Chad Ford suggests trading Monroe-Stuckey for Afflalo-Tobias

[Q00]

Rob: Would I be crazy to trade Arron Afflalo this year?

Ford: (Orlando) probably should’ve traded him for Eric Bledsoe this summer when (they) had the chance. Now that’s the standard and I’m not sure there’s a better deal out there, despite the fact that Afflalo has been playing at an All-Star level all year. One deal I think would make sense — Greg Monroe and Rodney Stuckey for Arron Afflalo and Tobias Harris.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford

Would you do it?

[Snakebites]

It makes our roster more balanced and attractive to be sure, but I'll be entirely honest when I say that I really don't know much about Tobias Harris.

[Q00]

^He's sort of a 3-4 tweener just like Smith, so it doesn't give us any more protypical SF, but he's a great shooter. So we could start him and Smith at SF/PF and basically just use them interchangeably based on matchups, while increasing our froncourt shootinhg by replacing Monroe with him.

I don't know much about him defensively either, but I believe he is more athletic than Monroe, so would likely give us a better chance to be a good team defense too.

Then of course you upgrade SG from KCP into Afflalo and can let KCP develop off the bench at his own pace, basically taking Stuckey's role/minutes.

This would be a deal I would strongly consider, though I would still explore other options first to see if they can get more for Monroe. If not, this would make a lot of sense for both teams.

[Snakebites]

I'm not sure Monroe carries this level of value, then.

Afflalo's done enough to suggest that last year was more of an aberration in terms of his shooting. While I don't think he's an All-Star level player, he's playing close to that level now.

Its an interesting thought, but I certainly don't think we're getting MORE than this for Monroe. Heck, I'm not sure we can get what this deal proposes. RFA status really hurts trade value.

[pistontr]

it would be great

[ComboGuardCity]

Tobias Harris is an excellent offensive player. That I know. I knew nothing about his defense. So I did a little scrolling through the Bucks and magic board to get an understanding. Turns out, he's can't guard 3s at all. He put on weight to guard 4s this off season. That still leaves Josh on the perimeter. I don't like it. I want to be a good defensive team and when you're almost automatically weak at 1,3,4, you're not succeeding.

I think what many are missing is Dre is supposed to be our help side defender and anchor. Right now, he's not there yet. If you think he's going to get there, Moose is the guy you pair with him along with a defensive 3. If you're in the mind of trading moose, it's a short term plan in order to hide Dre's current deficiencies

[Natopher]

I would trade Monroe and Stuckey for Harris and Afflalo any day of the week. Stuckey likely won't be resigned (and even if we want to resign him, trading him really won't hurt our ability to do so), Afflalo would be great in a starting role, and Harris' shooting ability would help this team in the short and long-term. His weight/defense is definitely a concern, but he could lose whatever weight he put on to guard 4's and then theoretically be better at guarding 3's.

That said, Monroe and Stuckey don't have enough value to get both of those 2 in a trade. If Orlando needed a Center then I'd feel differently about the value. But Orlando has Vucevic who wouldn't fit with Monroe, so I don't see them doing the trade.

[kurtis48239]

I know this probably dumb,but my only gripe about aaron is his age and this season that his playing at.Ive heard all the talk about him never really getting a chance but wasant he getting the chance in denver ?I think if we trade monroe it should be for a up an coming sf/sg that can grow with the team.Even tho I think monroe is a good to avg big,hes young and if traded to a team that plays him at center his a decent piece.I also think that because orlando is tanking and are trading arron because of it we should be able to get away with something alittle better.But like snake said I dont know much about harris but if he can shoot and play D then it might not be so bad.

[Snakebites]

I know this probably dumb,but my only gripe about aaron is his age and this season that his playing at.Ive heard all the talk about him never really getting a chance but wasant he getting the chance in denver ?I think if we trade monroe it should be for a up an coming sf/sg that can grow with the team.Even tho I think monroe is a good to avg big,hes young and if traded to a team that plays him at center his a decent piece.I also think that because orlando is tanking and are trading arron because of it we should be able to get away with something alittle better.But like snake said I dont know much about harris but if he can shoot and play D then it might not be so bad.

He was good in Denver.

