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I haven't posted any trade ideas in a long ass time so here goes nothing...

I already posted this on the trade board but figured I would see what my fellow Piston fans thought. I know many will hate the idea of giving up Moose but I think this makes us better balanced and gets us to roster limit of 15 as well.

DET - SAS

Monroe/Jerebko/Singler/Middleton

for

Leonard/Green/Bonner

Pistons

Upside: Better balance and floor spacing plus one less year of Jerebko v Green. The defense would look even better IMO as the fit seems conducive to strengths and weaknesses.

Downside: We lose depth at the C position and would have to rely on Kravstov as the only back up.

Spurs

Upside: They get a big man that should fit great next to Duncan and eventually be his replacement when he retires. They get depth back at SG/SF plus a couple of young players on great contracts.

Downside: They get weaker at SF and get one more year of salary from Jerebko v Green.

END RESULT

Knight/Billups/Bynum/Siva
Green/KCP/Billups
Kawhi/DaTome/Mitchell
Smith/CV/Mitchell
Drummond/Kravstov

We would need to address our back up C issue down the road obviously but if worse comes to worse could go Small Ball and roll with Mitchell as the 2nd or 3rd C if need be.

It does balance the team but I would not trade Monroe for lesser parts and that's what Leonard and Green are.

I cant see the Spurs trading Leonard, he's almost as close to untouchable as Drummond.

This trade does make sense and does balance the roster but I think Leonard is just an elite 3 and D guy. He won't provide the play making Moose does either. The defense on the perimeter is negligible comparing smith and Kawhi. I think it comes down to offense and I think Moose has more value there.

I feel like we lose out more since Monroe arguably has more value.

But this has been one of the more reasonable trades I've seen around here though.

DCintheD wrote:I cant see the Spurs trading Leonard, he's almost as close to untouchable as Drummond.

That's ridiculous. Leonard is good and all but he is VASTLY overrated on realgm. He is a glorified 3D player. Again, I like Leonard but his value shouldn't be close to Monroe's let alone Drummonds.

At the same time, Green is more valuable to a team than kris, kyle and jonas combined. The fact you offer him and Bonner is too much for SA.


Leonard is good, but yes hes very overrated in terms of value. You wouldnt offer Monroe for Leonard if he were on the Wizards.

Both teams would be better off not doing this.

It's a tough call. Monroe carries a lot more value, but the trade does make a metric ton of sense from a purely basketball stand point.

If they could get a first round pick from SA as well, I might be too intrigued to turn it down.

DetroitPistons wrote:

DCintheD wrote:I cant see the Spurs trading Leonard, he's almost as close to untouchable as Drummond.

That's ridiculous. Leonard is good and all but he is VASTLY overrated on realgm. He is a glorified 3D player. Again, I like Leonard but his value shouldn't be close to Monroe's let alone Drummonds.

I agree

DetroitPistons wrote:

DCintheD wrote:I cant see the Spurs trading Leonard, he's almost as close to untouchable as Drummond.

That's ridiculous. Leonard is good and all but he is VASTLY overrated on realgm. He is a glorified 3D player. Again, I like Leonard but his value shouldn't be close to Monroe's let alone Drummonds.

Leonard is more than a "glorified 3D player". He is a very very good rebounder, can shoot, can drive to the basket and is an incredibly good defender. The only thing he can't do is shoot off the dribble. That's the biggest reason he is a notch below the top young wing talent in the league. He is still very young, however.

Leonard is a fantastic young player. He is close to Paul George talent level and has very similar skill set. George is more explosive, though.

Seriously?

You turn DOWN Greg Monroe for 2 of San Antonio's playoff-tested YOUNG starters?

Monroe, Singler, and Jerebko for Leonard and Green, I am in! I don't think San Antonio ever accepts though.

Then offer- Knight, Stuckey, Villanueva for Brandon Jennings(s&t), Ersan Ilyasova

C - Andre Drummond / Slava or FA or bad contract in trade
PF - Josh Smith / Ersan Ilyasova(a rebounding Villanueva) / Tony Mitchell
SF - Kawhi Leonard / Luigi Datome / Khris Middleton
PG - Brandon Jennings / Chauncey Billups / Peyton Siva
SG - Danny Green / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Green is nothing more than a role player. ALL he does is shoot. Stop acting like these guys are allstars just because they made it to the finals.

^Agree about Green but Leonard is awesome.

Would do this trade is a millisecond. I proposed Monroe for Leonard straight up before and I stand by it now. Detroit's defense, team athletic ability, and rebounding would be #1 in the NBA if they switched out Monroe for Leonard. Would be a great fit and you'd get an extra year before having to worry about re-upping with a big contract.

I dont think the value (in potential) of players eaualing out,I would rather try and do moose,knight,singler for chandler,lawson,and any one of their centers.We get a good pg and a real sf,then we can put smith were he is better suited at pf and we get a good backup center.Denver gets a good center,a pg on rookie contract with potential and singler.Dont know if denver would do it but one can dream lol

Congrats on a Monroe trade that doesn't make me puke. I'm not sure I'd do it because I really want to see our three headed front court in action. But I like Leonard. He's an all around really good player.

Leonard is only that good because of Popovich. I think people underrate the coach so much now because there are barely any legendary ones left. Look at Deron Williams and how he was with Sloan. That's another great example. Popovich would make Austin Daye look like a solid player. He's that good of a coach. I think Leonard is just a very solid starter. Someone like Gerald Wallace or Stephen Jackson. He'll do a great job if coached right. But put him on a bad team, then he won't. He'll just give you his all. He's no Star player. He's just very solid. A player like Tayshaun Prince for example.

Not sure why everyone wants to trade the only guy on our team that creates shots at an above average level for guys that aren't creators at all. What would the offense be? Knight and Bynum running back and forth around Drummond/Smith picks until they saw some daylight?

Here's the deal with the spurs: they have three guys that can manufacture good shots for themselves or others at very high efficiency. Give Pop credit for maximizing these three's skills-- the spurs make sure the role players fit around those three's skills and they run sets that work beautifully around their talents-- but the offense doesn't work very well without one of those three running it. I really like Kawhi and don't think he's 'just' a role player; Danny Green and Gary Neal are role players, Kawhi's defense, rebounding, finishing, versatility, etc make him a very complete player. But he's not a great creator or initiator, and we absolutely cannot afford to give away the only guy on our team who is.

last season...

Smith = 4.22 assists to 2.97 TOs = 1.42 to 1 ratio

Monroe = 3.47 assists to 2.89 TOs = 1.2 to 1 ratio

career...

Smith = 3.21 assists to 2.54 TOs 1.23 to 1 ratio


Monroe = 2.37 assists to 2.10 TOs = 1.13 to 1 ratio

finally an actual reasonable offer which seems to me would sound appealing to both sides.
i dont want to be a 'balanced team' though. i want to be a bigger, tougher, stronger team centered around the paint. i think being the same as every other team is only going to make us lose to the teams which are able to put 3 superstars together. we need a specific strength that may cause matchup problems to those standard/balanced teams, and those superstar teams. having monroe and drummond together gives us that. lets not break that up before its started.

knight/kcp/leonard/smith/drummond would be terrible in the half court, with no one who can get their own shot. monroe is really one of the only ones on the team right now that you can throw the ball to if the game slows right down.