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This summer (unlike past summers) teams with cap room did not mess around much with RFA's they knew they had no chance of signing. Pekovic ended up settling on a 5 year-60 mil deal with an additional $8 mil in incentives. Should the Pistons approach Monroe now with a similar deal?

No, I think we should allow the market to decide Monroe's worth. I'm prepared to offer Monroe a big time deal though, I wouldn't be surprised if a team offered Monroe close to max money.

12mil per year for Monroe would be an absolute steal. Pek had very similar stats to Monroe but I think Monroe definitely has more value due to his playmaking ability and being able to be a go-to low post player. If Monroe improves next year, which I think is highly likely, I see him getting the max or close to it.

Moose will get a Max contract

I'll give the max. No need to squabble over a few mill when its negligible cap space

I'd settle for 12 mil a year if we have to. If he really plays insane this season, then I would totally throw him the max.

The whole point to extending him before the offseason would be to get a discount and show him we value him as a core member. I hope we extend him before the off season.

No guys like favors, and cousins will

MrBigShot wrote:The whole point to extending him before the offseason would be to get a discount and show him we value him as a core member. I hope we extend him before the off season.

Falk has already said Monroe would test the market next summer.

I can defiantly see the Blazers offersheeting Monroe. They offersheeted Hibbert last year, and they tried offersheeting Splitter this offseason.

Just because a team offers Monroe an offersheet doesn't mean we have to match though. He still has to sign the offersheet first. If he wants to stay here why would he sign another teams offersheet? If he doesn't want to stay here then we should just trade him mid-season before it comes to that. I might be open to giving him the max if he's 100% committed to us, but if hhe half wants to go somewhere else, probably not a good idea to match anyways. We don't need to give max contracts to players who don't want to be here, just to retain their rights. Sounds like a mess waiting to happen.

Q00 wrote:Just because a team offers Monroe an offersheet doesn't mean we have to match though. He still has to sign the offersheet first. If he wants to stay here why would he sign another teams offersheet? If he doesn't want to stay here then we should just trade him mid-season before it comes to that.

Lets be real that isn't how most situations work out. Most players aren't like Carmelo or Dwight and publicly say that they want to go to some other destination, especially a player of Monroe's caliber (not exactly elite.) More likely is that Monroe will wait out the regular season by saying that he loves being on the Pistons and would like to return. That may be true and all, but probably only if Detroit offers the most money possible. If he gets more money from somewhere else, he's going to take that offer.

Since this was edited in I should respond to this too

Q00 wrote:I might be open to giving him the max if he's 100% committed to us, but if hhe half wants to go somewhere else, probably not a good idea to match anyways. We don't need to give max contracts to players who don't want to be here, just to retain their rights. Sounds like a mess waiting to happen.

Just because a player signs a max contract with another team does not mean that they don't want to stay with their current team. Now if both teams were offering the max and Monroe still chose the other team then you'd have a point, but by the looks of it the Pistons are going to let Monroe explore the open market and match that deal. Monroe isn't "wanting out" for trying to get a max deal with another team if we don't offer him max money, he's being smart.

This is the genius of the Smith signing. Currently if Moose wanted the max, i wouldn't pay it, Matter fact i see very little that moose could do this year that would command the max. However i do see a desperate team or a "outsmart himself" GM that would offer moose the max and he'd be a idiot not to take it. Smiths ability to play the PF position, allows us to immediately fill that whole with allstar talent as well leverage in the dealings and sign and trade

It's certainly going to be something that Monroe's agent is going to bring up. But, I believe 58 million is the max extension you can receive coming off a rookie contract.

If Joe can resign him at 12-13 million per season, it would be ideal. If Moose comes out this year and nails that 15-17 foot jumper at around 50%, and shows he can be a committed defender, and Drummond doesn't improve by the leaps and bounds that 95% of this board has already assured us that he will, Monroe's play could convince Dumars to go all-in on a 5-year max deal like Johnny Wall just signed.

DBB just posted an article comparing Moose and Pek's production. They're very similar. So, it's going to be relevant.

Moose is better than Pekovic in every facet of the game- he is a better rebounder, passer and scorer and is also 4 years younger. So yeah- Moose is going to get paid. Im unsure why people think he can be had for 12 per. If we dont offer him the max- Washington will.

Wall/Beal/Porter/Monroe

Q00 wrote:Just because a team offers Monroe an offersheet doesn't mean we have to match though.

