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Now, of course, it is a bit early to be judging how all the offseason moves went...

And personally, I'm relatively happy with how things went...

But I find speculation to be fun, so knowing what we know now, let's see what else Joe Dumars could have done this offseason to improve the team, starting from the day the season ended.

We know that we needed a PG, SG, and SF of starting caliber. Brandon Knight could count as a SG for us if you wanted to keep him.

Let's see the options available to us:
1. The Draft. We could have drafted Trey Burke or Michael Carter-Williams at PG. Burke has looked pretty good, but Carter-Williams looks even better, and would have allowed us to keep Knight at SG. They'd switch on defense. Knight's spot-up shooting from beyond the ark at this point is superior to KCP's. MCW's defense on the wing isn't as good as KCP's, but Knight's is better than Jennings'. If we decided to address PG elsewhere, we can instead go for a SG or SF. KCP is still an option, but so is Giannis Adeto...uh... the Greek Freak. Now, this stuff is much harder to theorize, but you could also consider trying to trade up or trade down. Trading down is a bit more realistic, for someone like Tony Snell, Solomon Hill, Tim Hardaway Jr., or another local boy, Ray McCallum.

2. Trades. Grevis Vasquez and Eric Bledsoe are the PGs who got traded, should we have tried to nab them? Could we have nabbed them? Or how about wing players, like Redick? Should we have considered a sign and trade for anyone, like perhaps Tyreke Evans? Match them up with your draft choices, of course.

3. How about free agent signings? We couldn't have gotten Iggy-but who else is out there who we could, or should have gone after? Kyle Korver or Jeff Teague instead of Jennings a JSmoove? Swaggy P ?

4. Finally, who'd you prefer to get as head coach? Brad Stevens? Or how about whoever's coaching the Suns? Maybe someone else who's still employed?

Remember, tanking is not an option.

We should have

Traded Monroe and Knight for Rondo

Signed Jarrett Jack to run the point until Rondo is healthy

Signed Milsap to start at PF

Signed JJ Reddick (who had no offers at all even when the Clippers were backing out of signing him due to owner issues)

Traded Stuckey, Jerebko, #8 to Philly for Evan Turner

Jack / Rondo
Reddick / Singler
Turner
Milsap / Charlie V
Drummond / Harrelson

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My offseason plan was

1) Draft MCW
2) Trade Knight/Singler/CV for Eric Gordon
3) Sign JJ Hickson to play backup PF/C & Martell Webster at SG/SF.

We become: MCW/Gordon/Webster/Monroe/Drummond with Stuck, Middleton, Hickson off the bench

We are still a young team but I think we'd have a comparable record as we do now, and I think we'd be more well balanced and have a future perennial all Star PG and C. Monroe would also be having a much better season. If Joe's job wasn't on the line, and he didn't trade Charlotte our pick, I think we wouldve continued this rebuilding type team for one more season.

I have no idea why Joe whiffed on MCW, but oh well, hopefully KCP finds his shot soon. Because the East is so lousy we likely make the playoffs and we are starting to see the team gel a little bit more so it looks like its working out. If Joe can upgrade at SG and backup SF with some knock down shooters- I think we will be ok.

Keep Middleton and Knight. Boom, there's your starting SF with Middleton.

Draft MCW, move Knight to the 2.

Use the cap space like Utah, take the Warriors pick and utilize Richard Jefferson and Biedrins off the bench.

Should have fired Joe Dumars. Hired Ryan McDonough who would have had the chance to hire a better coach - say Steve Clifford (I think Brad Stevens saw Boston as a special situation).

Traded #8 to Utah for their two picks. Drafted Giannis with #14 and then traded the second one for a 2014 first rounder.

If we're talking about revisionist history, why not go back to 2010 draft and take Paul George instead of Monroe? Take Klay Thompson in 2011, and Drummond in 2012. Actually keep Middleton and send Singler in the trade for Jennings.

Hire Lionel Hollins as head coach. Sell the team to Mike Illitch.

ImHeisenberg wrote:If we're talking about revisionist history, why not go back to 2010 draft and take Paul George instead of Monroe? Take Klay Thompson in 2011, and Drummond in 2012. Actually keep Middleton and send Singler in the trade for Jennings.

Hire Lionel Hollins as head coach. Sell the team to Mike Illitch.

Why not go back to the 2008 and 2009 drafts and pick DeAndre Jordan so he doesn't dunk on us really badly and pick Lawson so we don't have Dayetime nightmares as well?