In terms of efficiency his best season may still be a Denver one....

[pistontr]

Harris is not a good shooter. 3P%=20.8
Harkless is better 3P%=34.8

[Clarity]

I didnt see a "pull head out of ass & quit trying to trade one of our two franchise pieces" option.

[kurtis48239]

I know this probably dumb,but my only gripe about aaron is his age and this season that his playing at.Ive heard all the talk about him never really getting a chance but wasant he getting the chance in denver ?I think if we trade monroe it should be for a up an coming sf/sg that can grow with the team.Even tho I think monroe is a good to avg big,hes young and if traded to a team that plays him at center his a decent piece.I also think that because orlando is tanking and are trading arron because of it we should be able to get away with something alittle better.But like snake said I dont know much about harris but if he can shoot and play D then it might not be so bad.

He was good in Denver.

In terms of efficiency his best season may still be a Denver one....

I know he was good but not this good.

[The Moose]

I'd take it and run far, far away before we are arrested for highway robbery

[Q00]

Harris is not a good shooter. 3P%=20.8
Harkless is better 3P%=34.8

da fuq?

wow, I didn't know Harris was only a 20% 3pt shooter. Everytime I've seen him play over the years it seems like he makes everything.

Anyways, I wasn't looking at him as any longterm answer. He's only making a rookie contract, so he could just be brought off the bench. The trade is more about Monroe for Afflalo, with Stuckey thrown in to match salary and then us getting Tobias thrown in for relieving Orlando of Afflalos contract.

[pistontr]

monroe and franchise pieces in the same sentence. maybe we should offer thunder monroe for ibaka and westbrook.

[pistontr]

monroe is poor man of al jefferson

[HeroicKennedy]

Hey remember when we traded Arron Afflalo for a future second rounder that we used to draft Vernon Macklin?

But no seriously guys Joe Dumars isn't the problem he's totally awesome and should stick around forever.

[MrBigShot]

I'd do it. Afflalo is playing better than anyone on our roster right now, he'd be a welcome addition. Bring Harris off the bench and start Singler at the 3 spot to stretch the floor until we find a better SF. Afflalo is a two way player shooting at an elite level. He plays hard and remains disciplined. Perhaps Smith would perform better if he wasn't out on the perimeter anymore either.

[HeroicKennedy]

You do realize that Afflalo only has two years left after this year before he hits unrestricted free agency and will be in his 30's by the time Drummond reaches his prime, right?

This team has to find players that will be reaching their prime the same time as Drummond, not exiting their primes.

[vic]

Or you could just stagger the big 3 you have now, kinda like how smart teams like the San Antonio Spurs won 4 champiOnships staggering their big 3? Kinda like the last time OKC went to the Finals? Like how I've been posting they should do since before the season started.
 
Did anyone catch the Zach Lowe piece about how mediocre teams lack the courage and creativity to stagger their best players?
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8. Mediocre Teams Not Staggering
Teams will inevitably have to get through minutes in which they don’t have an offensive centerpiece on the floor. Not every team can have a prime Manu Ginobili or Jason Terry and the guts, depth, and creativity to bring that kind of player off the bench. The best players start the game, and though they don’t always come out at the same time, most teams sit their core starters together for a few minutes here and there.
It doesn’t have to be that way, of course. The Mavericks juggle things to minimize the pain of Dirk Nowitzki’s rest periods, primarily by subbing him out much earlier than teams typically remove their fulcrum players. The Wolves often make sure to have either Kevin Love or Nikola Pekovic on the floor, though the Wolves’ shaky bench drives that as much as any Rick Adelman philosophy.
Two bits of non-staggering that have been grating of late: Detroit playing segments without any of the Josh Smith–Andre Drummond–Greg Monroe trio on the floor, and the reinvented Kings going stretches with all three of Isaiah Thomas, DeMarcus Cousins, and Rudy Gay on the bench. The Detroit stretches were happening in some games even before the Josh Smith–Maurice Cheeks benching tiff over the weekend, and they are especially puzzling. A roster featuring three quality big men begs for constant staggering. Detroit has actuallybeen a net positive in the 93 minutes all three have been off the court, thanks mostly to improvement in its poor defense, but the whole thing strikes me as a wasted chance.