Let's Trade #8 pick to Denver

Piston Pete · Post #1 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:48 pm

TO DENVER:
#8 pick
Charlie Villanueva

They get a lottery pick and cap relief -- and CV may benefit greatly in their up-tempo system. He could become a 6th man of the year type player there.

TO DETROIT:
SF Wilson Chandler
PF Anthony Randolph
SG Evan Fournier

We take on long-term salaries, but they are all players who fill a need.

Knight
Fournier
Chandler
Monroe / Anthony
Drummond

DCintheD · Post #2 » by **DCintheD** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:58 pm

No chance. U've put way too much value in 8 and Charlie V is still Charlie V even if he's expiring

haulerch · Post #3 » by **haulerch** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:54 pm

Pass.. For Denver that is. Why would they trade the only SF who is actually signed for next year. Brewer/Iggy are FA's.

HotelVitale · Post #4 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:03 pm

Nice idea, but problems I see:
A) Denver doesn't really need cap relief
B) They might not trade Fournier for #8 straight up
C) You're asking them to trade the guy who will start at sf for the first half of the season, and probably be their second leading scorer during that time.

Clarity · Post #5 » by **Clarity** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:38 pm

I couldnt get past "Charlie V could become a sixth man of the year type player"

Post #6 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:57 pm

I'll just go ahead and pretend I didn't see the "6th man of the year" thing. We're long past the point where CV has any real value as a player.

Still vastly overrating the value of the 8th pick in a weak draft and the value of an expiring deal.

DetroitDon15 · Post #7 » by **DetroitDon15** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:11 pm

Moving CV would be basically like moving BG. You'll get expiring or a TPE back but no talent or real value. I'd rather hold onto 8 than add Chandler. I don't think i'd trade 8 for Chandler straight up in all honesty. I'm not trading a pick or doing a deal involving one without an impact talent coming back. Sorry that is not Chandler. Dude can't even beat out Gallo for the SF spot.

Jodi · Post #8 » by **Jodi** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:19 pm

I like Chandler, but we could get him without offering our 8th pick...Stuckey+Singler could get us Chandler...

Nuggets_Talk · Post #9 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:04 pm

Jodi wrote:I like Chandler, but we could get him without offering our 8th pick...Stuckey+Singler could get us Chandler...

not sure why...

Nuggets_Talk · Post #10 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:05 pm

DetroitDon15 wrote:Moving CV would be basically like moving BG. You'll get expiring or a TPE back but no talent or real value. I'd rather hold onto 8 than add Chandler. I don't think i'd trade 8 for Chandler straight up in all honesty. I'm not trading a pick or doing a deal involving one without an impact talent coming back. Sorry that is not Chandler. Dude can't even beat out Gallo for the SF spot.

thats not anything against chandler at all. horrible logic. gallo is just better, doesnt mean chandler is bad at all. hes a great talent on an amazing contract.

im not sure how you expect to get an "impact talent" back for the 8th pick in the 2013 draft.

DetroitDon15 · Post #11 » by **DetroitDon15** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:09 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
DetroitDon15 wrote:Moving CV would be basically like moving BG. You'll get expiring or a TPE back but no talent or real value. I'd rather hold onto 8 than add Chandler. I don't think i'd trade 8 for Chandler straight up in all honesty. I'm not trading a pick or doing a deal involving one without an impact talent coming back. Sorry that is not Chandler. Dude can't even beat out Gallo for the SF spot.

thats not anything against chandler at all. horrible logic. gallo is just better, doesnt mean chandler is bad at all. hes a great talent on an amazing contract.

im not sure how you expect to get an "impact talent" back for the 8th pick in the 2013 draft.

"Impact Talent" means starter on a playoff team. I think there are several guys i'd rather have over Chandler at 8.

Jodi · Post #12 » by **Jodi** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:
Jodi wrote:I like Chandler, but we could get him without offering our 8th pick...Stuckey+Singler could get us Chandler...

not sure why...

Huh??.

Mr. Krabs · Post #13 » by **Mr. Krabs** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:13 pm

Piston Pete wrote:He could become a 6th man of the year type player there.

DetroitDon15 · Post #14 » by **DetroitDon15** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:14 pm

Piston Pete wrote:TO DENVER:
#8 pick
Charlie Villanueva

They get a lottery pick and cap relief -- and CV may benefit greatly in their up-tempo system. He could become a 6th man of the year type player there.

TO DETROIT:
SF Wilson Chandler
PF Anthony Randolph
SG Evan Fournier

We take on long-term salaries, but they are all players who fill a need.

