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Villanueva/BG easily. It destroyed us.

Jennings and Smith can at least be productive players. and to be honest I still stand by the Jennings signing.

BG/CV was dumber by far

Easily BG and Charlie.
BG had maybe 7-8 good games when he was here and CV has had maybe 4-5.
Both jennings and smith have done more this season than BG and CV had done in their whole time in Detroit.
and that's coming from someone who doesn't like Jennings or smith.

BG/CV- Dumars was the cliche idiot GM who overpaid a player because they had one good series (Gordon), then overpaid CV even though it was well noted that he didn't play hard or tried to get better.

*more dumb, dumber is not a word

The BG signing is way dumber because we saw AI & Rip not work so then Joe replaces AI with Ben Gordon and expects it to work? That made absolutely no sense. I actually thought CV was a good signing at the time, a young 6'11 PF that avg'd 16 & 7 for 8mil? You can't really beat that.

Jennings and Smith because it showed that Dumars doesn't learn from his mistakes. Also Jennings cost us Knight and Middleton.

Blkbrd671 wrote:*more dumb, dumber is not a word

*less intelligent, "more dumb" isn't proper grammar.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

Blkbrd671 wrote:*more dumb, dumber is not a word

*less intelligent, "more dumb" isn't proper grammar.

at least its in the dictionary =p

Signing ben gordon was dumber than smith, jennings, and villanueva combined

Kilo wrote:Jennings and Smith because it showed that Dumars doesn't learn from his mistakes. Also Jennings cost us Knight and Middleton.

Cost us? You do realize Milwaukee is the worst team in the league right? We suck and still have 2x as many wins as them.

Kilo wrote:Jennings and Smith because it showed that Dumars doesn't learn from his mistakes. Also Jennings cost us Knight and Middleton.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I can't breathe



Kilo PLS

BG and CV for sure, but legitimate question.

Although I think Josh Smith is tied with these guys...

Total Ben Gordon/Charlie V deals: 85 million over 5 years = 17 million per year.

Total Jennings/Smith deals: 78 million over 4 years = 19.5 million per year.

Jennings/Smith are slightly more money per year, but at one fewer year. Jennings thus far has clearly been the best player of the 4 (in the sense that he's the only one who doesn't constantly make me want to roll up in a fetal position), so I think that tips the equation clearly in the current signings favor.

The CV/BG deals cost us Chauncey Billups with a couple years left of his prime (this got us the cap space to make it happen) and Amir Johnson, who was traded in the preceding month for a player who was promptly waived, most likely to make sure we could afford to be players in free agency. As part of the later fallout Arron Afflalo was traded away for a bag of chips to make sure Rip and Gordon had enough playing time.

The Smith/Jennings deals cost us Knight and Middleton and also a (possible) lottery pick. As crappy as the precedent/fallout is here I think the moves associated with BG/CV are clearly worse.

Gordon/CV were clearly worse deals overall, and the context makes them even worse. Less overall player value for more money total. Congrats, Dumars, your mistakes were mildly more catastrophic 4 years ago. Pretty pathetic sign of "progress", that we've only moderately improved from what was probably the worst series of moves in the NBA in recent memory.

Snakebites wrote:Total Ben Gordon/Charlie V deals: 85 million over 5 years = 17 million per year.

Total Jennings/Smith deals: 78 million over 4 years = 19.5 million per year.

Jennings/Smith are slightly more money per year, but at one fewer year. Jennings thus far has clearly been the best player of the 4 (in the sense that he's the only one who doesn't constantly make me want to roll up in a fetal position), so I think that tips the equation clearly in the current signings favor.

The CV/BG deals cost us Chauncey Billups with a couple years left of his prime (this got us the cap space to make it happen) and Amir Johnson, who was traded in the preceding month for a player who was promptly waived, most likely to make sure we could afford to be players in free agency. As part of the later fallout Arron Afflalo was traded away for a bag of chips to make sure Rip and Gordon had enough playing time.

