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I think this is the only week they can use the amnesty in the offseason, unless they plan to play him at SG, whats the deal. I know Gores probably doesnt like the idea to pay a guy not to play for the Pistons, but it is the best move to gain flexibility right now. Also a team would probably pick him up for 2-3 mil and lesser the "buyout" amount.

Also if trades is the way to improve right now, isnt capspace more valuable than Charlie's expiring contract? With capspace you can take back larger contracts than sending out, without capspace you have to match it somehow.

Do you really think he can get minutes at PF or any other frontcourt position with Smith/Jerebko/Mitchell able to play backup PF? This guy has no future with this team.

I hate him just as much as you do. But here's the thing about him. He's our only stretch 4. JJ can't shoot as well as he does. At the same time, he's an expiring. So he won't be that hard to move in the first place. He said he's not going to play for the DR in the summer because he needs to focus on this important year, contract year. In my opinion, I want him to get traded a ton of times this season so he won't be able to get ANY money. I hate him! He's a piece of ****. However, I hate to see him leave with an amnesty clause. I want him to get traded to a team like the Bobcats or Kings. I want him to stay on the bench and never get playing time. I can't stand him!

The point he's our only stretch big is valid. I'm just not sure I hate him or his contract more.

We have no reason to use the amnesty on CV. He will expire next season and he is our only big that can hit the 3 regularly. CV is a likely rotation player this year. He's overpaid but for 15-20, I have no problems with CV playing alongside Drummond to stretch the floor.

One of our most effective lineups was Bynum-Singler-Daye-CV-Drummond- and I think we will run a similiar lineup this season.

He's in a contract year - if there was ever a time for him to bust his ass it would be this year. He's better than JJ and better than Mitchell this year. He's probably the first big off the bench this year assuming we start Smith/Monroe/Drummond.

3 reasons i disagree, as much as i did want him gone earlier, i now see why we wont, other than gores being cheap.
1. he might be effective for a few minutes this year considering how with josh smith and drummond, spacing wont be great.

2. he can actually be a valuable piece in a trade now that hes expiring, theres a good chance he gets moved at sometime throughout the offseason or at the deadline along with stuckey.

3. if we cant/dont move him, the expiring will be useful for us to have another go at free agency next year (stuck+cv will give us about 17mil.) after hopefully a more successful season with smith+kcp+growth which will hopefully also attract some higher quality free agents. the cap space is obviously much better to have next free agency period than to free it up now when almost all players have signed. signing a player in free agency next year is much better than trading for a borderline star with stuck+cv simply because they are overpaid.

There is no capspace next year if we don't use it this year.

Monroe will have a huge caphold and than likely get a max deal.

That $17 million of expirings will go to offset Monroe's contract and we'd likely have MLE type money next year. Which might be Joe D's plan anyways... so that we don't hit the luxury tax down the road. That may be why he didn't look to add a second big contract this season to a player like Teague, Henderson, Ellis, etc. He may only want players on two years deals because after that Drummond will have a BIG PAY DAY.

I don't see this happening. As scary as it is to say, he is our third best big (not including Josh Smith). He can stretch the floor with three point range. He is a solid player when motivated. I think Cheeks can do that for him.

Added a poll.

My depth chart at PF would be Monroe/Smith/Jerebko/Mitchell/Charlie. As i said i would prefer capspace. This is also the last opportunity to use the amnesty at all.

My PF depth chart would be Monroe|Villanueva|Jerebko|Mitchell, of course Smith would get minutes before CV here, but Charlie's ability to stretch the floor from the spot could allow him to be on the floor with Smith and Drummond, essentially leaving Smith at the three, which creates mismatches for his guard.

we have a PF logjam with Smith (as a PF backup), CV, Jerebko, Mitchell. Somebody's got to go. I like Jerebko still but we now have other players that provide the things he provided.

Before the offseason started I would've picked Jerebko over Villanueva every day. But now that we have Smith to backup the PF spot when he's not playing SF, I think Villanueva is the better fit. He's a better 3 point shooter than Jerebko which is what we need most from that spot.

A. He's great trade bait now
B. Who would we pick up Monta or Henderson? Pass

DetroitDon15 wrote:I don't see this happening. As scary as it is to say, he is our third best big (not including Josh Smith). He can stretch the floor with three point range. He is a solid player when motivated. I think Cheeks can do that for him.

I hate when I'm right.

Keep him or combine him with someone else in a 2 for 1 trade. But I don't think we should just pay him to go away at this point. He's in a contract year, and is still probably one of our best shooters. He'll have a role here.


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Dude will be in a contract season and therefore should be motivated to perform

Throw in Chauncey being on the team and "forcing" dudes like CV and Stuckey to man up...

Throw in the fact CV can hit the long bomb and has chemistry with Drummond

Amnesty him now? Why? Who would we sign that would help us long term?

I was all for using the amnesty on him ASAP but that time has come and gone. You gotta roll with the punches and adjust to the market... and there is no one out there right now I'd want to load up on

RTM wrote:Keep him or combine him with someone else in a 2 for 1 trade. But I don't think we should just pay him to go away at this point. He's in a contract year, and is still probably one of our best shooters. He'll have a role here.


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That is a very and scary thought right now.