Datome's Italian National Team games

[Italians in NBA]

Today Italy and GIGI had their first warm up game before of EuroBasket.


Italian NT played tonight its first game, in Trento against Georgia, but on Tuesday they learnt that Andrea Bargnani was not on the court. Bargnani has had to stop any training activity, as he contracted a respiratory system infection, has high fever and is undergoing therapy.

The Italian National Team, tonight won 85-69 against Sanikidze and friends.

In the first challenge of the Trentino Basketball Cup, Italy demolishes 85-69 (Belinelli 21, Datome 10) Georgia despite the heavy absence of Andrea Bargnani, stopped by a respiratory infection. Solid game of the "Azzurri", always masters of the match against Sanikidze and companions.

Encouraging performance, with the Pianigiani's boys who dominated the game against a team without the Bucks center Zaza Pachulia. It was very important the ability to run fast on the floor in a game in which Marco Belinelli and Datome were the best elements. In the game many italian players showed that they can contribute: good, in this regard, the debut of Travis Diener.
Italy ends the first two quarters ahead 38-28 and in the last period reaches even a 30 points lead and then gives several showtime's minutes to the fans in the PalaTrento Arena with 14 players entering in the game. Italy is promising, but it will be essential to recover Bargnani.
Thursday at 20:30 second challenge against Israel.

BOXSCORE
Italy-Georgia 85-69 (21-10, 38-28, 64-43)
Italy: Cavaliero (0/1), Mancinelli 4 (1/3, 0/1), Poeta 4 (2/2), Melli 6 (2/4, 0/1), Vitali 4 (1/3) , Cusin 1 (0/2), Datome 10 (5/6, 0/1), Diener 5 (0/2, 1/2), Rosselli 4 (2/2, 0/1), Magro, Cinciarini 8 (4/6, 0/1), Gigli DNP, Belinelli 21 (8/10, 1/2), Moraschini DNP, Gentile 8 (4/7, 0/1), Aradori 10 (2/3, 2/3) . Coach: Pianigiani
Georgia: Boisa, Tsintadze 12 (1/4, 2/5), Shermadini 18 (4/5), Markoishvili 7 (2/6, 1/6), Patsatsia 1 (0/1, 0/2), 14 Sanikidze (1/4, 2/3), Metreveli 2 (1/1), Tskitishvili 6 (1/3), Burjanadze 5 (0/3, 1/1), Lezhava 2 (1/1, 0/3), Pkhakadze 2 (1/1, 0/2), Zeller (0/2) by three. Coach: Kokoskov

http://www.gazzetta.it/Basket/Italia/07-08-2013/belinelli-italia-basket-20922270814.shtml

[Notanoob]

Cool, thanks for the information. Is there any way for us Americans to watch these games? Or is there perhaps a highlight video that is easy to watch?

[Italians in NBA]

Cool, thanks for the information. Is there any way for us Americans to watch these games? Or is there perhaps a highlight video that is easy to watch?

In my country (Italy) this link works:

Can't post streaming links
- ajaX

[Blkbrd671]

10 points? i find it hard to get hyped up about our back up SF. i wish detroit beat writers would come up with a good read about this guy

[Italians in NBA]

10 points? i find it hard to get hyped up about our back up SF. i wish detroit beat writers would come up with a good read about this guy

Second scorer in a game in wich 14 italian players were on the floor. It was an "official" training game vs a decent NT.

[Blkbrd671]

10 points? i find it hard to get hyped up about our back up SF. i wish detroit beat writers would come up with a good read about this guy

Second scorer in a game in wich 14 italian players were on the floor. It was an "official" training game vs a decent NT.

First off, i really don't think much of Euro basketball, i've seen a couple games and for the most part these "spectacular plays" imo are weak. Again 2nd leading scorer in a pick up game against a scrub team(to be honest) isn't impressive. i would expect it from a backup player, which Damonte is, and again its hard for me to get hyped up about backup players, especially when we have no good reads available about the kid

[Italians in NBA]

10 points? i find it hard to get hyped up about our back up SF. i wish detroit beat writers would come up with a good read about this guy

Second scorer in a game in wich 14 italian players were on the floor. It was an "official" training game vs a decent NT.

