Two Possible Landing Spots for JSmoove

Piston Pete · Post #1 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:55 am

1) Phoenix

The Suns have already made it known that they will offer a pick for established talent and they have Okafor's large expiring contract to dangle as well.

Smith for Okafor and a pick

They become:

PF - Smith / Frye / Morris
C - Plumlee / Frye / Len

2) Boston

This option is if they can convince Rondo to stay there long-term by acquiring his close friend, Smith. The C's have KHump and his large expiring contract to offer.

Smith for KHump and a pick

They become:

Rondo / Bayless / Pressey
Bradley / Bogans
Green / Wallace
Smith / Bass
Sullinger / Olynyk / Faverani

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:57 am

I honestly think we are stuck with him for 4 years. Nobody is going to want him and those are trades a new GM would do not Dumars because he would think Hes getting ripped off.

DBC10 · Post #3 » by **DBC10** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:58 am

I'll do Smoove for Humphries straight up at this point.

And I'm sure with Rondo and Brad Stevens, Smith can be that near all-star talent that he is destined to be. I'm serious too.

Mr. Krabs · Post #4 » by **Mr. Krabs** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:59 am

Trade him for Gerald Wallace and a protected pick.

HeroicKennedy · Post #5 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:07 am

Houston:

Asik/Filler for Smith.

momed11 · Post #6 » by **momed11** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:12 am

MotownMadness wrote:I honestly think we are stuck with him for 4 years. Nobody is going to want him and those are trades a new GM would do not Dumars because he would think Hes getting ripped off.

Sadly this is truth. Maybe 3 years - he'll be coveted as an expiring and/or a piece that can push a desperate contender over the top. Key words desperate contender aka this years nets but whoever is in that boat in 3 years time.

Clarity · Post #7 » by **Clarity** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:13 am

MotownMadness wrote:I honestly think we are stuck with him for 4 years. Nobody is going to want him and those are trades a new GM would do not Dumars because he would think Hes getting ripped off.

This is virtually guaranteed.

momed11 · Post #8 » by **momed11** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:25 am

Could we amnesty him? 40.5 million is chump change to a billionaire, especially when your going to lose that much anyways while fielding this putrid mess some call an nba franchise.

Natopher · Post #9 » by **Natopher** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:32 am

The Amnesty is no longer an option for us on any player except for Villanueva. You can only amnesty a player that your team signed before the lockout. And if we would rather trade BG and a 1st for an expiring rather than amnesty him, I'm pretty sure 40.5 million isn't chump change.

HeroicKennedy · Post #10 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:34 am

momed11 wrote:Could we amnesty him? 40.5 million is chump change to a billionaire, especially when your going to lose that much anyways while fielding this putrid mess some call an nba franchise.

Amnesty was only available for players signed before the last CBA agreement (before the 2011-2012 season).

Another deal is Smith/Filler for Amar'e. Amar'e is only has two years left. Even if we don't want him, you can buy him out for less than we have owed to Smith.

HeroicKennedy · Post #11 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:35 am

Natopher wrote:The Amnesty is no longer an option for us on any player except for Villanueva. You can only amnesty a player that your team signed before the lockout. And if we would rather trade BG and a 1st for an expiring rather than amnesty him, I'm pretty sure 40.5 million isn't chump change.

We lost the ability to amnesty Villanueva. It had to be done before July 1st in 2013, I believe.

Natopher · Post #12 » by **Natopher** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:36 am

HeroicKennedy wrote:
Natopher wrote:The Amnesty is no longer an option for us on any player except for Villanueva. You can only amnesty a player that your team signed before the lockout. And if we would rather trade BG and a 1st for an expiring rather than amnesty him, I'm pretty sure 40.5 million isn't chump change.

We lost the ability to amnesty Villanueva. It had to be done before July 1st in 2013, I believe.

Oh yeah, I think you're right. So yeah, we can't amnesty anyone now. If only we'd used it on BG, or Villanueva and kept BG, we'd still have our pick...

HeroicKennedy · Post #13 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:40 am

Natopher wrote:
HeroicKennedy wrote:
Natopher wrote:The Amnesty is no longer an option for us on any player except for Villanueva. You can only amnesty a player that your team signed before the lockout. And if we would rather trade BG and a 1st for an expiring rather than amnesty him, I'm pretty sure 40.5 million isn't chump change.

We lost the ability to amnesty Villanueva. It had to be done before July 1st in 2013, I believe.

Oh yeah, I think you're right. So yeah, we can't amnesty anyone now. If only we'd used it on BG, or Villanueva and kept BG, we'd still have our pick...

See, as much as I disliked the BG/1st for Maggette trade, I thought the plan was to trade Gordon and amnesty Villanueva. When it became clear that Villanueva wasn't going to get amnestied, it made the Gordon trade completely pointless.

