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Good news for Drummond and Pistons fans alike. The more Sheed can impart upon Dre, the better.

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At the joint?

If Drummond has plays run for him, and he starts to let loose with jumpers, power moves at the rim, and hooks, he could be devastating on both ends of the floor. His defense, help side changes games like Bens did. His size allows him to muscle people further out from their comfort zone. If he utilizes that on the offensive end, watch out.

I basically look at it like this; Drummond, could be, a bigger Ben Wallace, with offensive skills. Think about that for a second. If Big Ben had averaged 15-20ppg to go with his defense, he would be considered one of the all time greats. As is hes considered one of the all time best defenders.

I really think Drummond could have a really nice offensive game, and average just that, 15-20ppg, or more. I have seen him in practice, and in collage, and other places, have an offensive game, it is not alien to him, like it was Ben. He also has big ass hands, with a soft touch.

I don't know. I expect a lot from him this year, so much so I fully expect him to disappoint. It is really nice to see Rasheed, who I consider one of the most talented bigmen to ever play the game, show him some things. We'll see.

If Drummond shows major improvement on offense this year, I could name 7 GM's who will be throwing up in their mouths at the knowledge that they drafted someone else when they coulda shoulda had Dre'.

Unless Drummond becomes at least a 60% FT shooter he won't be able to be on the floor in crunch time unless we plan to play 4-on-5 offensively.

Brapman wrote:If Drummond shows major improvement on offense this year, I could name 7 GM's who will be throwing up in their mouths at the knowledge that they drafted someone else when they coulda shoulda had Dre'.

Hope they start calling him "the pink slip" for those that passed on him.

Dirtgrain wrote:At the joint?

Well played

zeebneeb wrote:If Drummond has plays run for him, and he starts to let loose with jumpers, power moves at the rim, and hooks, he could be devastating on both ends of the floor. His defense, help side changes games like Bens did. His size allows him to muscle people further out from their comfort zone. If he utilizes that on the offensive end, watch out.

I basically look at it like this; Drummond, could be, a bigger Ben Wallace, with offensive skills. Think about that for a second. If Big Ben had averaged 15-20ppg to go with his defense, he would be considered one of the all time greats. As is hes considered one of the all time best defenders.

I really think Drummond could have a really nice offensive game, and average just that, 15-20ppg, or more. I have seen him in practice, and in collage, and other places, have an offensive game, it is not alien to him, like it was Ben. He also has big ass hands, with a soft touch.

I don't know. I expect a lot from him this year, so much so I fully expect him to disappoint. It is really nice to see Rasheed, who I consider one of the most talented bigmen to ever play the game, show him some things. We'll see.

I see what you are saying, but how good can those jumpers be when he shoots his free theows at 37 percent?

Probably pretty bad.

beau wrote:

zeebneeb wrote:If Drummond has plays run for him, and he starts to let loose with jumpers, power moves at the rim, and hooks, he could be devastating on both ends of the floor. His defense, help side changes games like Bens did. His size allows him to muscle people further out from their comfort zone. If he utilizes that on the offensive end, watch out.

I basically look at it like this; Drummond, could be, a bigger Ben Wallace, with offensive skills. Think about that for a second. If Big Ben had averaged 15-20ppg to go with his defense, he would be considered one of the all time greats. As is hes considered one of the all time best defenders.

I really think Drummond could have a really nice offensive game, and average just that, 15-20ppg, or more. I have seen him in practice, and in collage, and other places, have an offensive game, it is not alien to him, like it was Ben. He also has big ass hands, with a soft touch.

I don't know. I expect a lot from him this year, so much so I fully expect him to disappoint. It is really nice to see Rasheed, who I consider one of the most talented bigmen to ever play the game, show him some things. We'll see.

I see what you are saying, but how good can those jumpers be when he shoots his free theows at 37 percent?

Probably pretty bad.

Players free throw shooting percentages from a standstill often don't correlate with their jump shooting percentages though.

need4detroit wrote:

beau wrote:

zeebneeb wrote:If Drummond has plays run for him, and he starts to let loose with jumpers, power moves at the rim, and hooks, he could be devastating on both ends of the floor. His defense, help side changes games like Bens did. His size allows him to muscle people further out from their comfort zone. If he utilizes that on the offensive end, watch out.

I basically look at it like this; Drummond, could be, a bigger Ben Wallace, with offensive skills. Think about that for a second. If Big Ben had averaged 15-20ppg to go with his defense, he would be considered one of the all time greats. As is hes considered one of the all time best defenders.

I really think Drummond could have a really nice offensive game, and average just that, 15-20ppg, or more. I have seen him in practice, and in collage, and other places, have an offensive game, it is not alien to him, like it was Ben. He also has big ass hands, with a soft touch.

