Josh Smith Shoots Too Many 3s, Because

[pistontr]

he has to.

[BadMofoPimp]

He Can!

[GooseDiddy]

Too MANY 3s.


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[Snakebites]

There were some instances where he was undeniably forced to, but there were also some unnecessary ones in there as well.

[menten]

who else is gonna shoot them? bynum cant shoot, well all know rodney sure as **** cant shoot, billups is done, singler and KCP dont play alot. so who the hell is supposed to take these shots?

[whitehops]

who else is gonna shoot them? bynum cant shoot, well all know rodney sure as **** cant shoot, billups is done, singler and KCP dont play alot. so who the hell is supposed to take these shots?

Jennings is your man.

[ImHeisenberg]

There's no excuse to shoot 10+ 3's when they're clanging off the rim like that. What was he? 2-10, 3-11? Atrocious.

I loved just about everything else he did out there. His defense was outstanding.

We've pretty much adopted the Atlanta Hawks fan base's mindset on him.

[Snakebites]

The concern when we signed him was that he's a guy who naturally wants to take more mid-long range shots than he probably should and that our spacing would further exacerbate the problem by putting him in more situations where shooting appears to be a good option.

We saw both things happening last night. He took many shots he shouldn't have and was also forced into situations where shooting was the only real alternative because the Grizzlies knew they didn't have to respect his shot or anyone else's.

We still managed to muster a halfway decent offensive outing, though. Defense sucked.

[Kyrama]

who else is gonna shoot them? bynum cant shoot, well all know rodney sure as **** cant shoot, billups is done, singler and KCP dont play alot. so who the hell is supposed to take these shots?

Just because nobody else is capable of it doesn't mean he should. He's clearly not capable either.

[dan2314]

he has suprised me with how many he can actually hit. it wasnt his night shooting the ball in this game, and at some point during a game like that you have to give it up, thats the problem. going forward i have no problem with him shooting 5 of them because he has shown me he can make 2 or 3 of them, but you just cant shoot 11 of them when youve made 2 (the third make was on his 11th attempt). he seems to shoot them better than igoudala though, which is someone we wanted in the offseason because he apparently has a better jumpshot.. im not so sure.
jennings replacing bynum obviously has to help with this, and eventually pope is going to get decent minutes and be able to make most of his shots. billups hopefully doesnt go 1 for 5 too often either.
this was always going to be the problem with being a big team, but the way we have been pounding it inside has been great, and i think we take the bad for all the good that the teams been doing so far.

[uncleoswald]

i feel like we needed him, or someone like him, on the floor with monroe and drummond in order to free up the passing lanes inside against washington on wednesday. if smith is respected from deep, it really frees up the two big guys down low, and we're at our best with the big three passing amongst themselves, right now. when jennings comes back, our best offense should be more diverse.

[joseph mamah]

because hes dumber than a box of rocks.

[Q00]

billups is done

Damn that was a fast decline. Goes from shooting 4-5 from three and player of the game on Wednesday, to going 1-5 and career now over by Friday.

[Q00]

....On Smith's 3's, some of you are missing the point. Somebody has to take 3's for us, especially against a great defensive frontcourt like Memphis who is going to make it difficult to consistently score in the paint.

So looking at the rotation we've been forced to play, where are the 3 point shooters? Billups, Singler, KCP, and Smith.

KCP has been awful from 3, so you don't want him taking more than 1 or 2. Singler has been decent but you don't want him taking a ton of shots regardless of where they are from. Billups has been great, but Memphis obviously knows that too, and is going to put the best perimeter defender in the league in Tony Allen on him to make sure he's not getting any clean looks. So that leaves Smith, who has been one of our best 3 point shooters this year, and if they are going to leave open one of our best 3 point shooters and we have no other options, then he has to take them, because someone has to.

Once Jennings and Datome get back, a lot of those three's Smith has been taking out of necessity will be spread to those guys. Its not that difficult to see that, but apparently is for some...

Not to mention we would've won the game by 1 in regulation because of one of those 3's from Smith, if Billups had not missed that free throw at the end. So to blame a loss on his 3's doesn't make a whole lot of sense, considering if not for his 3 we would not have even been in position to win that game.

[Snakebites]

There is no circumstance in which a career 28% 3pt shooter "needs" to be shooting threes unless he's stuck out there and there is literally no time left on the clock. If people are implying otherwise in this thread they need to stop.

There were a couple like that that definitely fell under that category last night, but most of them were not.

[need4detroit]

Does Josh Smith have to take some threes? Yes.
Does Josh smith have to take 11 threes? No.

[Q00]

There is no circumstance in which a career 28% 3pt shooter "needs" to be shooting threes unless he's stuck out there and there is literally no time left on the clock. If people are implying otherwise in this thread they need to stop.

There were a couple like that that definitely fell under that category last night, but most of them were not.

That's not true at all. When you are playing a great paint defense, you DO NEED to take a good amount of three's as a team, as there just aren't going to be lanes to the basket or clear post-up opportunities every time on offense. I thought they did a very good job as a team of forcing their way into the paint as much as possible, but eventually you have to take outside shots too, and not just hail mary's at the end of the clock.

So if not Smith taking them (who btw has been a 41% 3pt shooter this year, not 28) then who?

