playoffs.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 2:52 pm
by DetroitDon15
HotelVitale wrote:rock digger wrote:Granger isn't necessary to the Pacers success, but to think that they would trade him for next to nothing is foolish. At worst they could get a 1st round pick for him by some random team like the Bucks. Granger is still good at what he does, and just because George has overtaken him doesn't mean he's useless in the eyes of Pacers management. The Pacers are not incredibly tight for money, and I'm pretty sure that Granger expires when George is eligible for an extension.
Agreed. They might trade him for nothing if his health/recovery is questionable (like Bogut last year or Eric Gordon this offseason)...but if that's the case then we shouldn't be counting on him to pay 35+ minutes every night of every game. And if he goes down, a team that needs Muhammad, McCollum, and Middleton to play 30+ minutes each and score 40% of its points aint going to no playoffs.
I think you are missing the fact the no one is going to give much of anything for Granger at the price (salary) that he is at. It's a huge cap hit. For the Pacers to get anything of slight value back, they would have to take on bad salary which in the end defeats the purpose. That type of cap space would huge to add pieces for the Pacers threw FA. I also disagree with the Middleton hype. Can't crack the line-up on this crap team. Must not be very good. Probably shoulda been in the D-League all year, IMHO.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 3:50 pm
by HotelVitale
I see your point on Granger. If they re-sign West but dump Granger, they'd have a fair amount of money left for some FAs. But, at the same time, if Granger's healthy, you'd think they could get something decent for him? Rudy Gay fetched some assets and he's worse than Granger and due much more money than him. Granger was a 20+ pt scorer for several years before last year and he's a $14m expiring contact as well. Gotta be worth something to someone.
Also, this is no big deal but i think you misunderstood what I said about Middleton. The point was pretty clear in the post so I won't reexplain it, but I was saying it would be a disaster to expect Middleton to produce consistently next year.
Re: DD15's Offseason Plan (The tank rolls on - to the playof
Posted: Fri Jun 7, 2013 5:36 pm
by DetroitDon15
ComboGuardCity wrote:DetroitDon15 wrote:ComboGuardCity wrote:Much rather trade Singler.
I'd hope Singler would become a good back-up SF/SG type. I mean for what we are paying him the production is worth it. He won't bring back much of anything in a trade in all honesty.
I'm just higher on KM than Singler so I would switch the 2 in that trade.
I don't see it. Singler is proven and i'm not sure Middleton will get there. Lots of hype around him.