I don't know. I expect a lot from him this year, so much so I fully expect him to disappoint. It is really nice to see Rasheed, who I consider one of the most talented bigmen to ever play the game, show him some things. We'll see.

I see what you are saying, but how good can those jumpers be when he shoots his free theows at 37 percent?

Probably pretty bad.

Players free throw shooting percentages from a standstill often don't correlate with their jump shooting percentages though.

Show me one good jump shooter that shoots less than 50 percent from the line.

beau wrote:

need4detroit wrote:

beau wrote:
I see what you are saying, but how good can those jumpers be when he shoots his free theows at 37 percent?

Probably pretty bad.

Players free throw shooting percentages from a standstill often don't correlate with their jump shooting percentages though.

Show me one good jump shooter that shoots less than 50 percent from the line.

Good point.

beau wrote:Show me one good jump shooter that shoots less than 50 percent from the line.

Darko Milicic, in his own mind.

I honestly think Sheed's gonna have a substantial positive impact on our bigs. I know everyone had very high regard for Rodgers as a big man coach, but it really seems Sheed is literally hands-on on the regular with Dre. and Langlois tweeted a pic of him working in the post with Smoove. Sheed has a massive bball IQ and probably a ton of little intangible nuances to pass on to these young guys.

beau wrote:

need4detroit wrote:

beau wrote:
I see what you are saying, but how good can those jumpers be when he shoots his free theows at 37 percent?

Probably pretty bad.

Players free throw shooting percentages from a standstill often don't correlate with their jump shooting percentages though.

Show me one good jump shooter that shoots less than 50 percent from the line.

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josh smith shot 30% from 3 last year (ok not great) and shot 52% from the line.


actually thinking about it now, it's gonna be a rough season for free throw shooting. Monroe under 70%, smith under 55% and Drummond under 40%? good thing guys like billups, Bynum Jennings and stuckey are all good free throw shooters, although I doubt they will go there that often to offset all the potential bricks...

whitehops wrote:josh smith shot 30% from 3 last year (ok not great) and shot 52% from the line.


actually thinking about it now, it's gonna be a rough season for free throw shooting. Monroe under 70%, smith under 55% and Drummond under 40%? good thing guys like billups, Bynum Jennings and stuckey are all good free throw shooters, although I doubt they will go there that often to offset all the potential bricks...

While I agree with you about the FT percentages, Smith's percentages last season were an anomaly. He's never come anywhere near that low of a FT% so there's no reason to believe that his % wouldn't come back up to somewhere around his career average of 65%. He's even had a few seasons where he's shot in the low 70s. And while I won't expect him to shoot that well I'd be very surprised if he was in the 50s again.

Natopher wrote:While I agree with you about the FT percentages, Smith's percentages last season were an anomaly. He's never come anywhere near that low of a FT% so there's no reason to believe that his % wouldn't come back up to somewhere around his career average of 65%. He's even had a few seasons where he's shot in the low 70s. And while I won't expect him to shoot that well I'd be very surprised if he was in the 50s again.

I wouldn't call it an anomaly, smith has been all over the map. his last six seasons have been:

.710
.588
.618
.725
.630
.517


so yeah he has been incredibly inconsistent and his percentage has plummeted the last three years.

whitehops wrote:

Natopher wrote:While I agree with you about the FT percentages, Smith's percentages last season were an anomaly. He's never come anywhere near that low of a FT% so there's no reason to believe that his % wouldn't come back up to somewhere around his career average of 65%. He's even had a few seasons where he's shot in the low 70s. And while I won't expect him to shoot that well I'd be very surprised if he was in the 50s again.

I wouldn't call it an anomaly, smith has been all over the map. his last six seasons have been:

.710
.588
.618
.725
.630
.517


so yeah he has been incredibly inconsistent and his percentage has plummeted the last three years.

51% when through 9 years of your career you've been a 65.4% shooter is absolutely an anomaly. I'm not saying he's elite or even a 70% shooter, I'm just saying that the odds are far better he'll be a 65% shooter than a 51%.

Natopher wrote:

whitehops wrote:

Natopher wrote:While I agree with you about the FT percentages, Smith's percentages last season were an anomaly. He's never come anywhere near that low of a FT% so there's no reason to believe that his % wouldn't come back up to somewhere around his career average of 65%. He's even had a few seasons where he's shot in the low 70s. And while I won't expect him to shoot that well I'd be very surprised if he was in the 50s again.

I wouldn't call it an anomaly, smith has been all over the map. his last six seasons have been:

.710
.588
.618
.725
.630
.517


so yeah he has been incredibly inconsistent and his percentage has plummeted the last three years.

51% when through 9 years of your career you've been a 65.4% shooter is absolutely an anomaly. I'm not saying he's elite or even a 70% shooter, I'm just saying that the odds are far better he'll be a 65% shooter than a 51%.

The standard deviation on his percentages from season to season hardly says that's an anomaly.