First off, i really don't think much of Euro basketball, i've seen a couple games and for the most part these "spectacular plays" imo are weak. Again 2nd leading scorer in a pick up game against a scrub team(to be honest) isn't impressive. i would expect it from a backup player, which Damonte is, and again its hard for me to get hyped up about backup players, especially when we have no good reads available about the kid

i really don't think much of Euro basketball

It seems just a little evidence of ignorance about worldwide basketball.

Last time Italy played vs USA it was a NO NBA players vs NBA USA Allstars game in Athens, Greece.

USA team: Iverson, Marbury, Wade, Boozer, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Okafor, Marion, Stoudemire, Duncan, Odom, Jefferso: an AMAZING TEAM, better than an allstar eastern or western conference team for sure!

Italy: Radulovic, Basile, Galanda, Soragna, Marconato, Pozzecco, Righetti, Rombaldoni, Bulleri, Mian, Chiacig, Garri: a POOR team made by NO NBA and unknown (in USA) PLAYERS.

Italy just schooled USA STARS: ITALIA 95 USA 78 (23-14, 41-35, 64-56)
ITALIA: Radulovic 3, Basile 25, Galanda 28, Soragna 3, Marconato, Pozzecco 11, Righetti 8, Rombaldoni 2, Bulleri 5, Mian, Chiacig 10, Garri. Coach: Recalcati
USA: Iverson 13, Marbury, Wade 4, Boozer 2, Anthony 19, James 5, Okafor, Marion 10, Stoudemire 4, Duncan 15, Odom 4, Jefferson 2. Coach: Brown

The NON NBA Italy won the silver Olympic medal losing the final vs the Ginobili's Argentina.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0i5AJXlko[/youtube]

The Italian #5 Basile won Euroleagues and could easily be a starter in the NBA for many years. He played in the best European teams winning everywhere. In this video you can see how the Pick's and Pop's techniques can be applyed on the floor. Basile is now 40 years old but still in perfect shape and playing in the Euroleague still scoring from the lockerrooms.
Please respect Ginobili, Sabonis, Dirk, Petrovic, Kukoc, Radja, Divac, Gasol, Gasol, Tony Parker, Bargnani, Gallinari, Calderon, Diamantidis, Navarro, Basile, Spanoulis and all the other euro players.

I remember to you that the best NBA guard (Kobe) learnt baskeball in Italy when he was a kid.

So, for sure, the best basketball players are in the NBA, but the unknown Pekovic, Sabonis and Ginobili were simply considered better than over 300 NBA players when they were playing in Europe. (And Gino was a second round pick )

Euro players that never were in the NBA could be now in the Naismith HALL of FAME without being GREAT basketball heroes? Just to say Oscar Schimdt (Brazil, but playing more than 10 years in Italy), Dino Meneghin (Italy) and Sergej Belov (Russia) were phenomenal players and are now in the hall of fame without playing a single minute in the NBA.

A current example of GREAT Euro basketball player who never was in the NBA is the Greek Diamantidis who won Euroleague's championships, Euroleague's MVP's title without playing a minute in the NBA. He could easily be the starting PG in 80% of the NBA's team. How can you say "i really don't think much of Euro basketball". Probably you have to say "I really don't know anything about Euro basketball".

[Blkbrd671]

i'm really sorry you took the time to look up all that data, but you really fighting a losing battle. US Div 1 basketball teams can compete with Euro basketball, as well as our NBADL. hence putting them on a lower tier than the nba. i really don't think anyone has Euro Basketball on par with the NBA.

Your argument seems to be that Euro's elite talent can compete with NBA elite talent there for Eurobball=NBA, which is a horrible and untrue analogy. One could argue that guys like Parker and Ginobli would have never become the players they are unless they played in the nba, so at that point are they really products of Eurobasketball or NBA? and the Kobe argument is really reaching.

