2 salary catching trade ideas

coolness · Post #1 » by **coolness** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:26 pm

Haven't cried for help lately....

And these 2 trades don't go together as you will see. One or the other.

Det out: Middleton, Jerebko, 2nd's???
Det in: Lin, Delfino, Asik

Why? Super bench. Super expensive, but still. Amnesty Chuckles and could still play a little with roster management.

Hou out: Lin, Delfino, T.Robinson, Asik
Hou in: 2nd's???

Why? They might be going for a super-team. Trading other small contracts, could get them a superstar and an all-star with cap space. I don't know if they could get CP3 and Dwight to add to Harden and that white small forward guy on the 2nd rounder deal, but their assets are positive enough to get close to the threshold if they trade everybody else too.

Utah out: 2nd's???
Utah in: Middleton, Jerebko, T.Robinson

Why? They are probably not a top free agent destination, but they have cap space.
All 3 are good assets if you focus on how Jerebko finished the year strong.

Trade #2
Det out: Stuckey
Det in: J.Nelson and Afflalo

Why? Nelson is solid filler who could be a great back-up. (Edited: he would probably suck in a 3-guard rotation with Knight and Afflalo.) Afflalo is flat-out good for us unless our drafted player is a full-on sg. Nelson would be seen by Gores as somebody expendable by the time he expires and we WILL become an expensive team.

Orl out: J.Nelson and Afflalo
Orl in: Stuckey

Why? Stuckey expires and they don't. Save some money this year and/or get a nice TPE.
If they draft a pg, Stuckey helps with those minutes and is probably better than Nelson.
And last but not least...tankeriffic.

I prefer the first trade idea MUCH MORE. Having a second shot-blocking center and Lin, who finished the year strong after his injury is more than just solid. Teams would actually fear us a little.

DBC10 · Post #2 » by **DBC10** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:06 pm

The only problem with taking Lin's contract is that last year poison pill that's a bit hard to swallow. Same thing with Asik I believe. We could look to move them by that time though, but it'd probably be a good idea to keep at least Lin, since we already have 2 big men that are going to be insane. I've been the biggest advocate for this trade for a while. I think they're only slightly overpaid for what they produce, and to be fair, Lin wasn't really utilized properly this season since McHale seem to prefer Harden ball while the PG lays back and gives D. Plus, the insane revenue that Lin will generate from the Asian market will probably be interesting to say the least. Asik will be the best bench big man in the league if he does come here. Delfino is a team option I believe, which means they'll either decline or sign him for only 3 mil or so. I'd prefer to take on TRob instead of Delfino, but we do have a need for some 3 and D like Delfino gives.

I don't know about giving away Middleton, since he's been fairly productive for the limited minutes he got this year. I want to see what he's capable of and give him at least a season before we deal him. Maybe deal Singler instead?

Phenomenonsense · Post #3 » by **Phenomenonsense** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:26 pm

I don't see why we are taking on Lin and Asik without getting anything of value in return. Parsons or get off of the phone with Houston. I understand that Parsons is a good player, but he's not so good that you forgo getting CP3 and Howard.

Post #4 » by **dVs33** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:11 pm

Asik is a great player but his deal is pretty brutal later on.
With Dre and Moose already here it's hard to justify paying that much for a backup.

DBC10 · Post #5 » by **DBC10** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:53 pm

In that case, we should look to take on Lin's contract instead. If Morey can package TRob along with a future pick maybe, then we have a decent deal that a player is slightly getting overpaid. I doubt Morey does this though. We get a nice PG that's only had one full season with plenty room to grow and TRob who is potentially a good backup PF for Monroe or even a starter if Monroe leaves way down later. There are other teams out there that is willing to take Asik's contact.

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coolness · Post #6 » by **coolness** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:19 am

Asik and Lin have the same deal. $8.375 million per year. 2 more years.
That is how it works on the cap anyways. There were rumors of the cap being complicated, but it is not - but the money is.
The actual payments have a large last year. Like $5 million each next year. And $15 million each the next.
They are probably worth $10 million a year each on average for only 2 years. (well they are probably NOT, but think of how much they would help the team.)

Also, I wasn't aware of Delfino having a team option. He is easily worth the $3 million, but not to Houston with the cap space shenanigans they are going to attempt. They will decline him if the team option is true.

