A way to get Rondo from Celtics

Ballboar · Post #1 » by **Ballboar** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:13 am

Boston's salary is Hard Cap ( 70mil, need cap relief). Pistons trade: Knight (2.8mil) , Jerebko (4.5mil) Singler (1.mil) & Bynum (2.9mil) = Aprox 11.2 mil Boston trades Rondo (11,9mil) & Humphies (12, Mil) = 23.9mil. Pistons take $12.7 towards their cap They have around 5mil cap space left & let CV go on his way (8 mil)

JD43320 · Post #2 » by **JD43320** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:21 am

Boston wouldn't do it. Not in a million years. They aren't going to trade their only all star for scraps even if we take on a bad contract. Give it up. As much as we might want Rondo we won't give up what Boston would want in return.

Hotmayo · Post #3 » by **Hotmayo** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:56 am

How do we know Boston isn't thinking about joes offer?

For all we know, they could be.

ocellatus921 · Post #4 » by **ocellatus921** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:58 am

I'd trade Stuckey & 2 future unprotected 1st round picks for Rondo...

bennett13 · Post #5 » by **bennett13** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:18 am

F^€|< Boston and thinking they can get our good young players they got Sh!+ for Peirce and Garnett and now think they can take our good players for a guy that is coming off a serous injury and won't play probably until after the AS break? Pass!

DijonRondo · Post #6 » by **DijonRondo** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:22 am

Ainge is probably laughing his ass off while hanging up the phone. Why would he trade away his one and only star for your trash?

DetroitDon15 · Post #7 » by **DetroitDon15** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:14 am

If Ainge would consider moving Rondo to Detroit, Lee and Wallace would go with him plus getting value for Rondo. This sounds alot like Joe D offering Stuckey and DNP-CV for Gay. Just a bad offer.

dan2314 · Post #8 » by **dan2314** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:11 am

stop thinking we are going to get all stars/fringe all stars like rondo, gordon, gay, etc. with our junk. if we will do whatever we can to get rid of it, why would they give up their best player, to take stuff that we dont want. its like them going the other way saying they will give us gerald wallace and humphries for monroe simply because we got josh smith and therefore apparently dont need him anymore. think it through, its not going to happen.

captainrebel · Post #9 » by **captainrebel** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:25 am

DijonRondo wrote:Ainge is probably laughing his ass off while hanging up the phone. Why would he trade away his one and only star for your trash?

Detroit’s offering ‘trash,’ Boston’s offering a ‘broken down car.’ If I were Joe I would hold off on this trade till after the season starts and see how well Rondo can play after that ACL injury. Or, Boston can go ahead and throw in a 1st with that ‘broken down car’ this minute and Detroit can send out the ‘trash.’

DijonRondo · Post #10 » by **DijonRondo** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:52 am

captainrebel wrote:
DijonRondo wrote:Ainge is probably laughing his ass off while hanging up the phone. Why would he trade away his one and only star for your trash?

Detroit’s offering ‘trash,’ Boston’s offering a ‘broken down car.’ If I were Joe I would hold off on this trade till after the season starts and see how well Rondo can play after that ACL injury. Or, Boston can go ahead and throw in a 1st with that ‘broken down car’ this minute and Detroit can send out the ‘trash.’

Okay, you do that.

Pharaoh · Post #11 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:50 pm

Boston traded KG and Pierce for what?

Spare parts, picks and a bad contract!

Now Celtic fans expect Detroit to pony up a "real" offer for Rondo? Why?

If anyone on the Nets board proposed the actual trade that went down on the Celtics forum that poster would have been trashed! Yet somehow it happened... some crazy ass deal that makes no sense when you compare talent did actually go down!

That happens all the time in the NBA. Somehow some fans don't realise that you're not trading talent... you're trading contracts and dollars.

Why would Boston trade Rondo? Cause they're tanking and he's likely to hinder that! Do they want studs in return for him? I doubt it.... because any stud they bring in also hinders the tanking job.

They want expiring contracts, young prospects and picks...

And we simply don't have any (many) future picks to offer unless they wanna take a first in 2017 and 2019

Stuckey + Knight + 2017 lotto protected first + 2019 lotto protected first...

Expiring + young player + picks.

You ain't getting Drummond or Monroe... if Joe does trade either of them I'd be very surprised

zeebneeb · Post #12 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:19 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Boston traded KG and Pierce for what?

Spare parts, picks and a bad contract!

Now Celtic fans expect Detroit to pony up a "real" offer for Rondo? Why?

If anyone on the Nets board proposed the actual trade that went down on the Celtics forum that poster would have been trashed! Yet somehow it happened... some crazy ass deal that makes no sense when you compare talent did actually go down!

That happens all the time in the NBA. Somehow some fans don't realise that you're not trading talent... you're trading contracts and dollars.