Also keep in mind your referring to a game that was in 2004 , literally almost a decade ago

[Italians in NBA]

i'm really sorry you took the time to look up all that data, but you really fighting a losing battle. US Div 1 basketball teams can compete with Euro basketball, as well as our NBADL. hence putting them on a lower tier than the nba. i really don't think anyone has Euro Basketball on par with the NBA.

Your argument seems to be that Euro's elite talent can compete with NBA elite talent there for Eurobball=NBA, which is a horrible and untrue analogy. One could argue that guys like Parker and Ginobli would have never become the players they are unless they played in the nba, so at that point are they really products of Eurobasketball or NBA? and the Kobe argument is really reaching.

Also keep in mind your referring to a game that was in 2004 , literally almost a decade ago

US Div 1 basketball teams can compete with Euro basketball, as well as our NBADL

Is it a joke?

Every NBADL team cannot think to play with Barcelona, Milan, CSKA, Real Madrid, Tel Aviv, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, Efes, Siena and other Euroleague teams. Easily 100 - 60 games.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and CSKA won in friendly games vs great NBA teams. Every US Div 1 kids team could easily lose every game 120 - 60 with every Euro top team.

Some years ago I played with 2 friends of mine vs 3 North Carolina University basketball kids who were in Italy on hollyday. They considered themselves near to be unbeatable. We knew them in a village on a famous italian beach. The first my friend was simply the captain of Bologna, the team that won the Italian championship in that year, I was playing in Venice and the third was playing in Sardinia. We were older, better and smartest pro players. We played in the same team for many years, they were kids, good players, but kids. Maybe italian players can't jump (I could dunk only twice in a game during my entire career being 6-2 maybe 6-3 in the USA with shoes and 185lbs) but we can shoot, pass, dribble and score too. Why, in your opinion, all the italian NBA players can shoot the free throws with very good percentages? Belinelli, Bargnani and Gallo have a career percentage that's good. They can score from 3 too. If they are 7 footers it's not a problem. The new italian NBA guy Datome can score about .90 of his FTs and .40 of 3 points throws.

[jaredtyshaf]

I think the trend of of top tier Euro players will continue as basket grows in popularity over there. However there is a reason ALL the top Euro players are trying to get in the NBA, it is a better league with better athletes. I am all for intellegent, good passing, sharp shooting Europlayers and I certainly don't doubt their talents, but there just simply isn't as many good players across the pond ans there are here.

Also just because the best Euro players can "compete" with NBA teams etc doesn't mean your leages are at all comparable to the NBA. That's just like saying the MLS is on par European Futbol just because our allstars can compete with yours, its just simply not true at the moment.

[Blkbrd671]

i'm really sorry you took the time to look up all that data, but you really fighting a losing battle. US Div 1 basketball teams can compete with Euro basketball, as well as our NBADL. hence putting them on a lower tier than the nba. i really don't think anyone has Euro Basketball on par with the NBA.

Your argument seems to be that Euro's elite talent can compete with NBA elite talent there for Eurobball=NBA, which is a horrible and untrue analogy. One could argue that guys like Parker and Ginobli would have never become the players they are unless they played in the nba, so at that point are they really products of Eurobasketball or NBA? and the Kobe argument is really reaching.

Also keep in mind your referring to a game that was in 2004 , literally almost a decade ago

US Div 1 basketball teams can compete with Euro basketball, as well as our NBADL

Is it a joke?

Every NBADL team cannot think to play with Barcelona, Milan, CSKA, Real Madrid, Tel Aviv, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, Efes, Siena and other Euroleague teams. Easily 100 - 60 games.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and CSKA won in friendly games vs great NBA teams. Every US Div 1 kids team could easily lose every game 120 - 60 with every Euro top team.

Some years ago I played with 2 friends of mine vs 3 North Carolina University basketball kids who were in Italy on hollyday. They considered themselves near to be unbeatable. We knew them in a village on a famous italian beach. The first my friend was simply the captain of Bologna, the team that won the Italian championship in that year, I was playing in Venice and the third was playing in Sardinia. We were older, better and smartest pro players. We played in the same team for many years, they were kids, good players, but kids. Maybe italian players can't jump (I could dunk only twice in a game during my entire career being 6-2 maybe 6-3 in the USA with shoes and 185lbs) but we can shoot, pass, dribble and score too. Why, in your opinion, all the italian NBA players can shoot the free throws with very good percentages? Belinelli, Bargnani and Gallo have a career percentage that's good. They can score from 3 too. If they are 7 footers it's not a problem. The new italian NBA guy Datome can score about .90 of his FTs and .40 of 3 points throws.

