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Here are the top 3 lineups from 82games http://www.82games.com/1314/1314DET2.HTM

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond +19
Jennings-Caldwell-Pope-Singler-Monroe-Drummond +13
Jennings-Caldwell-Pope-Smith-Harrellson-Monroe +18

Solution: Shorten the lineup to 8 players. Only play other players in an emergency (Bynum/Billups/Jerebko preferably)

1s: Jennings/Stuckey
2s: KCP/Stuckey
3s: Singler/Smith
4s: Monroe/Smith
5s: Drummond/Harrelson

Since you'd rather build around the young talent than the old, I say bring Stuckey/Smith off the bench.

The ship is burning. What do you think?

I think doing anything different than what we are doing now is a good idea

a.k.a. have shooters (at least 3) in the lineup.

theBigLip wrote:I think doing anything different than what we are doing now is a good idea

It literally cannot be any worse than the current state of the team.

Mr. Krabs wrote:a.k.a. have shooters (at least 3) in the lineup.

Exactly. Which is what everyone was saying since the summertime.

Also make sure one of the shooters is also a slasher/cutter. (Stuckey/Singler)

Which underscores how good KCP will be when he learns how to cut OR how to drive to the hole, or BOTH.

This next game will be very telling where this team's mindset is. After all these debacles, and knowing how they have trouble against stretch 4s, if they trot out the same lineup again tomorrow with Monroe v Thad Young, it will be obvious they have no plans of ever changing.

vic wrote:

Mr. Krabs wrote:a.k.a. have shooters (at least 3) in the lineup.

Exactly. Which is what everyone was saying since the summertime.

Also make sure one of the shooters is also a slasher/cutter. (Stuckey/Singler)

Which underscores how good KCP will be when he learns how to cut OR how to drive to the hole, or BOTH.

Personnel is not the only problem. Other than Singler, I don't see anyone cutting to the basket or setting a pick when the original play breaks down. That's why we are seeing Jennings dribble for a while and then jack up a tough shot.

They could have all the talent in the world but you also need some smarts too.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

theBigLip wrote:I think doing anything different than what we are doing now is a good idea

It literally cannot be any worse than the current state of the team.

I disagree. The team is bad enough to fall into the top eight pretty easily right now. I'd much rather have that 2014 pick than make the playoffs this year. Let the Bobcats have the Pistons' 2015 1st, that draft isn't as loaded.

This thread is a true testament on how far we are from being an actual contender let alone a legit playoff team. Granted in the playoffs teams usually play 8-9 guys, but this just goes to show that we're incredibly shallow in depth. No established shooters is hurting the team badly. If anything this upcoming offseason we should go HARD for shooting depth players, get rid of guys like Bynum and Jerebko who provide very little for an already thin bench.

vic wrote:Here are the top 3 lineups from 82games http://www.82games.com/1314/1314DET2.HTM

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond +19
Jennings-Caldwell-Pope-Singler-Monroe-Drummond +13
Jennings-Caldwell-Pope-Smith-Harrellson-Monroe +18

Solution: Shorten the lineup to 8 players. Only play other players in an emergency (Bynum/Billups/Jerebko preferably)

1s: Jennings/Stuckey
2s: KCP/Stuckey
3s: Singler/Smith
4s: Monroe/Smith
5s: Drummond/Harrelson

Since you'd rather build around the young talent than the old, I say bring Stuckey/Smith off the bench.

The ship is burning. What do you think?

very good. but if smith plays as a SF, harrelson should be in the court.

pistontr wrote:

vic wrote:Here are the top 3 lineups from 82games http://www.82games.com/1314/1314DET2.HTM

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond +19
Jennings-Caldwell-Pope-Singler-Monroe-Drummond +13
Jennings-Caldwell-Pope-Smith-Harrellson-Monroe +18

Solution: Shorten the lineup to 8 players. Only play other players in an emergency (Bynum/Billups/Jerebko preferably)

1s: Jennings/Stuckey
2s: KCP/Stuckey
3s: Singler/Smith
4s: Monroe/Smith
5s: Drummond/Harrelson

Since you'd rather build around the young talent than the old, I say bring Stuckey/Smith off the bench.

The ship is burning. What do you think?

very good. but if smith plays as a SF, harrelson should be in the court.

Exactly. The whole point is to have 3 shooters on the floor at all times.

The only guy I'd force into our lineup is Gigi. He has the potential of being a big time 3 pt shooter and scorer. We should find out what we've got in this guy, and the only way to do that is to give him about 20 straight games in the rotation with at least 15 minutes per game, more if his play that game warrants it. And we should make sure he gets his shots up, but with this guy that shouldn't be a problem since he knows how to move to get the ball, and we can trust him to move the ball quickly if he doesn't have a clean look.