Why would Boston trade Rondo? Cause they're tanking and he's likely to hinder that! Do they want studs in return for him? I doubt it.... because any stud they bring in also hinders the tanking job.

They want expiring contracts, young prospects and picks...

And we simply don't have any (many) future picks to offer unless they wanna take a first in 2017 and 2019

Stuckey + Knight + 2017 lotto protected first + 2019 lotto protected first...

Expiring + young player + picks.

You ain't getting Drummond or Monroe... if Joe does trade either of them I'd be very surprised

Boston fans are famous for not living in the real world. In fantasy land, they trade a broken leg, for the federal reserve.

Its almost as if they ignore the fact that Rondo has a horrific injury, that odds are, will not come back from 100%.

Trades that actually happen, are the ones no one sees coming, or almost always one team gets the "shaft" as viewed from their fanbase.

What are the Celtics right now? A crap team, with one asset. If you want to sit on that asset, and be a marginal to crap team for the next 5 years, be our guest. Have fun!

Pharaoh · Post #13 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:44 pm

IMO the Celtics would be better off dumping Rondo for whatever expirings or short contracts they can get IF they can get some youth and/or picks in the process.

I believe Celtic fans want the Pistons to give up a key piece so they can start to "build" something now. That isn't happening. Ainge and his staff are smarter than that.

IF they agreed to take Monroe: dude gets a massive extension next off-season... dude helps them win games... they'd be on the fast track to mediocrity within 3 years if they took Monroe.

IF they took Stuckey, Knight and 2 picks? Celtics immediately are worse.... they get a high lotto pick... Stuckey (among others) walks away in free agency... Celtics tank again in 2015... get another high pick...

now they'd have Green, Knight, 2 lotto picks, still have picks coming from the Nets and Pistons and still have plenty of cap space and youth/role players if they wish to trade.

IF they could hit a home run in consecutive drafts they're future isn't too shabby... but that's because Knight doesn't get them immediate wins. Monroe or Drummond improves them too much!

And right now if you're a Celtic fan you want to tank... you don't want anything to do with immediate wins... cause the "rebuilding on the fly" thing sucks! And Piston fans know that better than most

PistonPride · Post #14 » by **PistonPride** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:57 pm

Edit: posted in wrong place sorry

Ballboar · Post #15 » by **Ballboar** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:35 pm

Celtic Fans: Hope U keep Rondo! He's a Very Poor Free throw shooter for guard 62% Lifetime. And Just as Bad 3pt% of 24%.

zeebneeb · Post #16 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:39 pm

Pharaoh wrote:IMO the Celtics would be better off dumping Rondo for whatever expirings or short contracts they can get IF they can get some youth and/or picks in the process.

I believe Celtic fans want the Pistons to give up a key piece so they can start to "build" something now. That isn't happening. Ainge and his staff are smarter than that.

IF they agreed to take Monroe: dude gets a massive extension next off-season... dude helps them win games... they'd be on the fast track to mediocrity within 3 years if they took Monroe.

IF they took Stuckey, Knight and 2 picks? Celtics immediately are worse.... they get a high lotto pick... Stuckey (among others) walks away in free agency... Celtics tank again in 2015... get another high pick...

now they'd have Green, Knight, 2 lotto picks, still have picks coming from the Nets and Pistons and still have plenty of cap space and youth/role players if they wish to trade.

IF they could hit a home run in consecutive drafts they're future isn't too shabby... but that's because Knight doesn't get them immediate wins. Monroe or Drummond improves them too much!

And right now if you're a Celtic fan you want to tank... you don't want anything to do with immediate wins... cause the "rebuilding on the fly" thing sucks! And Piston fans know that better than most

That's exactly what sticks in my craw Pharaoh. Trying to build a winning team is tough, trying to build one on the fly is almost impossible. One wrong trade, and the whole things gets you stuck for YEARS in nightmareville. We Piston fans know this.

Starting from scratch, or maintaining is a HELL of a lot easier. Boston has one, one legit piece, and hes 27, with a bad injury, that he may never fully recover from. Outside looking in? Its time to dump, and start over. Holding onto Rondo, and trying to pry away some fantastic piece is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. EVER. Other teams in this league see Boston for what it is as well now, and Ainge can swallow his pride, and do what has to be done, or can turn it into a quagmire like Detroit did for years, and screw it all up.

If you look at it like that(Wich is absolutely the way Boston fans, and management should be)the deal Joe is offering is perfect to start over with.

That's why no one is banging on Bostons door with amazing deals for Rondo. They know a dead duck when they see one.

Take the deal, or suck for years.

TheSheriff · Post #17 » by **TheSheriff** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:46 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Boston traded KG and Pierce for what?

Spare parts, picks and a bad contract!

Now Celtic fans expect Detroit to pony up a "real" offer for Rondo? Why?

