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Thoughts on the current state of the Pistons. My beloved team in the only sport I care about...This team is pure **** garbage. Just a thoughtless ensemble of redundant talent lacking of any knowledge as to how to actually play a game. A puzzle with too many of the same pieces who happen to deceive its assembler with the occasional flashes of brilliance. I never imagined I'd think that Brandon Jennings would be a better signing than Josh Smith. But oh my goodness is it true. Despite all of his talents, Josh Smith is nothing more than a square peg trying to fill a round hole. 1.Trade Josh Smith while you can before he becomes the next BG/CV toxic wasteland. 2.Trade Greg Monroe for up and coming talent and picks as to avoid either losing him for nothing or paying him the max which he does not deserve but will demand. 3.Use Brandon Jennings as a place holder until something better comes along. 4.Build around Drummond and actually bring pieces that compliment him. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to keep BG and our pick, amnesty one of him or CV, and then draft Trey Burke? The hometown hero (and so-perfect-as-to-be-damn-near-divine-and-serendipitous) compliment to Drummond in a Pick-n-Roll offense. Have I been taking crazy pills? Does no one see this but me? At the very least Dumars isn't. Instead, we get to watch a team that is going to torment more than entertain. We're going to watch as we get swept out of the playoffs by a much superior team. We're going to watch as our only solace of the past couple of years, in terms of a potentially promising draft pick, is instead chosen by Charlotte. Just so we could assemble something as asinine as previously mentioned. Awesome. Signed, a fan that has watched way too many **** full 82 game seasons with a team that struggles to win 30 of them.

It's almost like everyone is always trying to play some sort of hero superstar basketball at some point in the game and by everyone I mean Smith and Jennings. When we do try to play fundamental basketball the right way on both sides we can't because everyone is playing out of positions. Our 3 bigs give us no advantage because we just get ripped apart defensively.

Smith and Cheeks are the only real issues with this team. Get a coach in here who knows defense and can develop our players defensively and we will be fine. Also, replace Smith with a SF who can knock down shots and is a good defender and we will be pretty good. Those two are the reasons why we suck.

I stopped at Draft Trey Burke

Please tell me all the ways in which KCP will be a better pro. If you're drafting for and talent AND need, what's the better option? Forget the Michigan connection even. If I'm in that position I try to choose a pick and Roll point guard every time.

MCW *trolling*

I feel you on your post. Something needs to be done and we could go a few different paths to improvement imo. I can't imagine a team with our talent performing worse than we have, so we can only go up if that statement is right.

Clarity wrote:I stopped at Draft Trey Burke

This. This. This.

I didn't know there were Burke fans left in this forum.

coolness wrote:MCW *trolling*

I feel you on your post. Something needs to be done and we could go a few different paths to improvement imo. I can't imagine a team with our talent performing worse than we have, so we can only go up if that statement is right.

I actually totally agree with MCW. Hard to say if that's hindsight though. He's been way better than anyone expected.

Begs the question - Would we be a better team (both now and in the future) with Middleton (SF), Knight (SG) and MCW (PG) manning the perimeter?

I'm 99.9% sure nobody on here is still a fan of that Ben Gordon trade. It was pretty divided before, and I'm certain people hate it now that Dumars used that money to get two more misfits in Smith and Jennings.

This team should have tanked into oblivion this season. Imagine a roster next year with Drummond and Wiggins/Parker. Detroit could have the luxury of building around those two young studs for the next decade.

ImHeisenberg wrote:I'm 99.9% sure nobody on here is still a fan of that Ben Gordon trade. It was pretty divided before, and I'm certain people hate it now that Dumars used that money to get two more misfits in Smith and Jennings.

This team should have tanked into oblivion this season. Imagine a roster next year with Drummond and Wiggins/Parker. Detroit could have the luxury of building around those two young studs for the next decade.

We couldn't tank because we traded our draft pick to unload Gordon. And Joe would lose his job. But instead of going for the marquee signings, Joe shouldve signed pieces that fit.