We'll never be able to learn about who this guy is and what he can be if he doesn't get consistent rotation time. And he's the only guy on our bench who has the potential to be the scorer this team desperately needs.

Brapman wrote:The only guy I'd force into our lineup is Gigi. He has the potential of being a big time 3 pt shooter and scorer. We should find out what we've got in this guy, and the only way to do that is to give him about 20 straight games in the rotation with at least 15 minutes per game, more if his play that game warrants it. And we should make sure he gets his shots up, but with this guy that shouldn't be a problem since he knows how to move to get the ball, and we can trust him to move the ball quickly if he doesn't have a clean look.

We'll never be able to learn about who this guy is and what he can be if he doesn't get consistent rotation time. And he's the only guy on our bench who has the potential to be the scorer this team desperately needs.

Gigi is an absolute TERRIBLE fit for our team. He would thrive in a team like Portland or San Antonio, teams that runs offensive plays with discipline. He is a great cutter, passer and can get open easily.

Yeah Gigi sucks

I like this:

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond

Let Monroe be a sixth man backing up PF/C. He would still get his 30 mpg. KCP would be a sniper and defensive role player while Singler has earned the right to give starting a shot as a true SF.

BadMofoPimp wrote:I like this:

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond

Let Monroe be a sixth man backing up PF/C. He would still get his 30 mpg. KCP would be a sniper and defensive role player while Singler has earned the right to give starting a shot as a true SF.

I wouldn't move Stuckey to any role other than one he has now. This is the best he has played and if you move back to the starting lineup were the ball is in Jennings hand he will become ineffective playing off the ball.

MotownMadness wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:I like this:

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond

Let Monroe be a sixth man backing up PF/C. He would still get his 30 mpg. KCP would be a sniper and defensive role player while Singler has earned the right to give starting a shot as a true SF.

I wouldn't move Stuckey to any role other than one he has now. This is the best he has played and if you move back to the starting lineup were the ball is in Jennings hand he will become ineffective playing off the ball.

At this point, I would try anything even if that involved Stuck as a starter.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:I like this:

Jennings-Stuckey-Singler-Smith-Drummond

Let Monroe be a sixth man backing up PF/C. He would still get his 30 mpg. KCP would be a sniper and defensive role player while Singler has earned the right to give starting a shot as a true SF.

I wouldn't move Stuckey to any role other than one he has now. This is the best he has played and if you move back to the starting lineup were the ball is in Jennings hand he will become ineffective playing off the ball.

At this point, I would try anything even if that involved Stuck as a starter.

KCP needs playing time. I don't think Stuck is nor should be in our future plans any longer. Plus remember how terrible he was starting at the 2 last year? It was historically terrible. I would do this though.

Stuckey/Jennings
KCP/Jennings
Singler/Smith
Smith/Monroe
Drummond/Monroe

^ I've thought about that lineup as well. I would either go with that or this:

Jennings/Billups
Stuckey/Caldwell-Pope
Caldwell-Pope/Singler
Smith/Monroe
Drummond/Monroe

I chose KCP over Singler to start at SF for defense. I chose Smith to start over Monroe for defense. Everything we do needs to be with defense in mind. Once that doesn't work we go in full tank mode and Move Monroe for a defensive SF and draft Marcus Smart to be our new PG. We can then look to dump Jennings in the offseason or use him as a super sub. Hopefully Smith gets it together at PF. Whatever we do, SOME changes need to be made if Cheeks wants to turn this season around. I'm personally ready to tank though.

DetroitPistons wrote:^ I've thought about that lineup as well. I would either go with that or this:

Jennings/Billups
Stuckey/Caldwell-Pope
Caldwell-Pope/Singler
Smith/Monroe
Drummond/Monroe

I chose KCP over Singler to start at SF for defense. I chose Smith to start over Monroe for defense. Everything we do needs to be with defense in mind. Once that doesn't work we go in full tank mode and Move Monroe for a defensive SF and draft Marcus Smart to be our new PG. We can then look to dump Jennings in the offseason or use him as a super sub. Hopefully Smith gets it together at PF. Whatever we do, SOME changes need to be made if Cheeks wants to turn this season around. I'm personally ready to tank though.

Personally I think the biggest problem on defense is Jennings. When he constantly allows guard penetration it forces everyone into help defense. Usually leaving wide opens 3s. The defensive breakdown starts with him and then everything collapses.