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Perhaps paying $60 million for Iggy or Smith isnt' the route to go and we'd be better off getting cheaper free agents who are a bit under the radar.

Sign 1 BIG 1 WING 1 GUARD

Bigs Choose from: Splitter,Al Jefferson, Chris Kamen, Carl Landry, Tyler Hansborough, Chris Anderson, Dalembert, Andrew Bynum, JJ Hickson, [b[Paul Millsap[/b]

Wings Choose from: Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow, Corey Brewer, Matt Barnes, JJ Redick, Aminu, JR Smith, Nick Young, Eric Maynor, Boris Diaw, Martell Webster, Carlos Delfino

Guards Choose from: Jeff Teague, Devin Harris, CJ Watson, Nate Robinson, Darren Collison, Gary Neal, Mo Williams

If we can find the right mix of three of these guys to add our top 6 guys from our rotation we could have a very solid 9 man rotation.

Millsap
Webster
Neal

C:Dre/Monroe
PF:Monroe/Millsap
SF:Webster/Singler
SG:Knight/Kentavious
PG:Neal/Stuckey

Neal isn't a starting caliber player and Webster is injury prone...I love the Millsap pick-up though...

Millsap will get 8-10 mill. No thanks

Jodi wrote:Neal isn't a starting caliber player and Webster is injury prone...I love the Millsap pick-up though...

Doesn't have to be Neal or Webster.... Just the idea of adding 3 solid players to the team rather than just one big name.

We need another quality big up front as giving Maxiell, Jonas, and CV minutes there just seems to hurt our team.

We need a quality PG and Teague could be a young stud we could possibly steal away from Atlanta if they decide to give Josh Smith a MAX 5 year deal to keep him. Neal also is a very solid PG as well and I feel like for sure better than knight at this moment... but we could also look at Teague, Collison, and others.

Getting guys on slightly above MLE(or MLE) deals because that end up being bargains is what Joe D did with Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups and was largely responsible for our huge success 10 years ago.

He wanted to pay Chris Webber $100 million but luckily failed in his attempts.

Iguodala, Millsap, and Collison should be our targets

Iguodala - 4/48 (12/yr)
Millsap - 2/20 (10/yr)
Collison - 3/12 (4/yr)

8-man rotation of:

Knight, Collsion, KCP, Iguodala, Singler, Millsap, Monroe, Drummond

ComboGuardCity wrote:Millsap will get 8-10 mill. No thanks

No one will pay Millsap more than $7 million starting IMO.

If Dwight goes to the rockets other teams(Dallas and Cleveland) will clamor for Andrew Bynum and Al Jefferson.

Utah has two young bigs and likely is going to tank next year playing the young guys and letting Al Jefferson, Millsap, and Mo Williams walk while they play Burke, Favors, and Kanter.

I might be wrong but I don't think they are going to sign both Smith and Iguodala. Its probably one or the other and the interest in both is just Joe hedging his bets as a backup plan. I have to disagree with spending all our money on rotational players instead though. We need upgrades in talent more than just filing needs.

Q00 wrote:I might be wrong but I don't think they are going to sign both Smith and Iguodala. Its probably one or the other and the interest in both is just Joe hedging his bets as a backup plan. I have to disagree with spending all our money on rotational players instead though. We need upgrades in talent more than just filing needs.

I agree we need upgrade in talent... I guess its just the idea of getting two starters and a 6th man of the year candidate type player rather than spending everything on one all-star.

If we don't amnesty CV all we would have to spend is enough for Iggy or Smith and one MLE type player... Spreading it out between two starters and a 6th man type player might be a better option and if those players are young and still improving could be good enough to outplay their contracts rather than underperform.

Dre Drummond wrote:

Q00 wrote:I might be wrong but I don't think they are going to sign both Smith and Iguodala. Its probably one or the other and the interest in both is just Joe hedging his bets as a backup plan. I have to disagree with spending all our money on rotational players instead though. We need upgrades in talent more than just filing needs.

I agree we need upgrade in talent... I guess its just the idea of getting two starters and a 6th man of the year candidate type player rather than spending everything on one all-star.

If we don't amnesty CV all we would have to spend is enough for Iggy or Smith and one MLE type player... Spreading it out between two starters and a 6th man type player might be a better option and if those players are young and still improving could be good enough to outplay their contracts rather than underperform.