Imagine if we just drafted MCW, like we really needed to since we clearly needed a PG, traded Knight for a 2 guard like Afflalo. Signed some midlevel FA like Martell Webster and JJ Hickson. We wouldve been a much deeper and well balanced team.

Once again, Joe D went out and overpaid talent regardless of fit and its lead to terrible results. Joe D was yet again too desperate for big names that he ignored basic fit. We needed shooters and he goes and resigns Will Bynum? WTF- he had no plan this offseason.

Dumars needs to go fast. A new younger GM might come in and try to fix this mess. Dumars will probably try to start trading away all our future draft picks and young studs so he can make the 8th seed and try to say the Smith and Jennings signings were good.

ImHeisenberg wrote:I'm 99.9% sure nobody on here is still a fan of that Ben Gordon trade. It was pretty divided before, and I'm certain people hate it now that Dumars used that money to get two more misfits in Smith and Jennings.

This team should have tanked into oblivion this season. Imagine a roster next year with Drummond and Wiggins/Parker. Detroit could have the luxury of building around those two young studs for the next decade.

I don't know about your % but if its true then I'm the 0.1% that liked the trade at the time and still do today.

I hated the Gordon signing from the start and was glad to see him go. I'm not a believer in building teams entirely through the draft either, so I had no problems trading a pick to get rid of him. You win championships with a mix of FAs, draft picks, and trades, and we already have plenty of young talent from the draft. You can imagine a roster with Drummond and Wiggins all you want, just like I'm sure you also dreamed of a roster with Irving and Monroe, or Davis/Monroe etc in years past. Eventually you would think fans would learn that tanking for #1 picks doesn't work.

You have to get those FA's/trades right of course, and its yet to be seen if Joe got these right, but I know tanking intentionally for fantasy draft picks is not getting it right.

Smith/Jennings just might be BG/CV 2.0...

They've both played terrible. Especially JSmoove.

MrBigShot wrote:Smith/Jennings just might be BG/CV 2.0...

They've both played terrible. Especially JSmoove.

No way whatsoever. Neither have played terrible, nor been anything like the BG/CV signings. Both have been very productive, and for the most part their production combined has matched what we paid for them. You may have forgotten how bad BG/CV were. It was almost a miracle when Gordon gave us a 20 point game, which was the only thing he was signed for, and when he did that was all he gave us. No assists, rebounds, steals, no defense, etc. And Villanueva wasn't even good enough to ever even start a game for us, and Gordon was a bench player in talent as well, yet both were paid big starting salaries. Both Jennings/Smith are legit starters putting up good production. The team's defense is awful and the coaching is very suspect. That's the main issues here. They are part to blame for the defense, but so are Monroe and Drummond and the rest of the players. So if you are going to say they were bad signings because of our team defense being bad, then you also are saying Monroe and Drummond were bad draft picks.

Q00 wrote:

MrBigShot wrote:Smith/Jennings just might be BG/CV 2.0...

They've both played terrible. Especially JSmoove.

No way whatsoever. Neither have played terrible, nor been anything like the BG/CV signings. Both have been very productive, and for the most part their production combined has matched what we paid for them. You may have forgotten how bad BG/CV were. It was almost a miracle when Gordon gave us a 20 point game, which was the only thing he was signed for, and when he did that was all he gave us. No assists, rebounds, steals, no defense, etc. And Villanueva wasn't even good enough to ever even start a game for us, and Gordon was a bench player in talent as well, yet both were paid big starting salaries. Both Jennings/Smith are legit starters putting up good production. The team's defense is awful and the coaching is very suspect. That's the main issues here. They are part to blame for the defense, but so are Monroe and Drummond and the rest of the players. So if you are going to say they were bad signings because of our team defense being bad, then you also are saying Monroe and Drummond were bad draft picks.

Ok, BG/CV were on another level of bad. Still, Smith/Jennings have been putrid thus far. Josh Smith is shooting 39/27/55 on the season. That's AWFUL. We aren't going anywhere if that's the efficiency we are going to get from our SF. His per is also below the league average, at 14. At least Jennings has been able to get people involved and control the pace of the game.