Natopher · Post #14 » by **Natopher** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:54 am

HeroicKennedy wrote:
Natopher wrote:
HeroicKennedy wrote:
We lost the ability to amnesty Villanueva. It had to be done before July 1st in 2013, I believe.

Oh yeah, I think you're right. So yeah, we can't amnesty anyone now. If only we'd used it on BG, or Villanueva and kept BG, we'd still have our pick...

See, as much as I disliked the BG/1st for Maggette trade, I thought the plan was to trade Gordon and amnesty Villanueva. When it became clear that Villanueva wasn't going to get amnestied, it made the Gordon trade completely pointless.

It's all about the money. Our owner might say he wants to win, but he cares more about his pocketbook.

HeroicKennedy · Post #15 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:58 am

Natopher wrote:
HeroicKennedy wrote:
Natopher wrote:Oh yeah, I think you're right. So yeah, we can't amnesty anyone now. If only we'd used it on BG, or Villanueva and kept BG, we'd still have our pick...

See, as much as I disliked the BG/1st for Maggette trade, I thought the plan was to trade Gordon and amnesty Villanueva. When it became clear that Villanueva wasn't going to get amnestied, it made the Gordon trade completely pointless.

It's all about the money. Our owner might say he wants to win, but he cares more about his pocketbook.

I don't think it's a money issue. Gores dump a lot of money into Palace renovations when he took over the team.

I think the more likely scenario is that the Pistons (i.e. Dumars) just didn't consider it.

Natopher · Post #16 » by **Natopher** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:06 am

HeroicKennedy wrote:
Natopher wrote:
HeroicKennedy wrote:
See, as much as I disliked the BG/1st for Maggette trade, I thought the plan was to trade Gordon and amnesty Villanueva. When it became clear that Villanueva wasn't going to get amnestied, it made the Gordon trade completely pointless.

It's all about the money. Our owner might say he wants to win, but he cares more about his pocketbook.

I don't think it's a money issue. Gores dump a lot of money into Palace renovations when he took over the team.

I think the more likely scenario is that the Pistons (i.e. Dumars) just didn't consider it.

I had forgotten about the renovations. I find it hard to believe they forgot about the amnesty. The fact that they didn't use it is very annoying. Hell, they should've done it this year on Villanueva. Then they could've signed Jennings without trading Knight and Middleton.

HeroicKennedy · Post #17 » by **HeroicKennedy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:10 am

Natopher wrote:
HeroicKennedy wrote:
Natopher wrote:It's all about the money. Our owner might say he wants to win, but he cares more about his pocketbook.

I don't think it's a money issue. Gores dump a lot of money into Palace renovations when he took over the team.

I think the more likely scenario is that the Pistons (i.e. Dumars) just didn't consider it.

I had forgotten about the renovations. I find it hard to believe they forgot about the amnesty. The fact that they didn't use it is very annoying. Hell, they should've done it this year on Villanueva. Then they could've signed Jennings without trading Knight and Middleton.

I can believe it. Dumars has made so many questionable moves in the past half decade that them simply not even thinking of doing it seems very, very possible.

DocRI · Post #18 » by **DocRI** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:16 am

Natopher wrote:It's all about the money. Our owner might say he wants to win, but he cares more about his pocketbook.

Truthfully, good owners care about both. Dolan has spent like a drunken sailor on shore leave in NY and it's gotten that franchise nowhere. On the other hand (surprise! surprise!), San Antonio has spent money, but done so wisely and judiciously over the years and they're the model of how a winning franchise should be run from the top down.

Piston Pete wrote:Smith for Okafor and a pick

Would do it in a heartbeat, especially if it was the best of their four picks (hell, I'd probably even take the 2nd or 3rd best, especially if we could up the deal to include one of the Morris twins).

Piston Pete wrote:Smith for KHump and a pick

As I mentioned in another thread, if the rumor of Jeff Green being available to anyone willing to swallow Gerald Wallace is true, I'd prefer Smith & CV for Green & Wallace (not to start another Jeff Green debate!). I'd still do KHump & a pick, but dumping Smith while acquiring Green seems like a win-win to me.

wire28 · Post #19 » by **wire28** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:20 am

The 54 million dollar man is about to break the record for worst 3point %. There is 8.5 years of film on him that shows exactly how stupid this man is when it comes to basketball. I do not expect anyone to bless us fans and the pistons franchise without us giving up several more pieces in addition to josh.

Therefore I do not see him being traded, atleast this year. If I'm proven wrong I'll be estatic. But sadly I don't think any GM will be looking to help Joe D out. Joe made his bed , now us pistons fans have to sleep in it.

Piston Pete · Post #20 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:57 am

So that's it....

Brooklyn (KHump's big expiring and wanting to win now)
Phoenix (want to win now, have expressed making a pick available)
Boston (Rondo's friend)
Houston (Dwight's friend)

Maybe Washington....but they aren't good trading partners for us. They have no big salaries to give us except Nene. Although I would do Smith/Jerebko for Nene/Webster.