I'll put it this way, guys that don't get drafted or guys trying out for the nba go to NBADL or Euroleague. The Euroleague is no where near on par with the NBA, which seems like your trying to indicate. the Euroleague and NBADL are glorified try outs for the NBA.

While this does not mean that the Euroleague is some scrub league, it does mean that the talent isn't quite up to par. and all the players that are, are playing in the nba just like the D-league.

That was a nice story and good for you that you had that experience. it really doesn't matter, though. Fact is that the NBA is the THE LEAGUE, fact is that Euroleague or NBADL are both viable options for undraftee's indicating that one isn't really that much better than the other.

NOW BACK TO THE DISCUSSION

Fact Damonte is probably going to be either our back up stretch 4 or backup 3. he shoots the ball well and he's reported good defender in Europe. he's a back up

[tmorgan]

Man, someone else needs to reply to this thread. This guy doesn't deserve the douche treatment you're giving him.

That said, some things mentioned here are valid. Euroleague basketball is top flight stuff, but certainly not NBA quality, primarily because of depth and athleticism. That said, star Euro players can be legit NBA players, even All-Stars, with experience. The main thing is, it's a very different game. Non-athletes (except bigs) rarely stick in the NBA, because they get horribly abused on defense. There are plenty of marginal athletes in Euroleagues who get by with a good shooting touch and zone defense. Zone just doesn't work in the NBA for long stretches because great athletes just tear up zones via offensive rebounds.

I love watching European basketball when I get the chance, though, because I enjoy good passing, shooting, and all around skill. Skill just isn't enough to cut it at the NBA level, though, so only a few guys in each league are legit NBA players.

Oh, and the Piston you keep referring to is DATOME, not Damonte. He's our player, fer chrissake, get it right. He's not going to be a star, and his defense is likely going to suck, but he can fill it up. I hope he gets a chance to carve out 15 minutes a night at the 3. I think he could be a really useful player when the frontcourt is Smith-Drummond, because they'll mask his weak defense and he'll pull his man way outside.

[Blkbrd671]

Man, someone else needs to reply to this thread. This guy doesn't deserve the douche treatment you're giving him.

That said, some things mentioned here are valid. Euroleague basketball is top flight stuff, but certainly not NBA quality, primarily because of depth and athleticism. That said, star Euro players can be legit NBA players, even All-Stars, with experience. The main thing is, it's a very different game. Non-athletes (except bigs) rarely stick in the NBA, because they get horribly abused on defense. There are plenty of marginal athletes in Euroleagues who get by with a good shooting touch and zone defense. Zone just doesn't work in the NBA for long stretches because great athletes just tear up zones via offensive rebounds.

I love watching European basketball when I get the chance, though, because I enjoy good passing, shooting, and all around skill. Skill just isn't enough to cut it at the NBA level, though, so only a few guys in each league are legit NBA players.

Oh, and the Piston you keep referring to is DATOME, not Damonte. He's our player, fer chrissake, get it right. He's not going to be a star, and his defense is likely going to suck, but he can fill it up. I hope he gets a chance to carve out 15 minutes a night at the 3. I think he could be a really useful player when the frontcourt is Smith-Drummond, because they'll mask his weak defense and he'll pull his man way outside.

so to summarize your post

i'm a douche, but you agree with everything i said that makes me a douche? which is Euroleague is not as good as nba, and datome is a backup. Good work , Good effort.

[Minas]

Thanks for the update. This thread should be renamed and used to update us on Datome's national team games.

[Blkbrd671]

Thanks for the update. This thread should be renamed and used to update us on Datome's national team games.

video's would be real nice

[Italians in NBA]

I think the trend of of top tier Euro players will continue as basket grows in popularity over there. However there is a reason ALL the top Euro players are trying to get in the NBA, it is a better league with better athletes. I am all for intellegent, good passing, sharp shooting Europlayers and I certainly don't doubt their talents, but there just simply isn't as many good players across the pond ans there are here.