MrBigShot wrote:

Q00 wrote:

MrBigShot wrote:Smith/Jennings just might be BG/CV 2.0...

They've both played terrible. Especially JSmoove.

No way whatsoever. Neither have played terrible, nor been anything like the BG/CV signings. Both have been very productive, and for the most part their production combined has matched what we paid for them. You may have forgotten how bad BG/CV were. It was almost a miracle when Gordon gave us a 20 point game, which was the only thing he was signed for, and when he did that was all he gave us. No assists, rebounds, steals, no defense, etc. And Villanueva wasn't even good enough to ever even start a game for us, and Gordon was a bench player in talent as well, yet both were paid big starting salaries. Both Jennings/Smith are legit starters putting up good production. The team's defense is awful and the coaching is very suspect. That's the main issues here. They are part to blame for the defense, but so are Monroe and Drummond and the rest of the players. So if you are going to say they were bad signings because of our team defense being bad, then you also are saying Monroe and Drummond were bad draft picks.

Ok, BG/CV were on another level of bad. Still, Smith/Jennings have been putrid thus far. Josh Smith is shooting 39/27/55 on the season. That's AWFUL. We aren't going anywhere if that's the efficiency we are going to get from our SF. His per is also below the league average, at 14. At least Jennings has been able to get people involved and control the pace of the game.

The Smith at SF experiment has been a failure so far and I don't think will stop being so in the future. He needs to play PF, plain and simple. One of he or Monroe needs to be traded for our team to have a shot at the playoffs this year.

MrBigShot wrote:Smith/Jennings just might be BG/CV 2.0...

They've both played terrible. Especially JSmoove.

I have no clue what the hell happened to Ben Gordon once he suited up for Detroit. He was a fantastic sharp shooter in Chicago. CV was always a head scratcher though.

Natopher wrote:

MrBigShot wrote:

Q00 wrote:
No way whatsoever. Neither have played terrible, nor been anything like the BG/CV signings. Both have been very productive, and for the most part their production combined has matched what we paid for them. You may have forgotten how bad BG/CV were. It was almost a miracle when Gordon gave us a 20 point game, which was the only thing he was signed for, and when he did that was all he gave us. No assists, rebounds, steals, no defense, etc. And Villanueva wasn't even good enough to ever even start a game for us, and Gordon was a bench player in talent as well, yet both were paid big starting salaries. Both Jennings/Smith are legit starters putting up good production. The team's defense is awful and the coaching is very suspect. That's the main issues here. They are part to blame for the defense, but so are Monroe and Drummond and the rest of the players. So if you are going to say they were bad signings because of our team defense being bad, then you also are saying Monroe and Drummond were bad draft picks.

Ok, BG/CV were on another level of bad. Still, Smith/Jennings have been putrid thus far. Josh Smith is shooting 39/27/55 on the season. That's AWFUL. We aren't going anywhere if that's the efficiency we are going to get from our SF. His per is also below the league average, at 14. At least Jennings has been able to get people involved and control the pace of the game.

The Smith at SF experiment has been a failure so far and I don't think will stop being so in the future. He needs to play PF, plain and simple. One of he or Monroe needs to be traded for our team to have a shot at the playoffs this year.

While I agree that Smith needs to play PF I still think this team makes the playoffs, even if we do the unthinkable and stick with our current starting line-up.

princeofpalace wrote:
We couldn't tank because we traded our draft pick to unload Gordon. And Joe would lose his job. But instead of going for the marquee signings, Joe shouldve signed pieces that fit.

Imagine if we just drafted MCW, like we really needed to since we clearly needed a PG, traded Knight for a 2 guard like Afflalo. Signed some midlevel FA like Martell Webster and JJ Hickson. We wouldve been a much deeper and well balanced team.

Once again, Joe D went out and overpaid talent regardless of fit and its lead to terrible results. Joe D was yet again too desperate for big names that he ignored basic fit. We needed shooters and he goes and resigns Will Bynum? WTF- he had no plan this offseason.

You were a huge fan of the Josh signing though.