The Smith/Jennings deals cost us Knight and Middleton and also a (possible) lottery pick. As crappy as the precedent/fallout is here I think the moves associated with BG/CV are clearly worse.

Gordon/CV were clearly worse deals overall, and the context makes them even worse. Less overall player value for more money total. Congrats, Dumars, your mistakes were mildly more catastrophic 4 years ago. Pretty pathetic sign of "progress", that we've only moderately improved from what was probably the worst series of moves in the NBA in recent memory.

Don't forget we traded a possible lottery pick in a great draft just to get rid of BG a year early so we could sign Smith and Jennings.

sc8581 wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Total Ben Gordon/Charlie V deals: 85 million over 5 years = 17 million per year.

Total Jennings/Smith deals: 78 million over 4 years = 19.5 million per year.

Jennings/Smith are slightly more money per year, but at one fewer year. Jennings thus far has clearly been the best player of the 4 (in the sense that he's the only one who doesn't constantly make me want to roll up in a fetal position), so I think that tips the equation clearly in the current signings favor.

The CV/BG deals cost us Chauncey Billups with a couple years left of his prime (this got us the cap space to make it happen) and Amir Johnson, who was traded in the preceding month for a player who was promptly waived, most likely to make sure we could afford to be players in free agency. As part of the later fallout Arron Afflalo was traded away for a bag of chips to make sure Rip and Gordon had enough playing time.

The Smith/Jennings deals cost us Knight and Middleton and also a (possible) lottery pick. As crappy as the precedent/fallout is here I think the moves associated with BG/CV are clearly worse.

Gordon/CV were clearly worse deals overall, and the context makes them even worse. Less overall player value for more money total. Congrats, Dumars, your mistakes were mildly more catastrophic 4 years ago. Pretty pathetic sign of "progress", that we've only moderately improved from what was probably the worst series of moves in the NBA in recent memory.

Don't forget we traded a possible lottery pick in a great draft just to get rid of BG a year early so we could sign Smith and Jennings.

That's in there.

Snakebites wrote:

sc8581 wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Total Ben Gordon/Charlie V deals: 85 million over 5 years = 17 million per year.

Total Jennings/Smith deals: 78 million over 4 years = 19.5 million per year.

Jennings/Smith are slightly more money per year, but at one fewer year. Jennings thus far has clearly been the best player of the 4 (in the sense that he's the only one who doesn't constantly make me want to roll up in a fetal position), so I think that tips the equation clearly in the current signings favor.

The CV/BG deals cost us Chauncey Billups with a couple years left of his prime (this got us the cap space to make it happen) and Amir Johnson, who was traded in the preceding month for a player who was promptly waived, most likely to make sure we could afford to be players in free agency. As part of the later fallout Arron Afflalo was traded away for a bag of chips to make sure Rip and Gordon had enough playing time.

The Smith/Jennings deals cost us Knight and Middleton and also a (possible) lottery pick. As crappy as the precedent/fallout is here I think the moves associated with BG/CV are clearly worse.

Gordon/CV were clearly worse deals overall, and the context makes them even worse. Less overall player value for more money total. Congrats, Dumars, your mistakes were mildly more catastrophic 4 years ago. Pretty pathetic sign of "progress", that we've only moderately improved from what was probably the worst series of moves in the NBA in recent memory.

Don't forget we traded a possible lottery pick in a great draft just to get rid of BG a year early so we could sign Smith and Jennings.

That's in there.

Does it count for BG/CV or Smith/Jennings though? Chicken or the egg?

^A fair question. Seeing as I counted losing Billups and Amir against BG/CV it seemed fair to count the lotto pick against Smith/Jennings.

Blkbrd671 wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:

Blkbrd671 wrote:*more dumb, dumber is not a word

*less intelligent, "more dumb" isn't proper grammar.

at least its in the dictionary =p

I'd still fail you.