Based on how Singler and KCP have been shooting, I'll take Smith on those shots over those two all day right now, and was glad he was taking them yesterday. Normally, I'd want Billups taking more, so one guy doesn't have to shoot them all, but when they got Tony Allen on him, its not so easy to get him clean looks, and I'd rather a guy who is wide open and shooting 41% this year take them, than a guy forcing contested shots while being harrassed by the best perimeter defender in the league. So you got to consider the circumstances of the game and injury situation. Its not as black and white as just strictly numbers. Every game takes on a different life, and some call some guys to shoot more than others that game. Scoring/shooting was not the problem yesterday, as we scored 108 pts on 47% FG. We made some key errors down the stretch, Billups missed FT, Monroe fouling Gasol for an And1, and Dre interferring with a basket, none of which were committed by Smith, and none of which had anything to do with his three point FGA's. So just stop.

[Q00]

Does Josh Smith have to take some threes? Yes.
Does Josh smith have to take 11 threes? No.

Did he technically have to take that many three's?

no, we could've forced another highly contested shot in the paint or committed another turnover inside instead...

People need to stop with thinking if a guy didn't take such and such shot, it would've automatically resulted in a made basket by someone else instead. That's not guaranteed, so when you get an open shot you take it. A lot of times those so-called 'bad shots' are taken after consective failed attempts to force your way into the paint on previous posessions. So which is really the 'bad' shot at that point? Forcing another attempt to get in the paint, after the last few resulted in turnovers and blocked shots, or getting a clean open look on the perimeter and taking advantage of it?

In those situations, a lot of times the so-called 'bad' perimeter shot IS the better shot. Its like in football, if you run 5 straight times to no success, you have to call a few pass plays, even if they result in nothing either, it increases your chance of successful run play the next time you call it. You can't be one-dimensional.

[Snakebites]

There is no circumstance in which a career 28% 3pt shooter "needs" to be shooting threes unless he's stuck out there and there is literally no time left on the clock. If people are implying otherwise in this thread they need to stop.

There were a couple like that that definitely fell under that category last night, but most of them were not.

That's not true at all. When you are playing a great paint defense, you DO NEED to take a good amount of three's as a team, as there just aren't going to be lanes to the basket or clear post-up opportunities every time on offense. I thought they did a very good job as a team of forcing their way into the paint as much as possible, but eventually you have to take outside shots too, and not just hail mary's at the end of the clock.

So if not Smith taking them (who btw has been a 41% 3pt shooter this year, not 28) then who?

Based on how Singler and KCP have been shooting, I'll take Smith on those shots over those two all day right now, and was glad he was taking them yesterday. Normally, I'd want Billups taking more, so one guy doesn't have to shoot them all, but when they got Tony Allen on him, its not so easy to get him clean looks, and I'd rather a guy who is wide open and shooting 41% this year take them, than a guy forcing contested shots while being harrassed by the best perimeter defender in the league. So you got to consider the circumstances of the game and injury situation. Its not as black and white as just strictly numbers. Every game takes on a different life, and some call some guys to shoot more than others that game. Scoring/shooting was not the problem yesterday, as we scored 108 pts on 47% FG. We made some key errors down the stretch, Billups missed FT, Monroe fouling Gasol for an And1, and Dre interferring with a basket, none of which were committed by Smith, and none of which had anything to do with his three point FGA's. So just stop.

The fact that you need to have GOOD outside shooters to win against a good interior defense is all you have demonstrated with your arguments.

The fact that we don't have one is NOT a good argument for a career 28% shooter taking shots.

[Jackattaq]

There is no circumstance in which a career 28% 3pt shooter "needs" to be shooting threes unless he's stuck out there and there is literally no time left on the clock. If people are implying otherwise in this thread they need to stop.

There were a couple like that that definitely fell under that category last night, but most of them were not.

That's not true at all. When you are playing a great paint defense, you DO NEED to take a good amount of three's as a team, as there just aren't going to be lanes to the basket or clear post-up opportunities every time on offense. I thought they did a very good job as a team of forcing their way into the paint as much as possible, but eventually you have to take outside shots too, and not just hail mary's at the end of the clock.

So if not Smith taking them (who btw has been a 41% 3pt shooter this year, not 28) then who?

Based on how Singler and KCP have been shooting, I'll take Smith on those shots over those two all day right now, and was glad he was taking them yesterday. Normally, I'd want Billups taking more, so one guy doesn't have to shoot them all, but when they got Tony Allen on him, its not so easy to get him clean looks, and I'd rather a guy who is wide open and shooting 41% this year take them, than a guy forcing contested shots while being harrassed by the best perimeter defender in the league. So you got to consider the circumstances of the game and injury situation. Its not as black and white as just strictly numbers. Every game takes on a different life, and some call some guys to shoot more than others that game. Scoring/shooting was not the problem yesterday, as we scored 108 pts on 47% FG. We made some key errors down the stretch, Billups missed FT, Monroe fouling Gasol for an And1, and Dre interferring with a basket, none of which were committed by Smith, and none of which had anything to do with his three point FGA's. So just stop.

That was a charge and a bad call at that. REFS handed the Grizz a get back into the game on that 5 pts swing. Terrible call that changed the momentum.