If anyone on the Nets board proposed the actual trade that went down on the Celtics forum that poster would have been trashed! Yet somehow it happened... some crazy ass deal that makes no sense when you compare talent did actually go down!

That happens all the time in the NBA. Somehow some fans don't realise that you're not trading talent... you're trading contracts and dollars.

Why would Boston trade Rondo? Cause they're tanking and he's likely to hinder that! Do they want studs in return for him? I doubt it.... because any stud they bring in also hinders the tanking job.

They want expiring contracts, young prospects and picks...

And we simply don't have any (many) future picks to offer unless they wanna take a first in 2017 and 2019

Stuckey + Knight + 2017 lotto protected first + 2019 lotto protected first...

Expiring + young player + picks.

You ain't getting Drummond or Monroe... if Joe does trade either of them I'd be very surprised

Boston traded a 35 year old and a 37 year old. Both are likely on their last contact and going to retire. Rondo is 27. If you want a good player in his prime you are going to need to give up high draft picks or young prospects.

Trading for Rondo is much more analogous to when Boston traded Al Jefferson to the T'Wolves for KG, or the Nets trade for Derron Williams (Derrick Favors), or the Knicks trade for Melo. Boston needs to get SOMETHING for Rondo more than cap flexibility. Boston cannot build through free agency: its not NYC, Miami, or LA.

They do not need to trade Rondo. They can simply sit him out for a while, lose a bunch, and take their chances with the draft lottery.

Pharaoh · Post #18 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:15 am

TheSheriff wrote:
Boston traded a 35 year old and a 37 year old. Both are likely on their last contact and going to retire. Rondo is 27. If you want a good player in his prime you are going to need to give up high draft picks or young prospects.

You fail to mention Rondo is coming off an ACL injury which impacts his value. "Character" issues have also come up relating to Rondo... just ask Ray Allen about that!

He's 27.... in his prime, coming off a major injury and has a red flag or 2... any team that parts with a stud under the age of 24 for him is IMO desperate or in complete "win-now" mode"

Trading for Rondo is much more analogous to when Boston traded Al Jefferson to the T'Wolves for KG, or the Nets trade for Derron Williams (Derrick Favors), or the Knicks trade for Melo. Boston needs to get SOMETHING for Rondo more than cap flexibility. Boston cannot build through free agency: its not NYC, Miami, or LA.

Twolves traded KG to rebuild.... Utah traded Deron to rebuild.... Denver got a great deal for Melo considering that was the only team they could trade him to!

Detroit is not rebuilding... we've rebuilt! Signing Smith, Billups, Datome, drafting K.C.P, Mitchell, Siva... already have Monroe, Drummond, Knight, Singler, Middleton, Jerebko... we're not rebuilding dude! It is not the same situation the Wolves faced, or the Jazz...

BOSTON is rebuilding.... you guys want the Jefferson or Favors in the deal. You guys think Drummond is that guy.... Detroit fans think Drummond is "more" than that...

I don't think anyone viewed Jefferson as potentially the best big man in the NBA within 3-5 years when the KG trade went down. Drummond gets that kind of praise!

Time will tell if it's accurate...

They do not need to trade Rondo. They can simply sit him out for a while, lose a bunch, and take their chances with the draft lottery.

That's right - you don't have to trade him. You can keep him and play him with all those scrubs and hope to hit a home run or 2 in the Lottery... then hope those kids adjust quickly. You could have another Big 3 in short order... if Rondo keeps his head screwed on right... or maybe he hates the losing... demands to be traded... or just acts like a clown and whines all the time.

It's up to Ainge to take that risk. I've got a lot of respect for the Boston Front Office... I think they'll play it smart.... but asking for Drummond isn't smart and IMO isn't gonna happen. You'd be better served looking elsewhere

TheSheriff · Post #19 » by **TheSheriff** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:51 am

Pharaoh wrote:Detroit is not rebuilding... we've rebuilt! Signing Smith, Billups, Datome, drafting K.C.P, Mitchell, Siva... already have Monroe, Drummond, Knight, Singler, Middleton, Jerebko... we're not rebuilding dude! It is not the same situation the Wolves faced, or the Jazz...

BOSTON is rebuilding.... you guys want the Jefferson or Favors in the deal. You guys think Drummond is that guy.... Detroit fans think Drummond is "more" than that...

I was talking about Boston being in the situation of the Jazz, T'Wolves, ect... NOT Detriot. Detroit is in the situation of Boston in 2007.

If you go back in look at the fan of any team that was giving up the promising young big, they all believe they are giving up a superstar potential player. People thought Al Jefferson was a superstar in the making.

vege · Post #20 » by **vege** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:59 am

Your arguments make no sense Pharaoh. Please stop. You usually make sense even when I disagree with you but the things you're writting in this thread are just painful to read.

Boston is not going to gift us Rondo just because you want them to and we are not going to gift Drummond or Monroe just because they want to.