I'm thinking more like we would spend about 13-14 mil on Smith or Iguodala, and then still have 6-7 mil to get another starter like Kevin Martin or Jr Smith. Plus we have Stuckey and Charlie v expiring contracts that can be used to get other pieces in trades perhaps. If we could come away with one of Smith or Iguodala, one of Martin or JR, and then maybe pickup Bledsoe in a trade and have a whole new starting perimeter, that would be great.

Dre Drummond wrote:I agree we need upgrade in talent... I guess its just the idea of getting two starters and a 6th man of the year candidate type player rather than spending everything on one all-star.

If we don't amnesty CV all we would have to spend is enough for Iggy or Smith and one MLE type player... Spreading it out between two starters and a 6th man type player might be a better option and if those players are young and still improving could be good enough to outplay their contracts rather than underperform.

I think you're miscalculating what we or anyone else can get for $5-7m dollars. That type of contact allows you three types of gambles: an aging vet on the decline (Andre Miller, Drew Golden), a guy who was decent in big minutes but had big question marks around him (JJ Hickson this year, Ramon Sessions last year), or a project who showed flashes but wasn't quite there with his previous team (Aminu this year, Ch Billups first deal with us). Most of those don't pan out well but they're the only way you get a decent stater for that sort of money. Other than that, you just get guys who are complementary pieces who shouldn't be playing much unless you have some very good players around them (C Lee, Chr Anderson, JJ Barea).

So in my eyes, what you're arguing for is basically three guys who won't make any mediocre team much better but will help your team not be a laughingstock. Not what most people were hoping for this offseason.

Also, why would you assume Paul Millsap won't get offered more than $7m per year? Every year he puts up great advanced stats--PERs around 20, great percentages-- and he fits well into team concepts since he can shoot and rebound, and passes as well as any PF. He doesn't get plays called for him and still puts up 18/9/3 per 36 minutes. (Those numbers, and his advanced stats, and similar to Monroe's from the last two seasons). He's not an all star but he's a really nice player. And he's 28. Those guys tend to get paid more than the midlevel exception.

Dre Drummond wrote:

Jodi wrote:Neal isn't a starting caliber player and Webster is injury prone...I love the Millsap pick-up though...

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Getting guys on slightly above MLE(or MLE) deals because that end up being bargains is what Joe D did with Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups and was largely responsible for our huge success 10 years ago. He wanted to pay Chris Webber $100 million but luckily failed in his attempts.

Okay, I see what you're thinking now... but it's a ludicrous expectation. That 2003 pistons teams is the only team ever that got two all stars off midlevel deals. In fact i can't think of a single other all star who was acquired on a midlevel deal to a non contender. We struck gold with Chauncey, and then again with Ben. The chances of that happening again with two guys we could sign this year? I would put it charitably at 1 in 1000.

(Also Gary Neal is a 'solid point guard'?)

Sign Smith, Iggy & Chauncey and we are a playoff team.

Knight/Billups/Siva
Iggy/KCP
Smith/(Iggy)/Singler/Middleton
Monroe/(Smith)/Mitchell/Jerebko
Drummond/(Monroe)/Krav

That's the best we could do.

iggy is good for us, he can not shoot but can creat for others. iggy and monroe would be our play makers instead of knight

Dre Drummond wrote:Perhaps paying $60 million for Iggy or Smith isnt' the route to go and we'd be better off getting cheaper free agents who are a bit under the radar.

Sign 1 BIG 1 WING 1 GUARD

Bigs Choose from: Splitter,Al Jefferson, Chris Kamen, Carl Landry, Tyler Hansborough, Chris Anderson, Dalembert, Andrew Bynum, JJ Hickson, [b[Paul Millsap[/b]

Wings Choose from: Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow, Corey Brewer, Matt Barnes, JJ Redick, Aminu, JR Smith, Nick Young, Eric Maynor, Boris Diaw, Martell Webster, Carlos Delfino

Guards Choose from: Jeff Teague, Devin Harris, CJ Watson, Nate Robinson, Darren Collison, Gary Neal, Mo Williams

If we can find the right mix of three of these guys to add our top 6 guys from our rotation we could have a very solid 9 man rotation.