I rode the same MCW bandwagon that POP did this off-season. He just seemed to have the most upside and I thought the fact that he could defend, dribble, drive, and pass all would translate to the NBA whether his jump shot developed or not.

That said I wasn't down on the KCP draft if point guard wasn't an option.

Also didn't hate the Smith signing as I still don't believe that Monroe is a 4.

A Knight/MCW backcourt would've been complimentary and very good defensively. They'd be a trade of Monroe for a good 3 away from being a 50+ win team. Their defensive upside would've been tremendous.

Umbra wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:If we're talking about revisionist history, why not go back to 2010 draft and take Paul George instead of Monroe? Take Klay Thompson in 2011, and Drummond in 2012. Actually keep Middleton and send Singler in the trade for Jennings.

Hire Lionel Hollins as head coach. Sell the team to Mike Illitch.

Why not go back to the 2008 and 2009 drafts and pick DeAndre Jordan so he doesn't dunk on us really badly and pick Lawson so we don't have Dayetime nightmares as well?

Let's go back to 03 and draft wade and mo Williams.


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Umbra wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:If we're talking about revisionist history, why not go back to 2010 draft and take Paul George instead of Monroe? Take Klay Thompson in 2011, and Drummond in 2012. Actually keep Middleton and send Singler in the trade for Jennings.

Hire Lionel Hollins as head coach. Sell the team to Mike Illitch.

Why not go back to the 2008 and 2009 drafts and pick DeAndre Jordan so he doesn't dunk on us really badly and pick Lawson so we don't have Dayetime nightmares as well?

Yes, this team has passed on quite a bit of elite talent.

ComboGuardCity wrote:

Umbra wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:If we're talking about revisionist history, why not go back to 2010 draft and take Paul George instead of Monroe? Take Klay Thompson in 2011, and Drummond in 2012. Actually keep Middleton and send Singler in the trade for Jennings.

Hire Lionel Hollins as head coach. Sell the team to Mike Illitch.

Why not go back to the 2008 and 2009 drafts and pick DeAndre Jordan so he doesn't dunk on us really badly and pick Lawson so we don't have Dayetime nightmares as well?

Let's go back to 03 and draft wade and mo Williams.


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Pugz wrote:

ComboGuardCity wrote:

Umbra wrote:
Why not go back to the 2008 and 2009 drafts and pick DeAndre Jordan so he doesn't dunk on us really badly and pick Lawson so we don't have Dayetime nightmares as well?

Let's go back to 03 and draft wade and mo Williams.


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ImHeisenberg wrote:If we're talking about revisionist history, why not go back to 2010 draft and take Paul George instead of Monroe? Take Klay Thompson in 2011, and Drummond in 2012. Actually keep Middleton and send Singler in the trade for Jennings.

Hire Lionel Hollins as head coach. Sell the team to Mike Illitch.

We would've been unbeatable along with Chris Bosh (who we drafted in 2003) and Jennings. Multiple playmakers/defenders are the recipe for a dynasty!!

Draft mcw. Sign iggy. Round off the bench with the remaining field.

Make this year more about the development of moose/dre individually and as a duo.

Play decent, begin the tank around february.

Mcw, knight, iggy, monroe, dre.

Easily
trade the 8th pick for Bledsoe
draft Pierre Jackson, Deshaun Thomas, in the 2nd round
trade Monroe+Stuckey for Afflalo+Nicholson
never bring Billups in
never re-sign Bynum
sign Datome
sign Harrellson
play the young guys and keep the money for the future
sign Mike Malone/Lionel Hollins

Bledsoe-Knight-Jackson
Afflalo-Middleton
Singler-Datome-Thomas
Nicholson-Jerebko-Villanueva
Drummond-Harrellson-Kravstov

That team under the right coach could be top6 in the East, with a much more balanced roster, better future and all the flexibility in the world.

I don't think Nicholson is a starting caliber PF, but I do think Bledsoe/Affllao would be a better back court than what we have now. Both are two-way players capable of scoring efficiently and getting other guys involved.