Also just because the best Euro players can "compete" with NBA teams etc doesn't mean your leages are at all comparable to the NBA. That's just like saying the MLS is on par European Futbol just because our allstars can compete with yours, its just simply not true at the moment.

NBA is by far the best worldwide league. Best players and athletes coming from all over the world. Everybody in Europe think so and we love the NBA so much.

But I was just saying that's simply ridicoulous to compare the NBA's D-League either the NCAA top teams with the Euroleague. In the top 16 Euroteams you can find many well refined pro-players that played, could play or are going to play in the NBA having an inportant role.

Back to DATOME (not Damonte please).
Here the link to the video of Italia vs Georgia

http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/media/ContentItem-909c0a8e-7c61-46e9-972d-3ef8e8a7687e-raisport.html#set=ContentSet-483ca271-b634-4490-bd1a-754ab54381e0&page=0

the post game Gigi's interview in wich he speaks about the positive game for the team and about his total happyness about his future in Detroit:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Basket/Italia/07 ... 0814.shtml

and tonight at 9.30 PM (italian time)
you can see Italia vs Israel

http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raisport/multimedia/2011/diretta.html?cid=ContentItem-6e538313-40e4-41c2-a869-1db4957e424e

[tmorgan]

so to summarize your post

i'm a douche, but you agree with everything i said that makes me a douche? which is Euroleague is not as good as nba, and datome is a backup. Good work , Good effort.

Not exactly.

You're being douche-y, which isn't the same thing as calling you a douche. Smart people do dumb things, for example.

Also, I didn't agree with everything you said. It's an inferior league, but not to the extent that you claimed. I'm not sure why you had to be so harsh with someone offering good information, and it bothered me, so I tried to state things in a slightly more acceptable form, accepting some of your premises, without crapping all over Italian League basketball. I get that what I did was also a bit rude, and thus hypocritical, but I felt it was necessary.

[HotelVitale]

I'm with tmorgan: Euroleague is a different type of game that's hard to compare to the NBA, and I don't think it's very hospitable to greet someone with relevant info by telling him how much his league sucks. There's not much going on now, Datome is as good a thing as any to follow.

Euroleague is odd too. For instance, Juan Carlos Navarro regularly plays even with Kobe and Carmelo when they play international games, but when he played in the NBA they didn't give him a ton of touches. He decided it wasn't worth trying to fight with guys like Rudy Gay for shots and turned down guaranteed NBA money to be a first option in Europe. He wasn't going to be a star in the NBA but he can play even with NBA stars. It's weird.

There are also lots of guys who peaked later in their careers--like when they were 24 or 25--and became really impressive, super-skilled Euro players who were too old to get NBA attention. Again, I'm not saying that these guys are as good as NBA players, but they could hang with them and learn different skill sets.

That said, there aren't many current Euros who could come to the NBA and make a big impact. Euros tend not to play much one on one--mostly because they're not very good at it--and most are slower and smaller than NBA guys. But Euro coaches make sure that you don't see the court until you got your fundamentals down.

[Dirtgrain]

But I was just saying that's simply ridicoulous to compare the NBA's D-League either the NCAA top teams with the Euroleague. In the top 16 Euroteams you can find many well refined pro-players that played, could play or are going to play in the NBA having an inportant role.

I agree. Great players have come out of European leagues, and the standard of play has increased a lot over the last few decades. Some people are just not up-to-date in their knowledge.

Your posts here are appreciated by me, and I think by others (we have many-page threads about summer league games, for crying out loud). I like to learn about Datome and then speculate about what his role and success will be with the Pistons.

[Dirtgrain]

That said, there aren't many current Euros who could come to the NBA and make a big impact. Euros tend not to play much one on one--mostly because they're not very good at it--and most are slower and smaller than NBA guys. But Euro coaches make sure that you don't see the court until you got your fundamentals down.

But how many European-league players are already in the NBA?