Millsap
Webster
Neal

C:Dre/Monroe
PF:Monroe/Millsap
SF:Webster/Singler
SG:Knight/Kentavious
PG:Neal/Stuckey

I'm confused why everyone seems to think Milsap is going to come to a lotto team to be a back-up. I'm sure he can find a better team to be a back-up if he went that way. I just don't see that happening. Plus you don't pay 10 mill a year for a back-up unless your name is Joe Dumars, couch Gordon cough. Oh wait never mind.

DetroitDon15 wrote:I'm confused why everyone seems to think Milsap is going to come to a lotto team to be a back-up. I'm sure he can find a better team to be a back-up if he went that way.

Millsap will come here if we pay him fair market value and you sell him on the place.

He'd be the 3rd big man in a 3 big rotation: Drummond 30, Monroe 34, Millsap 32.

He's getting paid the same money he'd get elsewhere, playing the same minutes he'd play elsewhere!

What better team could offer him $10 mil per season and have him come off the bench?

Name those teams please!

I just don't see that happening. Plus you don't pay 10 mill a year for a back-up unless your name is Joe Dumars, cough Gordon cough. Oh wait never mind.

Paying $10 mil per season for a back-up big man that plays 32 minutes per night and is named Paul Millsap is a good idea!

Dude is 28 years old, just entering his prime, puts up outstanding numbers (advanced or otherwise), is regarded as an "old pro", puts the team before himself, leads by example and his actual skills compliment our young bigs!

What's not to like about Paul Millsap?

Assuming we're willing to amnesty CV-DNP we could sign Millsap and Iguodala and roll with:

Drummond 30, Monroe 34, Millsap 32
Iguodala 32, Singler 16
K.C.P 24, Middleton 14, Stuckey 10
Knight 30, Stuckey 18

9-man rotation... with Mitchell, Slava, Jerebko, English and Siva as depth

I haven't crunched the numbers but I assume if we used the amnesty on CV we would have approx $29 mil in cap space:

Millsap = $10 mil per
Iggy = $15 mil per

Sign Eric Maynor if you wish with some of the remaining $5 mil and be done with it

Gary Neal??

Pharaoh, I must say, well done sir. Out of all the trade/FA ideas, I think this is the one that I like best so far.

Pharaoh wrote:

DetroitDon15 wrote:I'm confused why everyone seems to think Milsap is going to come to a lotto team to be a back-up. I'm sure he can find a better team to be a back-up if he went that way.

Millsap will come here if we pay him fair market value and you sell him on the place.

He'd be the 3rd big man in a 3 big rotation: Drummond 30, Monroe 34, Millsap 32.

He's getting paid the same money he'd get elsewhere, playing the same minutes he'd play elsewhere!

What better team could offer him $10 mil per season and have him come off the bench?

Name those teams please!

I just don't see that happening. Plus you don't pay 10 mill a year for a back-up unless your name is Joe Dumars, cough Gordon cough. Oh wait never mind.

Paying $10 mil per season for a back-up big man that plays 32 minutes per night and is named Paul Millsap is a good idea!

Dude is 28 years old, just entering his prime, puts up outstanding numbers (advanced or otherwise), is regarded as an "old pro", puts the team before himself, leads by example and his actual skills compliment our young bigs!

What's not to like about Paul Millsap?

Assuming we're willing to amnesty CV-DNP we could sign Millsap and Iguodala and roll with:

Drummond 30, Monroe 34, Millsap 32
Iguodala 32, Singler 16
K.C.P 24, Middleton 14, Stuckey 10
Knight 30, Stuckey 18

9-man rotation... with Mitchell, Slava, Jerebko, English and Siva as depth

I haven't crunched the numbers but I assume if we used the amnesty on CV we would have approx $29 mil in cap space:

Millsap = $10 mil per
Iggy = $15 mil per

Sign Eric Maynor if you wish with some of the remaining $5 mil and be done with it

I think Milsap will get 8 mill to be a starter on a better team. I could see Dallas and Houston as possible fits both are better. Orlando would be a fit as well. We need to spend that money on a wing player.

We really need a backup big too... Jonas and CV aren't going to cut it.

We have to get someone else who can give us positive minutes at PF and or C.

milsap is better fit eith drummond than monroe.