I do not think Knight is an above average guard in the NBA, he has never shown me signs of being great besides shooting from 3. The part i hated most about that trade was getting rid of Middleton. He will be in the league in 5 years stroking 3's while knight is unemployed

sfballa13 wrote:We should have

Traded Monroe and Knight for Rondo

Signed Jarrett Jack to run the point until Rondo is healthy

Signed Milsap to start at PF

Signed JJ Reddick (who had no offers at all even when the Clippers were backing out of signing him due to owner issues)

Traded Stuckey, Jerebko, #8 to Philly for Evan Turner

Jack / Rondo
Reddick / Singler
Turner
Milsap / Charlie V
Drummond / Harrelson

That seems pretty win-nowish. Do you really like Turner much at all? I don't think he's good, and I don't think he'd be a good fit, especially once Rondo returned. He needs to handle the ball, and he can't shoot. Not a good fit there IMO. Might as well draft Giannis or KCP, give us either a the SF of the future or a defensive replacement wing since Redick isn't a real stopper.

princeofpalace wrote:My offseason plan was

1) Draft MCW
2) Trade Knight/Singler/CV for Eric Gordon
3) Sign JJ Hickson to play backup PF/C & Martell Webster at SG/SF.

We become: MCW/Gordon/Webster/Monroe/Drummond with Stuck, Middleton, Hickson off the bench
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I have no idea why Joe whiffed on MCW, but oh well, hopefully KCP finds his shot soon. Because the East is so lousy we likely make the playoffs and we are starting to see the team gel a little bit more so it looks like its working out. If Joe can upgrade at SG and backup SF with some knock down shooters- I think we will be ok.

I don't know about trading for Gordon. He hasn't looked all that great coming back from all of those injuries, and he's getting paid a ton. Webster also got really overpaid by the Wizards.

Also, it's easy to see why we passed on MCW, considering nearly everyone thought he'd bust hard and he was a low-lottery selection. He clearly wasn't well regarded before the draft by a ton of people. Kudos for being right, but you can hardly blame Joe D when you were one of but a handful who really like MCW.

ImHeisenberg wrote:Keep Middleton and Knight. Boom, there's your starting SF with Middleton.

Draft MCW, move Knight to the 2.

Use the cap space like Utah, take the Warriors pick and utilize Richard Jefferson and Biedrins off the bench.

Do you view Middleton as a long-term starter at SF, or just the best option this offseason? Also, taking on Biedrins probably means no Jorts in real life, since I doubt we'd keep 4 guys who can play center.

Considering that Afflalo didn't have the same value this offseason as he did last, do you think a package of Stuckey+Knight could have netted us Afflalo, assuming some other bits had to be exchanged to even things out? This would be my favorite scenario, although our bench would be awful without Stuckey.

Kilo wrote:Should have fired Joe Dumars. Hired Ryan McDonough who would have had the chance to hire a better coach - say Steve Clifford (I think Brad Stevens saw Boston as a special situation).

Traded #8 to Utah for their two picks. Drafted Giannis with #14 and then traded the second one for a 2014 first rounder.

How on earth would you turn the 27th pick in the 2013 draft into a first rounder in 2014? Also, are you willing to role with Knight as our starting PG, with no SG except Stuckey and probably Singler?

momed11 wrote:Draft mcw. Sign iggy. Round off the bench with the remaining field.

Make this year more about the development of moose/dre individually and as a duo.

Play decent, begin the tank around february.

Mcw, knight, iggy, monroe, dre.

Iggy wasn't coming here. We'd probably have to offer him the super-max to get him to come here. He wanted to be in GS. I really doubt that we could tank in this year's East, and that isn't allowed anyways since Gores wanted to hurry stuff up.

Fischella wrote:Easily
trade the 8th pick for Bledsoe
draft Pierre Jackson, Deshaun Thomas, in the 2nd round
trade Monroe+Stuckey for Afflalo+Nicholson
never bring Billups in
never re-sign Bynum
sign Datome
sign Harrellson
play the young guys and keep the money for the future
sign Mike Malone/Lionel Hollins

Bledsoe-Knight-Jackson
Afflalo-Middleton
Singler-Datome-Thomas
Nicholson-Jerebko-Villanueva
Drummond-Harrellson-Kravstov

That team under the right coach could be top6 in the East, with a much more balanced roster, better future and all the flexibility in the world.

Are you sure the Clippers would do that deal? They made out pretty will trading him for Redick. I'd do it though.

Is Jackson really any better than Mitchell, or at least upside-wise? I don't think I'd do that. Also, I'm not a Thomas fan at all. Not that I'm a huge Siva fan, but I think Siva has a better future. Thomas is just too slow.

Moose isn't a good fit next to Vucevic, so I'm not sure that they'd do that deal. Plus, what's the point in shedding Afflalo's deal if you're going to resign Monroe for big money?

Knight is not a starter on an elite team. He really didn't have a position. Jennings trade I would certainly do again.


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