The trade is SO unlikely, but if Houston is hardcore, why not see if they thrown in Donatas Motiejunas as well? He makes $3 million but could be the stretch 4. Actually I don't know if he could.

I personally don't want Thomas Robinson. Actually, I want him. Then I would trade him immediately. :/

The Orlando trade probably wouldn't happen either. Judging by actual trades that take place in the league it is possible that Orlando would be the one turning it down. "They BOTH have VALUE." Suuuuure...
Then again we could still make good signings if CV is amnestied. That team might be good...

DetroitDon15 · Post #7 » by **DetroitDon15** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:40 pm

Not a fan of these moves. I'd only take on salary for a draft pick.

vege · Post #8 » by **vege** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:42 pm

coolness wrote:Haven't cried for help lately....

And these 2 trades don't go together as you will see. One or the other.

Det out: Middleton, Jerebko, 2nd's???
Det in: Lin, Delfino, Asik

Delfino is not under contract. Lin and Asik make together 30 million in 2 years. It doesn't count against the cap but does count against Gores pockets and that's absurd, no owner will pay max money for Asik or Lin.

Houston would have absolutely no interest in take Jerebko back. Houston need to dump Lin, Asik, Royce White and either Terrence Jones or Donatas Motiejunas to sign Chris Paul and Dwight Howard and that should be their goal.

They are the only realistic option for Howard/Paul to team up. Paul/Harden/Parsons/G.Smith/Howard is a very plausible starting 5.

They can for example trade Lin/TRob/#34 to Detroit.
Asik + White to Portland for a future 1st
and then trade TJones to a team for a future 1st.

DBC10 · Post #9 » by **DBC10** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:57 pm

vege wrote:
coolness wrote:Haven't cried for help lately....

And these 2 trades don't go together as you will see. One or the other.

Det out: Middleton, Jerebko, 2nd's???
Det in: Lin, Delfino, Asik

Delfino is not under contract. Lin and Asik make together 30 million in 2 years. It doesn't count against the cap but does count against Gores pockets and that's absurd, no owner will pay max money for Asik or Lin.

Houston would have absolutely no interest in take Jerebko back. Houston need to dump Lin, Asik, Royce White and either Terrence Jones or Donatas Motiejunas to sign Chris Paul and Dwight Howard and that should be their goal.

They are the only realistic option for Howard/Paul to team up. Paul/Harden/Parsons/G.Smith/Howard is a very plausible starting 5.

They can for example trade Lin/TRob/#34 to Detroit.
Asik + White to Portland for a future 1st
and then trade TJones to a team for a future 1st.

My body is ready.

This is the only trade that I'd really like to happen in the offseason, besides finding an established 3 like Iggy. I'm assuming we'll pick either a 2 or a surprise pick like MCW with our #8.

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:03 pm

Houston has ALOT of moving parts to get into the CP3-Dwight discussion.

If Joe didn't resign Jonas and gave Stuckey one less year we'd be in position to give CP3-Dwight an opportunity to team up with Monroe-Drummond-Knight-#8-Singler-Middleton.

coolness · Post #11 » by **coolness** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:13 pm

2 clarifications and 1 peace-out Vege. 8-)

vege wrote:Delfino is not under contract.

He was when I made the thread.

vege wrote:Houston would have absolutely no interest in take Jerebko back.

I had Jerebko going to Utah.

chrbal · Post #12 » by **chrbal** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:59 pm

Why do we have to blow all of our cap space to get pretty good players? Thats what we did when we did the "connecticut connection" that landed in this mess.
Lin and Asik could make sense, but make a ton of money and are just not worth it (Asik is a lot closer than Lin though).

vege · Post #13 » by **vege** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:08 pm

coolness wrote:2 clarifications and 1 peace-out Vege.

vege wrote:Delfino is not under contract.

He was when I made the thread.

vege wrote:Houston would have absolutely no interest in take Jerebko back.

I had Jerebko going to Utah.

He was obviously going to get cut. Utah has no use for Jerebko or TRob, in fact Utah has similar roles compared to us, they need a PG and at least 1 winger, they'll not blow their cap space in Jerebko and TRob that's nonsense.