I would say we have to match no matter the cost. Letting an asset like Moose leave for nothing in return would be bad business. Match him and if need be... trade him later. That way we at least get something out of it.

rock digger wrote:

Q00 wrote:Just because a team offers Monroe an offersheet doesn't mean we have to match though. He still has to sign the offersheet first. If he wants to stay here why would he sign another teams offersheet? If he doesn't want to stay here then we should just trade him mid-season before it comes to that.

Lets be real that isn't how most situations work out. Most players aren't like Carmelo or Dwight and publicly say that they want to go to some other destination, especially a player of Monroe's caliber (not exactly elite.) More likely is that Monroe will wait out the regular season by saying that he loves being on the Pistons and would like to return. That may be true and all, but probably only if Detroit offers the most money possible. If he gets more money from somewhere else, he's going to take that offer.

If we're being real, Joe isn't going to let Monroe play him like that. He will know ahead of time how much he's willing to spend on Moose. He's not just going to wait and let some other team outbid him and steal Monroe for nothing. He will likely have ongoing discussions with his agent all season, and will have a very good idea where both sides are at. If he doesn't plan to give him the max, and is worried Monroe will leave for more money, then he will just trade him before then. Monroe can say he wants to stay, at which point Joe will tell him to prove it and sign an extension. If he then says I want to wait, then its obvious he doesn't really want to stay, and then Joe trades him.

Q00 wrote:

rock digger wrote:

Q00 wrote:Just because a team offers Monroe an offersheet doesn't mean we have to match though. He still has to sign the offersheet first. If he wants to stay here why would he sign another teams offersheet? If he doesn't want to stay here then we should just trade him mid-season before it comes to that.

Lets be real that isn't how most situations work out. Most players aren't like Carmelo or Dwight and publicly say that they want to go to some other destination, especially a player of Monroe's caliber (not exactly elite.) More likely is that Monroe will wait out the regular season by saying that he loves being on the Pistons and would like to return. That may be true and all, but probably only if Detroit offers the most money possible. If he gets more money from somewhere else, he's going to take that offer.

If we're being real, Joe isn't going to let Monroe play him like that. He will know ahead of time how much he's willing to spend on Moose. He's not just going to wait and let some other team outbid him and steal Monroe for nothing. He will likely have ongoing discussions with his agent all season, and will have a very good idea where both sides are at. If he doesn't plan to give him the max, and is worried Monroe will leave for more money, then he will just trade him before then. Monroe can say he wants to stay, at which point Joe will tell him to prove it and sign an extension. If he then says I want to wait, then its obvious he doesn't really want to stay, and then Joe trades him.

Seeing as how Monroe wants to test the free agent market and not talk about an extension mid-season, I guess we're out one Greg Monroe by your thought process!

Monroe isn't going to settle for a 12-14 million extension when there are legitimate questions as to whether or not he can get the max from some random team, so yep, buh-bye Monroe, thanks for your hard work.

rock digger wrote:Since this was edited in I should respond to this too

Q00 wrote:I might be open to giving him the max if he's 100% committed to us, but if hhe half wants to go somewhere else, probably not a good idea to match anyways. We don't need to give max contracts to players who don't want to be here, just to retain their rights. Sounds like a mess waiting to happen.

Just because a player signs a max contract with another team does not mean that they don't want to stay with their current team. Now if both teams were offering the max and Monroe still chose the other team then you'd have a point, but by the looks of it the Pistons are going to let Monroe explore the open market and match that deal. Monroe isn't "wanting out" for trying to get a max deal with another team if we don't offer him max money, he's being smart.

Its actually not that smart if he signs an offer sheet with another team, (if he doesn't really want to play for that team) just to try and get us to up our offer. Its very possible we don't match and then he's forced to move somewhere he didn't want to for the next 4-5 years. That's why I said its not guaranteed he signs an offersheet just because its offered to him. He may want to stay here, and if he knows Joe isn't going to match the price, he's not going to sign it. If he doesn't want to stay here for the price we offer, then Joe will find out ahead of time and trade him.

r0cd0gg wrote:

Q00 wrote:Just because a team offers Monroe an offersheet doesn't mean we have to match though.

I would say we have to match no matter the cost. Letting an asset like Moose leave for nothing in return would be bad business. Match him and if need be... trade him later. That way we at least get something out of it.

I meant we wouldn't have to match because it wouldn't be guaranteed that Monroe signs the offer sheet, in the event he didn't want to play for that team.