Knight
Fournier
Chandler
Monroe / Anthony
Drummond

PP, I'm confused why you have this crazy man love for Anthony Rudolph. He's a end bench guy at best. I just always see you having some way the Pistons try to acquire him as throw ins in any deal with the team he is on. Just food for thought on my end.

Piston Pete · Post #15 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:43 pm

He's talented and still only 23.

Post #16 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:11 pm

There are rumors that the 3rd overall pick might be traded for Ilysasova, yet you want the Nuggets to give up 3 young talented players, 2 of which project to either be starters or 6th man for the Nuggets next year for an 8th pick?

Also someone using Gallo as an example of why that shows Chandler is not that good, to spend some time doing some research on gallo and his game, fact is for all the misconceptions about him and his game, it is arguable that Gallo was the best player on a 57 win team last year, and it is hard to argue that he was not top 2.

ComboGuardCity · Post #17 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:24 pm

The Rebel wrote:There are rumors that the 3rd overall pick might be traded for Ilysasova, yet you want the Nuggets to give up 3 young talented players, 2 of which project to either be starters or 6th man for the Nuggets next year for an 8th pick?

Also someone using Gallo as an example of why that shows Chandler is not that good, to spend some time doing some research on gallo and his game, fact is for all the misconceptions about him and his game, it is arguable that Gallo was the best player on a 57 win team last year, and it is hard to argue that he was not top 2.

You're taking one RUMOR and extrapolating it to gauge value? Kind of foolish. And also, Gallo is a slightly above average player. I saw him more than any Nuggets fan as I followed his career in New York and he's a bad defender, inefficient scorer and overrated passer.

Post #18 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:38 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:
The Rebel wrote:There are rumors that the 3rd overall pick might be traded for Ilysasova, yet you want the Nuggets to give up 3 young talented players, 2 of which project to either be starters or 6th man for the Nuggets next year for an 8th pick?

Also someone using Gallo as an example of why that shows Chandler is not that good, to spend some time doing some research on gallo and his game, fact is for all the misconceptions about him and his game, it is arguable that Gallo was the best player on a 57 win team last year, and it is hard to argue that he was not top 2.

You're taking one RUMOR and extrapolating it to gauge value? Kind of foolish. And also, Gallo is a slightly above average player. I saw him more than any Nuggets fan as I followed his career in New York and he's a bad defender, inefficient scorer and overrated passer.

No I am also basing things off of history, and several rumors, fans of teams with lotto picks have an idea of huge value, when reality is that value is not there. It was not that long ago the 8th overall pick was traded for a JRich that was 1 year after a horrific knee injury that showed a huge affect and decline on his game. The 5th overall pick was traded for a marginal prospect and a Mike Miller that was basically done. But keep telling yourself that saying the 8th pick is not worth 3 young players, is fooling.

Also when did a .561 ts% become inefficient, and if that is inefficient then what does that make the rest of the league where the average is significantly lower? Sucks on defense, since when did a guy who sucks on defense have his team improve on defense when he is on the court despite his 2 backups being supposed defensive specialists? How does someone who sucks on defense win 70% of his matchups? When did a bad defender give up .64 points per possession in isolation, .69 points per possession in against the pick and roll ball handler. .8 points per possession against post ups, .82 against the role man? If you think that is bad defense then you need to watch more basketball.

Blkbrd671 · Post #19 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:45 am

i don't see the value there for us. Fournier is a good young piece but i didn't see enough from him to warrant us not just taking a chance on guys like shabazz. i like chandler as well, but he was really unimpressive in the playoffs, i do think it has a lot to do with his injury, but its not worth a lotto pick,.

HotelVitale · Post #20 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:27 am

DetroitDon15 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote: thats not anything against chandler at all. horrible logic. gallo is just better, doesnt mean chandler is bad at all. hes a great talent on an amazing contract. im not sure how you expect to get an "impact talent" back for the 8th pick in the 2013 draft.

"Impact Talent" means starter on a playoff team. I think there are several guys i'd rather have over Chandler at 8.

I'm not saying we should trade #8 for Chandler, but I agree fully with NuggetsTalk on this one. Chandler is a pretty good player--high usage, PERs around 15-- who's not quite as good as another good player (Gallo). And he's half the price of Gallo...so yeah he's a useful guy to have. Better at getting his own shot than any other SF we could sign this year, and he's as cheap as any of them.

Who do you have in mind as a 'starter on a playoff team' that we could get for #8 in this draft? (Other than Wilson Chandler...who was a starter in the playoffs this year!) I can only think of guys like Ray Felton, or maybe L-R Mbah Moute. They aren't really any better than Chandler.